Former Gopher Kim Royston named HC at Cretin

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Time will tell… Ben Burk from Lakeville South took the job was Announced as the CDH coach and about a week later decided to go back to LVS… Royston was not their first or second choice… he is the assistant principal there and the job fell into his lap.. hopefully it works out for him.. not sure how much HC experience he has…
 

Roland Brooks said:
Time will tell… Ben Burk from Lakeville South took the job was Announced as the CDH coach and about a week later decided to go back to LVS… Royston was not their first or second choice… he is the assistant principal there and the job fell into his lap.. hopefully it works out for him.. not sure how much HC experience he has…
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From what I have heard for weeks he was one of two finalists with Burk.

He has zero HC experience and he has very little coaching experience generally. Will be interesting.

Cretin has hired for their last 3 hires:
Brooks Bollinger
Steve Walsh
Kin Royston

It’s almost like they make their hires based on who gets them the most media play vs who has proven they’re a good HS football coach.
It has led to their program really falling off since Scanlan retired. Maybe Royston will be better. Walsh did get them to state but out of a dog crap section
 


Roland Brooks said:
Time will tell… Ben Burk from Lakeville South took the job was Announced as the CDH coach and about a week later decided to go back to LVS… Royston was not their first or second choice… he is the assistant principal there and the job fell into his lap.. hopefully it works out for him.. not sure how much HC experience he has…
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That's what hiring good assistant coaches is for. Only way to get experience is to try.
 



Some guy said:
From what I have heard for weeks he was one of two finalists with Burk.

He has zero HC experience and he has very little coaching experience generally. Will be interesting.

Cretin has hired for their last 3 hires:
Brooks Bollinger
Steve Walsh
Kin Royston

It’s almost like they make their hires based on who gets them the most media play vs who has proven they’re a good HS football coach.
It has led to their program really falling off since Scanlan retired. Maybe Royston will be better. Walsh did get them to state but out of a dog crap section
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This is more or less true, however, Bollinger was the HC at Hill Murray and then left to be the QB coach at Pitt prior to coaching at CDH.

There are a lot of reasons why CDH has fallen off. A lot of it has to do with increased competition for athletes and some other discussions that would likely derail this entire thread.

All of that said, Kim Royston makes a lot of sense to me. I wish him luck!
 

Bob_Loblaw said:
This is more or less true, however, Bollinger was the HC at Hill Murray and then left to be the QB coach at Pitt prior to coaching at CDH.

There are a lot of reasons why CDH has fallen off. A lot of it has to do with increased competition for athletes and some other discussions that would likely derail this entire thread.

All of that said, Kim Royston makes a lot of sense to me. I wish him luck!
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I kind of want to hear about the stuff that would derail this thread…
 

Roland Brooks said:
Time will tell… Ben Burk from Lakeville South took the job was Announced as the CDH coach and about a week later decided to go back to LVS… Royston was not their first or second choice… he is the assistant principal there and the job fell into his lap.. hopefully it works out for him.. not sure how much HC experience he has…
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As he is out of the Kill tree, he'll make men out of these guys.
 

Bob_Loblaw said:
This is more or less true, however, Bollinger was the HC at Hill Murray and then left to be the QB coach at Pitt prior to coaching at CDH.

There are a lot of reasons why CDH has fallen off. A lot of it has to do with increased competition for athletes and some other discussions that would likely derail this entire thread.

All of that said, Kim Royston makes a lot of sense to me. I wish him luck!
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Could be good. No reason to have any idea either way as the guy has coached like 1 season of high school football
 



Gophers1992 said:
I kind of want to hear about the stuff that would derail this thread…
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I have no idea how true any of it is, I don’t live in the area, but there are certainly members of CDH community that believe the school has shifted away from its core beliefs and that shift has resulted in losing a number of kids/coaches to other schools. I’m sure there is a part of this that is a cope for simply not being that good anymore at sports.
 

Bob_Loblaw said:
I have no idea how true any of it is, I don’t live in the area, but there are certainly members of CDH community that believe the school has shifted away from its core beliefs and that shift has resulted in losing a number of kids/coaches to other schools. I’m sure there is a part of this that is a cope for simply not being that good anymore at sports.
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They've been better than ever of late in most sports except football. But more competition for elite athletes is by far the biggest factor in the football program being down.
 

They definitely aren’t churning out major talent like they used to. Went from multiple P4 type guys a year to not really having one in like a decade. Cornell was the last one I can think of.
 


Roland Brooks said:
Time will tell… Ben Burk from Lakeville South took the job was Announced as the CDH coach and about a week later decided to go back to LVS… Royston was not their first or second choice… he is the assistant principal there and the job fell into his lap.. hopefully it works out for him.. not sure how much HC experience he has…
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I am so intrigued by this decision. Does anyone know why he decided not to go to CDH? Who was interested in the Lakeville South position?

My limited sources in Lakeville say that he has been looking at moving into administration for a while and CDH was the best position to do both - admin and head football coach.
 

MNfootballfan said:
I am so intrigued by this decision. Does anyone know why he decided not to go to CDH? Who was interested in the Lakeville South position?

My limited sources in Lakeville say that he has been looking at moving into administration for a while and CDH was the best position to do both - admin and head football coach.
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The two most logical reasons are:
1) buyers remorse - he simply changed his mind once it went public and was able to walk it back
Or
2) the money that was discussed didn’t match the money that was on paper. I think a lot of times people assume the Catholic schools pay much better than they actually do


As far as who was interested in the south position, the position came and went too soon for the rumor mill to really get started. I heard a couple of names but not really sure I believe them.
 

Some guy said:
The two most logical reasons are:
1) buyers remorse - he simply changed his mind once it went public and was able to walk it back
Or
2) the money that was discussed didn’t match the money that was on paper. I think a lot of times people assume the Catholic schools pay much better than they actually do


As far as who was interested in the south position, the position came and went too soon for the rumor mill to really get started. I heard a couple of names but not really sure I believe them.
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From what I understand, Cretin tries to make the school affordable. Not sure this impacts a coaches salary.

Out of left field. I wonder if some dollars that may have gone to Cretin are now going to the University of St. Thomas. The step up to division one has to be expensive. With that said, I wonder how much overlap there is with supporters. Not sure if tuition/ support from the church covers all athletic department expenses at Cretin.
 

Question for the board. Does Cretin still pull athletes many/ any from Minneapolis and St. Paul? It's been a while since I've followed Minneapolis and St. Paul city conferences. At one time Cretin, Hill-Murray, and St. Thomas used to be able to cherry pick players.

Not sure those areas produce many top players anymore. BTW I am mostly thinking football.
 

STPGopher said:
Question for the board. Does Cretin still pull athletes many/ any from Minneapolis and St. Paul? It's been a while since I've followed Minneapolis and St. Paul city conferences. At one time Cretin, Hill-Murray, and St. Thomas used to be able to cherry pick players.

Not sure those areas produce many top players anymore. BTW I am mostly thinking football.
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Yeah, the majority of the students are still Mpls/Saint Paul. But it's not like it was (from my understanding). The local Catholic grade schools were a feeder system and then Cretin would pull from the local youth programs. There is also the fact that Saint Paul has just changed a bit - like most cities. There are fewer true middle class households - the neighborhoods are more polarized in terms of wealth/backgrounds/etc., so the core of Cretin has also changed - moved out to the burbs.
 

Bob_Loblaw said:
I have no idea how true any of it is, I don’t live in the area, but there are certainly members of CDH community that believe the school has shifted away from its core beliefs and that shift has resulted in losing a number of kids/coaches to other schools. I’m sure there is a part of this that is a cope for simply not being that good anymore at sports.
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A lot of kids now open enroll to Eagan instead of paying to go to CDH
 

Bob_Loblaw said:
Yeah, the majority of the students are still Mpls/Saint Paul. But it's not like it was (from my understanding). The local Catholic grade schools were a feeder system and then Cretin would pull from the local youth programs. There is also the fact that Saint Paul has just changed a bit - like most cities. There are fewer true middle class households - the neighborhoods are more polarized in terms of wealth/backgrounds/etc., so the core of Cretin has also changed - moved out to the burbs.
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Yes. St. Marks, Nativity, St. Columba, St. Peter Claver, and others I missed. I didn't name St. Agnes, nor St. Bernards (No longer has a school?) because they were/ are k-12 schools. I am sure there are others in St. Paul that I missed. I assume De LaSalle gets many of the Minneapolis athletes?
 

Bob_Loblaw said:
Yeah, the majority of the students are still Mpls/Saint Paul. But it's not like it was (from my understanding). The local Catholic grade schools were a feeder system and then Cretin would pull from the local youth programs. There is also the fact that Saint Paul has just changed a bit - like most cities. There are fewer true middle class households - the neighborhoods are more polarized in terms of wealth/backgrounds/etc., so the core of Cretin has also changed - moved out to the burbs.
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I think this is the biggest difference.
And the people from the burbs like new shiny STA more

Just hard to do football because it is such a numbers game
Still really good at other sports though
 

STPGopher said:
Yes. St. Marks, Nativity, St. Columba, St. Peter Claver, and others I missed. I didn't name St. Agnes, nor St. Bernards (No longer has a school?) because they were/ are k-12 schools. I am sure there are others in St. Paul that I missed. I assume De LaSalle gets many of the Minneapolis athletes?
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I don't know how true this is, but I think DeLaSalle is somewhat similar to Cretin now. DeLaSalle used to pull a lot of the Catholic kids out of the traditionally Polish neighborhoods in North / NE / St. Anthony. But by the late 80s / mid-90s, the demographics had changed and those families went out to the burbs. So then DeLaSalle was less connected to a deeply Catholic base - it was more of a private school that happened to be Catholic. I think the exact same thing has now happened to Cretin (just 10-15 years later).

These are all just generalities and I have no idea how true they are. I read a couple weeks ago that like 65% of Cretin went to a Catholic grade school - that number seems much lighter than it was when I was in HS. But I don't know if that was just my perception.
 

STPGopher said:
Yes. St. Marks, Nativity, St. Columba, St. Peter Claver, and others I missed. I didn't name St. Agnes, nor St. Bernards (No longer has a school?) because they were/ are k-12 schools. I am sure there are others in St. Paul that I missed. I assume De LaSalle gets many of the Minneapolis athletes?
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Basically every Catholic high school inside 494 is worse at football than they were in 2012

Except STA, and STA is literally on 494
 

Some guy said:
I think this is the biggest difference.
And the people from the burbs like new shiny STA more

Just hard to do football because it is such a numbers game
Still really good at other sports though
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Things have definitely changed. There was a time when both Cretin and St. Thomas Academy could line up over 100 players. Yes some of them were underclassmen who would only see the field in a extreme emergency (injuries), but it was still impressive to see them line up. Especially homecoming. Sometimes they'd do a 21gun salute.

Impressive.
 

Some guy said:
Basically every Catholic high school inside 494 is worse at football than they were in 2012

Except STA, and STA is literally on 494
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TG just north of 694 fits that too.
 


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