Croft #2?

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play hard said:
This position has been way below Big Ten standards for a long time ! Poor completion ratings !!need more ch better play to get to the next level
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Agreed. I think our low passing percentage is also a function of our play selection.
Too many times. Run on first. Run on second. Bomb on third.

Do we know Leidner's "1st and ten" percentage compared to his "3rd and long" percentage?" That would be an analysis worth discussing.

Doesn't make it better or more acceptable, it's just something that's rarely brought up. We all know Leidner is prone to knuckleballing a throw or two, but I wonder how he'd perform with the same play selection as other teams. More bubble screens. More traditional screens. More short passes.
 

My god how many times can this subject be discussed here or more accurately be repeated? Nothing new is being said. Therefore I beg you, please stop. I running out of Excedrin.:banghead::banghead::banghead: Yea, I know, maybe I should stop banging my head.:rolleyes:
 

IF Strevlar wants to play and play wide receiver why not let him.

Spoofin said:
This quote from Kill yesterday speaks volumes. If CS5 is your back-up, you provide confidence- you don't avoid the question...

Asked if Streveler is still the No. 2 quarterback, Kill said: “We haven’t talked about it too much. We know what he can do at quarterback, and he came to me this summer and said he wants to play.
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Strevlar ran in the top five speed wise of any Gopher. The kid has straight line speed in spades. If he want's to play and you need to get him on the field for slot receiver or wherever you do that. I agree with the coach they are giving Strevlar a chance to help the team win. Strevlar is consistent passing wise for 10 to 20 yards and that is about it.
Croft will likely red-shirt, it is nice to hear good things about the young man. That said I fully expect Leidner to start and play well. If he doesn't the game play will decide things. It's up to Mitch Leidner he is a junior and has had plenty of reps, it is time for him to elevate his game and start being more consistent, playing time and experience should not be a hindrance now.
 

BarnBoy said:
Agreed. I think our low passing percentage is also a function of our play selection.
Too many times. Run on first. Run on second. Bomb on third.

Do we know Leidner's "1st and ten" percentage compared to his "3rd and long" percentage?" That would be an analysis worth discussing.

Doesn't make it better or more acceptable, it's just something that's rarely brought up. We all know Leidner is prone to knuckleballing a throw or two, but I wonder how he'd perform with the same play selection as other teams. More bubble screens. More traditional screens. More short passes.
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http://www.cfbstats.com/2014/player/428/1048164/passing/situational.html

On 1st down he was actually only at 50%. 2nd down was his most successful down at around 60%. It's hard to say what that means without having the stat broken down further. Were the majority of those 2nd down passes after successful running plays? I'd say it's likely that's the case. 3rd and long (7 yards or more) he was at 35%. He did throw the most passes on 3rd down which probably does cause a lower completion %.

Mitch Leidner
# of 1st down passes = 69
# of 2nd down passes = 79
# of 3rd down passes = 86

I think there's an argument to be made that more balanced play calling would help that stat increase.

Compare to JT Barrett (just an example, I'm not trying to say Mitch can become Barrett) who was at 65% for the season and his distribution is as follows:

JT Barrett
# of 1st down passes = 154
# of 2nd down passes = 84
# of 3rd down passes = 73
 

jaymil said:
http://www.cfbstats.com/2014/player/428/1048164/passing/situational.html

On 1st down he was actually only at 50%. 2nd down was his most successful down at around 60%. It's hard to say what that means without having the stat broken down further. Were the majority of those 2nd down passes after successful running plays? I'd say it's likely that's the case. 3rd and long (7 yards or more) he was at 35%. He did throw the most passes on 3rd down which probably does cause a lower completion %.

Mitch Leidner
# of 1st down passes = 69
# of 2nd down passes = 79
# of 3rd down passes = 86

I think there's an argument to be made that more balanced play calling would help that stat increase.

Compare to JT Barrett (just an example, I'm not trying to say Mitch can become Barrett) who was at 65% for the season and his distribution is as follows:

JT Barrett
# of 1st down passes = 154
# of 2nd down passes = 84
# of 3rd down passes = 73
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I Lol'd
 


gopherdudepart2 said:
Strevlar ran in the top five speed wise of any Gopher. The kid has straight line speed in spades. If he want's to play and you need to get him on the field for slot receiver or wherever you do that. I agree with the coach they are giving Strevlar a chance to help the team win. Strevlar is consistent passing wise for 10 to 20 yards and that is about it.
Croft will likely red-shirt, it is nice to hear good things about the young man. That said I fully expect Leidner to start and play well. If he doesn't the game play will decide things. It's up to Mitch Leidner he is a junior and has had plenty of reps, it is time for him to elevate his game and start being more consistent, playing time and experience should not be a hindrance now.
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Can you please spell the kids name correctly. It's Streveler. Thank you.
 

Wouldn't You like to Know said:
Can you please spell the kids name correctly. It's Streveler. Thank you.
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Kev·lar
ˈkevlär/
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noun: Kevlar

a synthetic fiber of high tensile strength used especially as a reinforcing agent in the manufacture of tires and other rubber products and protective gear such as helmets and vests.
 

i remember in 2012 anyone who dared say that philip nelson might see the field was dismissed outright. we had gray and shortell! i'm not saying that croft is gonna play, but people who claim that it is a forgone conclusion that he won't are being obtuse.
 

Killjoy said:
My god how many times can this subject be discussed here or more accurately be repeated? Nothing new is being said. Therefore I beg you, please stop. I running out of Excedrin.:banghead::banghead::banghead: Yea, I know, maybe I should stop banging my head.:rolleyes:
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I am not hearing a lot about Perra in all this GH discourses.

Where is he exactly in Jerry Kill's pecking order? I was excited to see him in the Spring Scrimmage only to find out he was hurt.

Is Rhoda ahead of Perra?
 

As I read the article, it sounded like Kill was saying: Steveler is a good athlete - too good to sit on the bench all year, so let's try him at some other positions and see what he can do. I could see some specialty sets with Leidner and Steveler on the field at the same time - put Strev in motion and pitch him the ball, run him on a jet sweep, or fake it to him and let him drift out into the flat as a check-down receiver.

I don't think it's a matter of "Streveler is no longer #2," - it's a matter of "he's a good athlete, let's get him on the field, instead of standing on the sideline wearing a baseball hat." I don't see it as a knock on Steveler - I see it as Kill complimenting his athletic ability and willingness to help the team. Stev could be the Gopher's "Slash" player. (old Steelers reference)
 

dpodoll68 said:
"Settle"? What does that mean? What are we supposed to do about it as fans? It's not Leidner's fault that he's easily the best QB on the roster.
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I've never understood that either. It's not like getting ticked off on a message board or throwing the remote at my TV will change things. Do we stop going to games because we don't want to "settle for average"? Should we protest at Kill's home? I don't get it.
 

short ornery norwegian said:
As I read the article, it sounded like Kill was saying: Steveler is a good athlete - too good to sit on the bench all year, so let's try him at some other positions and see what he can do. I could see some specialty sets with Leidner and Steveler on the field at the same time - put Strev in motion and pitch him the ball, run him on a jet sweep, or fake it to him and let him drift out into the flat as a check-down receiver.

I don't think it's a matter of "Streveler is no longer #2," - it's a matter of "he's a good athlete, let's get him on the field, instead of standing on the sideline wearing a baseball hat." I don't see it as a knock on Steveler - I see it as Kill complimenting his athletic ability and willingness to help the team. Stev could be the Gopher's "Slash" player. (old Steelers reference)
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This seems like the most reasonable explanation. Plus, I think Kill & Co. believe they are better off overall at QB than in their previous seasons here. I believe in house, they are pretty excited and pleased with what they have in ML7 and all he brings to the table, as opposed to all the angst on GH about areas our experts feel are sky-is-falling deficiencies. Mitch is a tough hombre, not a fragile little twig, so if we are really as good as we think we are, let's get our best guys out there and go for it.
 



Killjoy said:
My god how many times can this subject be discussed here or more accurately be repeated? Nothing new is being said. Therefore I beg you, please stop. I running out of Excedrin.:banghead::banghead::banghead: Yea, I know, maybe I should stop banging my head.:rolleyes:
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It will continue until we get better play and better play calling !n
 

short ornery norwegian said:
As I read the article, it sounded like Kill was saying: Steveler is a good athlete - too good to sit on the bench all year, so let's try him at some other positions and see what he can do. I could see some specialty sets with Leidner and Steveler on the field at the same time - put Strev in motion and pitch him the ball, run him on a jet sweep, or fake it to him and let him drift out into the flat as a check-down receiver.

I don't think it's a matter of "Streveler is no longer #2," - it's a matter of "he's a good athlete, let's get him on the field, instead of standing on the sideline wearing a baseball hat." I don't see it as a knock on Steveler - I see it as Kill complimenting his athletic ability and willingness to help the team. Stev could be the Gopher's "Slash" player. (old Steelers reference)
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Streveler came to Kill and asked how he could get on the field. Kill raved about how smart Streveler and they can plug him in at many spots and he knows what he's doing.

At the end of the day we want Leidner healthy. It's interesting however how many clips and photos show Croft on the field in practice.


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jaymil said:
http://www.cfbstats.com/2014/player/428/1048164/passing/situational.html

On 1st down he was actually only at 50%. 2nd down was his most successful down at around 60%. It's hard to say what that means without having the stat broken down further. Were the majority of those 2nd down passes after successful running plays? I'd say it's likely that's the case. 3rd and long (7 yards or more) he was at 35%. He did throw the most passes on 3rd down which probably does cause a lower completion %.

Mitch Leidner
# of 1st down passes = 69
# of 2nd down passes = 79
# of 3rd down passes = 86

I think there's an argument to be made that more balanced play calling would help that stat increase.

Compare to JT Barrett (just an example, I'm not trying to say Mitch can become Barrett) who was at 65% for the season and his distribution is as follows:

JT Barrett
# of 1st down passes = 154
# of 2nd down passes = 84
# of 3rd down passes = 73
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Now this is something interesting!

Hopefully this formats. Completion percentage by distance, 2013. In the NFL, completion percentage over 20 yards is around 40 percent even for the Mannings, Brady's, and Rodgers of the world.

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