All Things 2025 Minnesota Timberwolves Off-Season Thread

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jamiche said:
They were always going to stay under the second apron, which makes sense. Asking ATL for an additional 2nd round pick, even post 2030 was achievable. Second round picks get tossed around like candy in the NBA. This was the second cash considerations deal in a week. Not a good look.
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2nd round draft picks do get tossed around like candy and they are virtually meaningless. So who cares? Every 2nd round pick this year was traded except for 4 of them. They can pick up 2nd rounders at anytime.

Just because you've been so wrong about Lore and ARod about becoming owners of this franchise for years because you didn't think they had the money, you think it's a bad look. Give it up.
 


Slim Tubby said:
Not much for buzz about the Wolves around the league. Purely a guess but with MEM buying out Cole Anthony, he seems like a viable option for PG depth and my favorite target.

The options at C are even worse. I was hoping we could somehow afford Yabusele but he just signed with the Knicks. Mo Wagner would be a nice C/F but appears to be resigning with ORL.

When C's like Garza don't last 24 hours on the open market, you know the options are pretty lean. It's highly unlikely but maybe Beringer's defense is evolved enough to give us 10-12 minutes a night right away.
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Why would we need another C when we are replacing Garza, who only played in scrub time, with two 7ft+ rookies? We don’t need either of them to give us 10-12 minutes per night.
 

GopherWeatherGuy said:
Why would we need another C when we are replacing Garza, who only played in scrub time, with two 7ft+ rookies? We don’t need either of them to give us 10-12 minutes per night.
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And if neither rookie comes over this year? Neither rookie proves even remotely close to being ready? Gobert gets injured?

You're comfortable with our current C depth. Noted. I'm not...and playing Randle or Reid there is the equivalent of playing DDV at PG.
 

Slim Tubby said:
And if neither rookie comes over this year? Neither rookie proves even remotely close to being ready? Gobert gets injured?

You're comfortable with our current C depth. Noted. I'm not...and playing Randle or Reid there is the equivalent of playing DDV at PG.
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Randle missed 13 games and Rudy missed 10 last year, with a few of those overlapping, and Garza still played sparingly. The Wolves just went more small ball with TSJ, Clark, and Rob and it worked pretty well, especially against OKC.

The plan right now is for Beringer to be on the roster. Jaden also plays the 4 in smaller lineups.
 


Because they can pick up second rounders at anytime, they should have picked up an additional second rounder this time.

Since they are such solid NBA owners why would they value a couple of million bucks over another player asset? Why was it so important for them to do that twice in one week?

Crazy as it sounds NBA controlling ownership money starts at $5-10B and these guys aren't even close. Apparently, Bloomberg and Schmidt are just limiteds which means they don't have a say over anything unless Lore/ARod violate their fiduciary obligations, which is hard to prove.

The reason these guys are NBA owners is their lawyers crafted a tightly worded clause that bought them an extra 45 days beyond the deadline to finish raising the money as long as their docs were submitted to the league. It was on that basis that they won the arbitration.

They are a thousand times better at marketing the team and themselves than Taylor ever could or would be. We should trust these guys as much as the folks in Seattle trusted Clay Bennett.
 

Does Josh Giddey want to come here and win? He'd have to take less than he's worth, but the Wolves would win big with him.
 

TruthSeeker said:
Does Josh Giddey want to come here and win? He'd have to take less than he's worth, but the Wolves would win big with him.
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I iike Giddey, but the book on him is Defense sucks. Can’t say I’ve evaluated enough to echo that comment. I think he sure woud be fun see here.
 

Wolves involved in a 7 team deal that involves KD, but not to Minnesota. Appears KD is headed to Houston.

Can’t find any details yet.
 





GopherWeatherGuy said:
Randle missed 13 games and Rudy missed 10 last year, with a few of those overlapping, and Garza still played sparingly. The Wolves just went more small ball with TSJ, Clark, and Rob and it worked pretty well, especially against OKC.

The plan right now is for Beringer to be on the roster. Jaden also plays the 4 in smaller lineups.
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All of the things you said, and Leonard Miller is also a 4. Essentially, Leonard Miller is stepping into Garza's shoes. They are close to the same size, neither can really ply much 5.
 

Ski U Mah Gopher said:
How were the Timberwolves able to have a press conference with Rocco before today?
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I can't answer your question, but they have insane rules in the NBA.

They couldn't officially put him on the summer league roster but they could discuss him playing for our summer league team.
 



atsgopher said:
I iike Giddey, but the book on him is Defense sucks. Can’t say I’ve evaluated enough to echo that comment. I think he sure woud be fun see here.
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Yeah, I have to think he'd have better options. If we could make the room and stay under the 2nd apron, it's a no brainer.
 

Chet gets his rookie max deal as expected. whole band can stay together for one more then its going to get real interesting as they need to figure out Williams, Dort, and Hartenstein with the collective cap of SGA, Chet, and Caruso already totaling 100mil. 2nd apron rules definitely working
 

upnorthkid said:
Chet gets his rookie max deal as expected. whole band can stay together for one more then its going to get real interesting as they need to figure out Williams, Dort, and Hartenstein with the collective cap of SGA, Chet, and Caruso already totaling 100mil. 2nd apron rules definitely working
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Bad move by OKC. Much worse than giving KAT the max.
 

GopherWeatherGuy said:
Bad move by OKC. Much worse than giving KAT the max.
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imo hard to call it a "bad" move for a guy with one of the best contest rates at the rim (He would've been #2-3 in blocks/gm and contested 93% of shots he was closest defender for) who is 7'1", can dribble, and can shoot 3s at an almost 40% clip and is only getting better. Think injuries/fragility would be my only concern. You'll need to protect him with someone who can bang, but you also need someone who can matchup with Wemby long term and there are only going to be a few guys who can. I think Chet seems cool with playing 2nd fiddle/role player on offense which makes him fit really well with Williams and SGA.
Tough part is it will murder OKC in terms of keeping their depth, the same as any team with having 2-3 max players. Think this may end up being the way in the future of getting 1 mega star and then surrounding them with middle-high tier role players who can come at you in waves on more friendly contracts.
 

upnorthkid said:
imo hard to call it a "bad" move for a guy with one of the best contest rates at the rim (He would've been #2-3 in blocks/gm and contested 93% of shots he was closest defender for) who is 7'1", can dribble, and can shoot 3s at an almost 40% clip and is only getting better. Think injuries/fragility would be my only concern. You'll need to protect him with someone who can bang, but you also need someone who can matchup with Wemby long term and there are only going to be a few guys who can. I think Chet seems cool with playing 2nd fiddle/role player on offense which makes him fit really well with Williams and SGA.
Tough part is it will murder OKC in terms of keeping their depth, the same as any team with having 2-3 max players. Think this may end up being the way in the future of getting 1 mega star and then surrounding them with middle-high tier role players who can come at you in waves on more friendly contracts.
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You can't have 3 max players with the apron rules. They will have zero depth. I know Chet is young and brings plenty to the table, but he's not a max player IMO. So which two do you keep long term out of SGA, Williams, and Chet? I think that answer is easy. OKC will now be in a worse situation with Chet than the Wolves were with KAT in 2 years. Unless they are really going to move Williams.

Either way, the future just got a lot less bright in OKC beyond next season.
 

GopherWeatherGuy said:
You can't have 3 max players with the apron rules. They will have zero depth. I know Chet is young and brings plenty to the table, but he's not a max player IMO. So which two do you keep long term out of SGA, Williams, and Chet? I think that answer is easy. OKC will now be in a worse situation with Chet than the Wolves were with KAT in 2 years. Unless they are really going to move Williams.

Either way, the future just got a lot less bright in OKC beyond next season.
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They move Chet long before they even consider Williams IMO. Their bigger issue is if they trade Chet in a big deal for a guy like Giannis, they're still in the same Apron salary dilemma.

I wasn't a fan of the KAT trade and our return but I'm starting to understand it better as the realities of the new CBA become clearer. It has to be frustrating for a team to get penalized for acquiring and developing their own young talent.
 

GopherWeatherGuy said:
You can't have 3 max players with the apron rules. They will have zero depth. I know Chet is young and brings plenty to the table, but he's not a max player IMO. So which two do you keep long term out of SGA, Williams, and Chet? I think that answer is easy. OKC will now be in a worse situation with Chet than the Wolves were with KAT in 2 years. Unless they are really going to move Williams.

Either way, the future just got a lot less bright in OKC beyond next season.
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I totally agree with you on all of this. I think they’re saying we have a 3 year window to try win 3 titles and the rest is gravy. There will absolutely be suitors for Chet and Williams if they need to move them. They lose any of the 3 they have and that team becomes vastly less dangerous very quickly.

I would guess they’re going to give them both rookie max extensions and let the dust fall where they will with the ancillary guys how you can. It’s going to smash their depth and they’ll have to stay healthy but I don’t see how you let any of them drop. Think the real killer is you’ll lose Dort which kills your wing defense, but OKC has 6 1st round picks in the next 4 drafts to try accommodate picking up wing defenders on cheap contracts plus you’ve already won now. Worse financially but with way way better assets to try make it work
 

Slim Tubby said:
They move Chet long before they even consider Williams IMO. Their bigger issue is if they trade Chet in a big deal for a guy like Giannis, they're still in the same Apron salary dilemma.

I wasn't a fan of the KAT trade and our return but I'm starting to understand it better as the realities of the new CBA become clearer. It has to be frustrating for a team to get penalized for acquiring and developing their own young talent.
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The one poo issue is they did the 2nd apron stuff, but didn’t do anything with the max deals. They’re just grossly overpriced.

Now I don’t care so much about the player getting the money, as the further it will get them to push the SGA type rules players.

That relative skewness where the super max makes ridicoulous dollars relative to peers will convince the powers that be that those players need to be, “marketed and protected.” 800 million fouls get called for 20 guys, and 80 against them.
 



GopherWeatherGuy said:
You can't have 3 max players with the apron rules. They will have zero depth. I know Chet is young and brings plenty to the table, but he's not a max player IMO. So which two do you keep long term out of SGA, Williams, and Chet? I think that answer is easy. OKC will now be in a worse situation with Chet than the Wolves were with KAT in 2 years. Unless they are really going to move Williams.

Either way, the future just got a lot less bright in OKC beyond next season.
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Wish they had a stipulation that drafted players don't affect apron. I don't like.how teams are punished for drafting well
 


Gopher_In_NYC said:
I don’t disagree, but I will be incredibly disappointed if nothing is done to further shore up PG - if not, they could have used one of these slots on one.
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I'm still holding out hope that Cole Anthony gets bought out by MEM. He plays zero defense but can shoot a little, get to the rim and would give us another viable option at PG.

I just can't shake my concerns that the ultimate success of next year's team hinges on the play and development of Dillingham.
 

Slim Tubby said:
I'm still holding out hope that Cole Anthony gets bought out by MEM. He plays zero defense but can shoot a little, get to the rim and would give us another viable option at PG.

I just can't shake my concerns that the ultimate success of next year's team hinges on the play and development of Dillingham.
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Me either - that’s a big swing
 



atsgopher said:
The one poo issue is they did the 2nd apron stuff, but didn’t do anything with the max deals. They’re just grossly overpriced.

Now I don’t care so much about the player getting the money, as the further it will get them to push the SGA type rules players.

That relative skewness where the super max makes ridicoulous dollars relative to peers will convince the powers that be that those players need to be, “marketed and protected.” 800 million fouls get called for 20 guys, and 80 against them.
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I actually think it makes things kind of interesting and will result in fewer super teams. The second apron makes it really difficult to build super teams and the large max contracts I think properly pay the very best players while also making it more difficult to build around them.

I think it will also make teams have to draft well. You're going to need to add cheap players who can contribute.
 

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