Yikes.....Georgia's Jalen Carter in big time trouble.

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Yeah, I would guess his draft stock will take a definite dive.

According to the report he left the scene and returned a few hours later and then gave a few different stories. Will be interesting to see how all this plays with NFL teams considering he was the potential top pick in the draft.
 

Devin Willock, an offensive lineman for the Bulldogs, and recruiting staff member Chandler LeCroy were killed in what police initially reported as a single-vehicle accident.
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Da fuq was a team staff member doing there?!?!?!?
 





Oh wow, I didn't realize initially that it was from the accident in January. Thought it was a different situation.
 


MNVCGUY said:
Yeah, I would guess his draft stock will take a definite dive.
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I wouldn't go that far. Neither charge is a felony. He'll most likely be forced to tell the truth, get changed with something simpler than what he's currently charged with, plead guilty in exchange for community service, and it'll be a nothing-burger in terms of his career.
 



GopherTheJugular said:
I wouldn't go that far. Neither charge is a felony. He'll most likely be forced to tell the truth, get changed with something simpler than what he's currently charged with, plead guilty in exchange for community service, and it'll be a nothing-burger in terms of his career.
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I don't think it will, but it could get dicey for him. I think he'll do jail time because he could be facing manslaughter charges (death in commission of misdemeanor).

If I had to bet, he'll do some jail time (~60 days or something) in a plea deal.

But I could see it going the other way too.
 

Bob_Loblaw said:
I don't think it will, but it could get dicey for him. I think he'll do jail time because he could be facing manslaughter charges (death in commission of misdemeanor).

If I had to bet, he'll do some jail time (~60 days or something) in a plea deal.

But I could see it going the other way too.
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I’d bet there will be a plea with absolutely no jail time. My spouse has been in law for 25 years and there’s been a general trend in things recently. This is Georgia but I still think no jail time.
 

GopherTheJugular said:
I wouldn't go that far. Neither charge is a felony. He'll most likely be forced to tell the truth, get changed with something simpler than what he's currently charged with, plead guilty in exchange for community service, and it'll be a nothing-burger in terms of his career.
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Don't get me wrong....I have no doubt he will still be a high draft pick. But this could knock him down some in the first round and if there is the prospect of some jail time or any other red flags that come up during interviews it could end up costing him millions.

See it all the time where character issues end up knocking a player down some in the draft. Randy Moss was a classic example that worked out great for the Vikings.
 

Bob_Loblaw said:
I don't think it will, but it could get dicey for him. I think he'll do jail time because he could be facing manslaughter charges (death in commission of misdemeanor).

If I had to bet, he'll do some jail time (~60 days or something) in a plea deal.

But I could see it going the other way too.
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I know you're a lawyer and I'm not, but regarding the bolded, his misdemeanor didn't cause any death. The driver of the other vehicle, the female staffer, is the one who committed a misdemeanor that resulted in death.

Your rebuttal, counsel. ; - )
 



MNVCGUY said:
Don't get me wrong....I have no doubt he will still be a high draft pick. But this could knock him down some in the first round and if there is the prospect of some jail time or any other red flags that come up during interviews it could end up costing him millions.

See it all the time where character issues end up knocking a player down some in the draft. Randy Moss was a classic example that worked out great for the Vikings.
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Good point regarding Moss, but two things:
1. Moss might be the proof to ignore such concerns, lol
2. Smoking weed vs. racing cars. I think if someone is smoking weed in college, they are likely to continue, so you factor in possible suspensions. I doubt Jalen Carter ever races cars at 100+ mph ever again.

But then again, that Raiders WR from Alabama might still be in people's minds.
 

GopherTheJugular said:
I know you're a lawyer and I'm not, but regarding the bolded, his misdemeanor didn't cause any death. The driver of the other vehicle, the female staffer, is the one who committed a misdemeanor that resulted in death.

Your rebuttal, counsel. ; - )
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Yeah, that will likely be his argument but the truth is that they are in a conspiracy to commit a crime. This was, unlikely, not two independent crimes. A race requires multiple participants in other cars or this would simply be speeding.

The people in the various cars decided together to race one another on the streets of Georgia and that decision to commit the crime of street racing, resulted in a death.


As an FYI, there is a famous case for just how little sympathy courts (traditionally) have for people committing crimes where two people went to rob a liquor store. They did not even have a gun but they pretended to have a gun (object in pocket or something) and the clerk pulled out his gun and shot one of the assailants.

The other assailant was charged with murder in the commission of a felony.
 

MNVCGUY said:
Don't get me wrong....I have no doubt he will still be a high draft pick. But this could knock him down some in the first round and if there is the prospect of some jail time or any other red flags that come up during interviews it could end up costing him millions.

See it all the time where character issues end up knocking a player down some in the draft. Randy Moss was a classic example that worked out great for the Vikings.
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www.cbssports.com

NFL Mock Draft 2023: Anthony Richardson goes No. 1 after dust settles from QB chaos; Jalen Carter falls

Several QBs land in new places in this mock
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cheeseheadgophfan said:
www.espn.com

Jalen Carter, top NFL draft prospect, charged with racing in fatal crash

Former Georgia star Jalen Carter, one of the top prospects in next month's NFL draft, has been charged with reckless driving and racing in conjunction with the crash that killed a teammate and a recruiting staff member.
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Yikes! The ripple effect of one bad decision.

There could be a whole essay on good/ positive team culture and the importance of making good decisions. Whether we think "Row the boat" is corny or not, situations like this prove that it matters.
 


Bob_Loblaw said:
Yeah, that will likely be his argument but the truth is that they are in a conspiracy to commit a crime. This was, unlikely, not two independent crimes. A race requires multiple participants in other cars or this would simply be speeding.

The people in the various cars decided together to race one another on the streets of Georgia and that decision to commit the crime of street racing, resulted in a death.


As an FYI, there is a famous case for just how little sympathy courts (traditionally) have for people committing crimes where two people went to rob a liquor store. They did not even have a gun but they pretended to have a gun (object in pocket or something) and the clerk pulled out his gun and shot one of the assailants.

The other assailant was charged with murder in the commission of a felony.
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I think his BIG mistake was admitting he was next to the car. Initially he said he was a mile away. Had he stuck to that, wouldn't it be an awful lot of work for prosecutors to prove otherwise, and would they do it over a misdemeanor charge?

I read the cops figured other people were involved so they looked at some business' surveillance tape. It'd be awful tough to discern who's face it is behind the wheel at that time of night.

Should've kept his mouth shut.
 

GopherTheJugular said:
I think his BIG mistake was admitting he was next to the car. Initially he said he was a mile away. Had he stuck to that, wouldn't it be an awful lot of work for prosecutors to prove otherwise, and would they do it over a misdemeanor charge?

I read the cops figured other people were involved so they looked at some business' surveillance tape. It'd be awful tough to discern who's face it is behind the wheel at that time of night.

Should've kept his mouth shut.
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Or some people have morals and integrity and want to do the right thing, even when they’re in the wrong so maybe that’s why he came clean
 


GopherFanatic19 said:
Or some people have morals and integrity and want to do the right thing, even when they’re in the wrong so maybe that’s why he came clean
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I doubt it, as his twitter says he plans to be "full exonerated". I think he just succumbed to police questioning, like most people do.

Plus, it would take a TON of "morals and integrity" to come clean about something like this when you know how much it could hurt you personally and knowing you didn't even cause a crash, someone else did, and you're just in the mess because of the technicalities of the legal system that Bob Loblaw pointed out to me above.

Would you sacrifice your place of employment and earning potential to admit your involvement in something like this, if shoes were on other foot?
 

GopherTheJugular said:
I think his BIG mistake was admitting he was next to the car. Initially he said he was a mile away. Had he stuck to that, wouldn't it be an awful lot of work for prosecutors to prove otherwise, and would they do it over a misdemeanor charge?

I read the cops figured other people were involved so they looked at some business' surveillance tape. It'd be awful tough to discern who's face it is behind the wheel at that time of night.

Should've kept his mouth shut.
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Video would probably be able to show it's his vehicle though.
 


GophersInIowa said:
Video would probably be able to show it's his vehicle though.
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So? He doesn't have to prove he wasn't driving, the state has to prove he was. Video shot outside, in the dark, most likely not straight on, it'd be next to impossible to figure out who was behind the wheel.
 

GopherTheJugular said:
I think his BIG mistake was admitting he was next to the car. Initially he said he was a mile away. Had he stuck to that, wouldn't it be an awful lot of work for prosecutors to prove otherwise, and would they do it over a misdemeanor charge?

I read the cops figured other people were involved so they looked at some business' surveillance tape. It'd be awful tough to discern who's face it is behind the wheel at that time of night.

Should've kept his mouth shut.
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Always keep your mouth shut in that situation.
 

HitMeAgainIAmStillMoving said:
He left because his BAC was too high. Let's not pretend we are shocked. It worked for Amy Senser.
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Did it? She was convicted and sent to prison, no? I suppose she didn't get convicted of being drunk, not sure how more more time she would have gotten though.

Plus, you are just guessing. He could have had a BAC of 0.03, not be drunk, but just chose to not take risk of being tested.
 


Bob_Loblaw said:
Always keep your mouth shut in that situation.
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His lawyer must be yanking his hair out..."if only my client would have kept his mouth shut!!!"

(If there are any "The Wire" fans here, picture the scene where D'Angelo Barksdale is writing something when Levy comes into the room....)
 


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