Press conference — lawyers speak, teammates stand in support. Pulling the race card... This could get explosive for UW if the race angle takes hold although the hierarchy favors women over black men...The Wisconsinites don’t seem familiar with “The Process” not requiring the same level of proof or lack of similar due process to a criminal or civil trial, respectively. They may also underestimate administration’s sympathies for the EOAA and digging in the heels.circling the wagons for national PR purposes in the era of MeToo. Pass some popcorn.
https://www.channel3000.com/content...petition-to-readmit-quintez-cephus/1108493243
"Players like this" meaning players who put themselves in a situation where they can be accused of these things.
You need to keep yourself out of trouble these days,especially with people you don't know. And you can't be caught alone with someone who is female or in a lower stature of power than you.
It's just not safe. This has been established.
Doesn’t matter if he didn’t commit a crime.
The university has every right to expel any student for violating the code of conduct at any time.
Your advice is never be alone with a girl. You should tour campuses preaching this.
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We’d have a long discussion about the life choices he made that led to the events of that night. Probably, he wasn’t a perfect angel.
Very, very unlikely some woman that he’s never met in his life randomly lashes out at someone with a false accusation. Also, if there is literally no proof of anything and no one is willing to testify at all, including the accuser, then it’s very likely the school wouldn’t take action.
Close.
Never be alone with a girl you don't know well that isn't a public place. Library, fine. Restaurant, fine. 2:00 AM after a party after both were drinking... could be problems that stem from that, especially if you and the girl haven't known each other very long.
Really? This is the 'New Normal'?
Isn't there a better way? Like, oh... I dunno... due process?! The rights of the accused, to face his (or her!) accuser? The right to a fair trial? Innocent until proved...
... oh, blah, blah, blah. Never mind. I'm a creature of the past. 'Back in the day, when we had rights...' It's a Brave New World.
It should.
You must be totally unplugged from society, or live in an alternate universe.
Both.
Campus?
Absurd. The burdens of proof are completely different, as is correct for the completely different consequences.
If your hypothesis were correct, it would’ve been tried in court by now. That it hasn’t, is telling.
I wish people would quite responding to, and quoting G4L. It sort of wrecks the work I have done to ignore-list him and his habit of filling up every discussion with dozens of responses. For me, I can't think of another person over the years that has done more to drag down GH discussions so consistently. I've got other people I have ignore-listed but none have had the prolific, consistent ability to infect nearly every discussion, and then revisit every discussion to continue to drag them down over and over again.
"Players like this" meaning players who put themselves in a situation where they can be accused of these things.
You need to keep yourself out of trouble these days,especially with people you don't know. And you can't be caught alone with someone who is female or in a lower stature of power than you.
It's just not safe. This has been established.
There might be a better way, but you really have to be aware these days of your surroundings. Change might come, but it would sure help these single-men in their case if these reports came out and there defense could be "Well, we dated for 6 months, or we dated for 6 weeks, or we've been on 6 dates and things seemed to be going well. You know, like it was an actual relationship at that point. Then it would be more of a domestic case of whether there was abuse and when it started. But without any history to put in into context, the worse is assumed and it's hard to defend with or without witnesses if a girl says she's raped. In years past, the burden was put on the victim to prove it, but with it being a traumatic event, it's probably good that they don't have to endure more embarrassment and pain to have to make a case.
In the end, this is probably better and men (or boys) need to start to act as such.
It can be a real trap for men, and that's why it's better for them to get to know these girls so they can better assess whether it's a trap or not.
I would bet that inside the Gopher football meetings, PJ is having conversations to this point about these men being aware of their surroundings.
I wish people would quite responding to, and quoting G4L. It sort of wrecks the work I have done to ignore-list him and his habit of filling up every discussion with dozens of responses. For me, I can't think of another person over the years that has done more to drag down GH discussions so consistently. I've got other people I have ignore-listed but none have had the prolific, consistent ability to infect nearly every discussion, and then revisit every discussion to continue to drag them down over and over again.
Again, stupidity. Saying you did this or that doesn't really make it less likely someone was assaulted. Have you heard the stats about how its often someone a victim knows? And then you go into something about a domestic case? No buddy, sexual assault wouldn't be a domestic abuse case, its sexual assault.
Do you feel women are unable to make their own choices? Are you a feminist because I bet you would say you are? Women can make choices about the situations they put themselves in too, but I don't expect them to change if they don't want to because it is their right.
The worse is assumed because of people like you who give into illogical and loud pitchfork nation.
Yeah we should let anybody accuse and choose the outcome of someone who is accused because of the difficulty that comes with making that allegation? Ha, no way.
Probably my biggest issue is that you feel that men are being targeted? Lol. Women are way more likely to experience sexual assault. What about the women being targeted by men when they are drunk? Is that not predatory?
For the record, I think its sad how often people are held accountable, but I am not going to lie and say that I have some better idea that balances the rights of the accused and the accuser. I don't get what else Cephus' could have done to clear his name in this case. Does UW know more than the courts? No they have the same facts and are choosing to punish based on an allegation that wasn't upheld, although against a different standard. What would his code of conduct violations be? Can you or G4L help me with that or are you just going to whine instead of actually making your point and having a discussion for everyone to better understand?
You are drawing a lot of conclusions here and I don't understand your line of thinking to analyze whether you might be on the right path or not.
I think I agree with some of what you are saying in that women do get targeted more than men.
I don't know what happened in the Cephus situation to give you any answers on that.
I also have a problem with this whole you were accused of something so now we are going to levy consequences/murkiness around you to prevent you from actually fully participating in society.
Accusers almost never gain anything from coming forward, and more likely lose something in the process (at the very least, stress and emotional pain in having to recall the incident and the impact it had on them).
That’s why they are to be believed, and not silenced.
This is a concept that many here struggle with mightily.
The idea of false accusations is a red herring. It doesn’t happen nearly enough (or really much at all) to warrant significant consideration in the discussion.
If you were accused of S.A., it means likely you were not a perfect angel and you made some poor decisions that night.
Perhaps not poor enough to land you in jail, but being expelled from school for violating student conduct is a much lower consequence so the burden of proof can be much lower.
Our country's history is literally littered with people falsely accusing black dudes
Accusers almost never gain anything from coming forward, and more likely lose something in the process (at the very least, stress and emotional pain in having to recall the incident and the impact it had on them).
That’s why they are to be believed, and not silenced.
This is a concept that many here struggle with mightily.
The idea of false accusations is a red herring. It doesn’t happen nearly enough (or really much at all) to warrant significant consideration in the discussion.
If you were accused of S.A., it means likely you were not a perfect angel and you made some poor decisions that night.
Perhaps not poor enough to land you in jail, but being expelled from school for violating student conduct is a much lower consequence so the burden of proof can be much lower.
Has literally nothing to do with what’s being discussed here.
You either are genuinely mistaken or are purposefully presenting a specious counter-argument. Regardless, it’s not even close to legitimate.
If you wanted to attempt a good faith, honest discussion, you could attempt to show where there have been many examples of false S.A. accusations (regardless of irrelevant factors like race). There might be more than zero, but the number is low enough to give only minor consideration.
I wish people would quite responding to, and quoting G4L. It sort of wrecks the work I have done to ignore-list him and his habit of filling up every discussion with dozens of responses. For me, I can't think of another person over the years that has done more to drag down GH discussions so consistently. I've got other people I have ignore-listed but none have had the prolific, consistent ability to infect nearly every discussion, and then revisit every discussion to continue to drag them down over and over again.
Has literally nothing to do with what’s being discussed here.
You either are genuinely mistaken or are purposefully presenting a specious counter-argument. Regardless, it’s not even close to legitimate.
If you wanted to attempt a good faith, honest discussion, you could attempt to show where there have been many examples of false S.A. accusations (regardless of irrelevant factors like race). There might be more than zero, but the number is low enough to give only minor consideration.