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Some people can't incorporate feedback into their thought processes no matter how many people say the same thing, over , and over, and over, and over.........

That's 8 half dots and one full dot for you Monk for a total of Five.
 

I agree that the move to the pro-style offense was a curious decision.
 

by one poster, more in polite conversation with the guest whiner I'm guessing.
 

the Minnesota fan posting on that site is a complete moron.
 


If you think that's bad, try trawling through the Pioneer Press comments section for any given Gopher football story. Makes that guy look like a frickin' genius...
 



DMB123 said:
What part of what he said do you have a problem with?
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He went on a Texas board saying "thanks for giving us this idiot" when Brewster hasn't coached there for some time now. It was stupid of him to even post there in first place. Name calling and misspelling names also makes him sound very unintelligent.
 



GophersInIowa said:
He went on a Texas board saying "thanks for giving us this idiot" when Brewster hasn't coached there for some time now. It was stupid of him to even post there in first place. Name calling and misspelling names also makes him sound very unintelligent.
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Ok, but it's tough to argue with anything that was said regarding Brewster. The firing of Dunbar and hiring of Fisch, his BS coaching record on his website, calling back to back timeouts vs SDSU and not being able to pick up on their blitz packages for a full four quarters, switching from the spread to a pro style offense even though he had two spread QB's in the program, and then the whole Kansas job opening situation. Can you really argue with any of those things?
 

DMB123 said:
Ok, but it's tough to argue with anything that was said regarding Brewster. The firing of Dunbar and hiring of Fisch, his BS coaching record on his website, calling back to back timeouts vs SDSU and not being able to pick up on their blitz packages for a full four quarters, switching from the spread to a pro style offense even though he had two spread QB's in the program, and then the whole Kansas job opening situation. Can you really argue with any of those things?
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correct me if im wrong, but when brew listed his record, did it say "this is my head coaching record 100+ wins 40 losses"????

i dont recall that, i just remember seeing his coaching record-nothing labeled head coaching! i would assume he had a hand in a lot of the success where he had been at

sorry i didnt take note of the actual numbers for his record
 

No one lists coaching victories but the head coach. To list them as coaching wins and he was a tight ends coach in a bit disingenuous at best.
 

Everything Brew does revolves around recruiting. He used the number to show he had been a part of many successful programs.
 



Well then, great. Let's hire Urban Myer's ball boy. Great program, his resume has a few national championships on it!
 

Hiring a coach had nothing to do with the point of my argument. Brewster is selling himself and his successes (whether the head coach or not) to potential players. He certainly isn't going to sell his 14-23 head coaching record.
 

This "record" controversey always amazes me. Because the people who bring it up are essentially admitting that they are misinformed and moronic. And some people are just soooo willing to be wrong and to be misled.

The record, as it was used, was used in proper context. The media has purposefully taken it out of context to make you belive that Brewster somehow has used this as his coaching record. I have even heard people regurgitate KFAN lies that say he "had it on his resume".

The record was stated along with the context that Brewster has always been attached to successful programs. It was totally obvious that it wasn't his HC recrod. But let's not let the facts get in the way of an opportunity to be as negative as humanly possible.
 

Goldmember said:
This "record" controversey always amazes me. Because the people who bring it up are essentially admitting that they are misinformed and moronic. And some people are just soooo willing to be wrong and to be misled.

The record, as it was used, was used in proper context. The media has purposefully taken it out of context to make you belive that Brewster somehow has used this as his coaching record. I have even heard people regurgitate KFAN lies that say he "had it on his resume".

The record was stated along with the context that Brewster has always been attached to successful programs. It was totally obvious that it wasn't his HC recrod. But let's not let the facts get in the way of an opportunity to be as negative as humanly possible.
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I truly hope you are kidding. Most people know it wasn't on his resume'. But the fact that you think it was obvious that it wasn't his HC record is absurd. It flat out said "... has a career coaching record of..." and then listed the record which I can't remember specifically what that was but it was roughly 130-60 and maybe some ties in there. It was a complete lie on his part and a huge embarrassment. No one, not even the media, has taken this out of context, unless people say it was on his resume which isn't true. There was no other way to take it. That's what he was saying his career coaching record is. No one, I repeat NO ONE would ever count victories as their own when they were just assistant coaches, not even in the context you are talking about.
 

I stuck with Brew through the horrible first season. I went to every event where he appeared. I offered him my help in many areas. I had a good relationship with him. I attended the scrimmage up at St. Johns with a college coach and this coach said it was one of the worst practices he had ever seen. I argued with him that it was a good practice because I WANTED so badly to believe in Brew. I stood by him during the slump last year. I was with him this year until the Wisconsin game. That's when I finally decided that I'd had enough. Brew is not a good coach. He may be a good recruiter (although he has yet to bring in the top guy in his own state). But as a motivator he is very sub par. Have you listened to his speeches? He repeats himself and seems lost. He raises his voice and pumps his chest but his words are empty. Then you have the Weber situation and his bad game decisions like wasting timeouts and losing to horrible teams. Having his recruits mature is not going to help him win games. He will not be a major winner.
 

DMB123 said:
I truly hope you are kidding. Most people know it wasn't on his resume'. But the fact that you think it was obvious that it wasn't his HC record is absurd. It flat out said "... has a career coaching record of..." and then listed the record which I can't remember specifically what that was but it was roughly 130-60 and maybe some ties in there. It was a complete lie on his part and a huge embarrassment. No one, not even the media, has taken this out of context, unless people say it was on his resume which isn't true. There was no other way to take it. That's what he was saying his career coaching record is. No one, I repeat NO ONE would ever count victories as their own when they were just assistant coaches, not even in the context you are talking about.
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This is incorrect. He never once said or even insinuated "head coaching record." Disingenuous? Probably, but certainly not a lie.
 

Halsey Hall said:
I attended the scrimmage up at St. Johns with a college coach and this coach said it was one of the worst practices he had ever seen.
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Wow, so a team with the talent level to go 1-11 and a rookie coach running his first week of practices had a bad practice?! *SHOCK* *GASP* *HORROR*
 

eag35 said:
No one lists coaching victories but the head coach. To list them as coaching wins and he was a tight ends coach in a bit disingenuous at best.
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Not true. As an example, this is from an on-line writeup for Gordy Shaw:

"Shaw began his tenure at Minnesota in 1993. During his 14 years at the school, he led Minnesota to seven bowl berths in eight years and five-straight bowl bids starting in 2002. During that span the team won 38 games, the most ever in the school’s history during a five-year span since 1903-07. In total, Shaw has coached in nine bowl games in his career."
 

dpodoll68 said:
This is incorrect. He never once said or even insinuated "head coaching record." Disingenuous? Probably, but certainly not a lie.
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When something says..."Tim Brewster has a career coaching record of..." you really don't believe that's insinuating record as a head coach? Give me a break. Assistant coaches DO NOT HAVE RECORDS!!

I guess Tim Brewster is officially the first assistant in the history of football to have an overall coaching record. I'll defend a lot of things about Brewster, but this coaching record fiasco is indefensible.
 

harrys ghost said:
Not true. As an example, this is from an on-line writeup for Gordy Shaw:

"Shaw began his tenure at Minnesota in 1993. During his 14 years at the school, he led Minnesota to seven bowl berths in eight years and five-straight bowl bids starting in 2002. During that span the team won 38 games, the most ever in the school’s history during a five-year span since 1903-07. In total, Shaw has coached in nine bowl games in his career."
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That's a lot different than saying "Gordy Shaw has a career coaching record of 38-whatever."
 

This is what it said:

Minnesota Head Coach Tim Brewster has 21 years of coaching experience. Prior to joining the Maroon and Gold, Brew served tenures under coaching legends Mack Browm (sic), Marty Schottenheimer, and Mike Shanahan. Brewster has coached in 10 Bowl games and played in two as a player at Illinois. In total, Brewster holds a coaching record of 113-61-1 (.645). Coach Brewster also has made headlines as an outstanding recruiter. He has inked the likes of NFL stars Vince Young and Chris Sims (sic) at Texas and Alge Crumpler at the University of North Carolina.
 

Maximus said:
This is what it said:

Minnesota Head Coach Tim Brewster has 21 years of coaching experience. Prior to joining the Maroon and Gold, Brew served tenures under coaching legends Mack Browm (sic), Marty Schottenheimer, and Mike Shanahan. Brewster has coached in 10 Bowl games and played in two as a player at Illinois. In total, Brewster holds a coaching record of 113-61-1 (.645). Coach Brewster also has made headlines as an outstanding recruiter. He has inked the likes of NFL stars Vince Young and Chris Sims (sic) at Texas and Alge Crumpler at the University of North Carolina.
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Exactly. That is a lie. His coaching record is 14-23. I don't see how anyone can defend this.
 

DMB123 said:
When something says..."Tim Brewster has a career coaching record of..." you really don't believe that's insinuating record as a head coach? Give me a break. Assistant coaches DO NOT HAVE RECORDS!!

I guess Tim Brewster is officially the first assistant in the history of football to have an overall coaching record. I'll defend a lot of things about Brewster, but this coaching record fiasco is indefensible.
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Are you familiar with the concept of context? It appears you are not. You are taking the quote out of context again.

Considering the statements that preceded and followed the quote, you would have to be a complete idiot or completely dishonest to advance the idea that he was claiming this was his HC record. The media (that so many here in the Twin Cities like to mindlessly echo) are both.
 

DMB123 said:
Exactly. That is a lie. His coaching record is 14-23. I don't see how anyone can defend this.
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You are wrong. His head coaching record is 14-23.

No one ever brings up their overall coaching record, and especially doesn't publicize it. But that does not make it "wrong" or a "lie." His overall coaching record is exactly what he says it is.

Rip him for bringing it up and publicizing it. But he did not lie or fabricate or *insert miscellaneous negative term here*.
 



Maximus said:
This is what it said:

Minnesota Head Coach Tim Brewster has 21 years of coaching experience. Prior to joining the Maroon and Gold, Brew served tenures under coaching legends Mack Browm (sic), Marty Schottenheimer, and Mike Shanahan. Brewster has coached in 10 Bowl games and played in two as a player at Illinois. In total, Brewster holds a coaching record of 113-61-1 (.645). Coach Brewster also has made headlines as an outstanding recruiter. He has inked the likes of NFL stars Vince Young and Chris Sims (sic) at Texas and Alge Crumpler at the University of North Carolina.
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To me it just seems so obvious what the writer is trying to say here. Brewster has been on the winning staff of a few notable coaching legends. How could anyone interpret this as his HC record?
 

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