Minnesota JUCO Schools--where is Jerry Holeman #2??

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Long time, first time.

What's the scoop on Minnesota junior/community colleges? Why aren't there any D1 recruits coming out of our state's 2 year basketball programs? I know a lot of them are considered D3 programs and I think Dakota is considered a D2 program. Wouldn't it be in the U's interest to have a better JUCO system here in the state so we could develop some sort of pipeline there?

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We used to have MCTC which produced Holman and a few others, but that program unfortunately got shut down. Former U assistant Jay Pivec did a nice job there.

And Rochester Community College had a program at one point as well, I'm not sure if they still do. Way back in the day Flip started his coaching career at Golden Valley Lutheran College but the school closed about 30 years ago.

But you are right, a good community college program in the Metro Area would certainly benefit the U, but its not like the U can fund it so it would need to be self-sufficient.

Go Gophers!!
 

Ihatebucky said:
Long time, first time.

What's the scoop on Minnesota junior/community colleges? Why aren't there any D1 recruits coming out of our state's 2 year basketball programs? I know a lot of them are considered D3 programs and I think Dakota is considered a D2 program. Wouldn't it be in the U's interest to have a better JUCO system here in the state so we could develop some sort of pipeline there?

I'll hang up and listen.
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I'd say the biggest reason that Minnesota JUCOs don't produce a whole lot of D1 recruits is because the schools can't offer athletic scholarships so it is harder to attract D1 level talent when they can go to other JCs and get a athletic scholarship while they are there.
 

Even the often nationally ranked MCTC didn't produce many D1 kids. Kato, UMN, Augsburg, Omaha, etc... they had one guy who went to UNLV, wasn't anything special there... Jerry Holeman was a pretty rare case.

RCTC still has a program... is that different the RCC?
 

Rochester is probably the best team over the last 5 years. U will have small D 1 guys not to often a high major kid. I Think it is kinda under recruited some what. There has been way better players than Woodard in this league.
 


HOOP DREAMS said:
Even the often nationally ranked MCTC didn't produce many D1 kids. Kato, UMN, Augsburg, Omaha, etc... they had one guy who went to UNLV, wasn't anything special there... Jerry Holeman was a pretty rare case.

RCTC still has a program... is that different the RCC?
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RCC=Ridgewater Community College I do believe. Andy was that kids first name was a 6'6 guard did not think he was that good even when he was at Minneapolis. Yeah no scholarships is most definetly the reason.
 

rivergopher said:
RCC=Ridgewater Community College I do believe. Andy was that kids first name was a 6'6 guard did not think he was that good even when he was at Minneapolis. Yeah no scholarships is most definetly the reason.
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Paris Kyles was one MCTC guy that should have gotten picked up by a D1 squad.

Ridgewater... ahhh yes.

Andy Hannan, JUCO stats often don't translate to how well a player will do when he jumps to D1;
A 2003 graduate of Minneapolis Community and Technical College ... led his team in scoring (20.5 ppg), rebounding (7.2 rpg) and steals (2.4 spg), and was second in assists (4.3 apg) during his sophomore season ... was a NJCAA first team All-America for Division III, earned all-state honors and was selected to the Minneapolis Community College Conference All-Tournament team ... shot 51.8 percent from the field (213-of-411), 37.8 percent from 3-point range (37-of-98) and 78.9 percent from the free throw line (112-of-142) ... team finished 25-3 overall in 2002-03 and a perfect 12-0 in the MCCC's Southern Division ... squad finished second in the state playoffs and earned a berth in the regional tournament.
 

So 2-3 MN JUCOs to D1 in the last 10-15 years, wow.

What would it take to give scholarships? Is that an individual college decision based on funding/priorities or a system wide policy?

I'd like to see St Paul College start a team- could play at the Sal on 7th.
 

I had to take a physical education class at MCTC back in 2001/2002. I settled on Archery and I got to the gym one day early to help set up the targets and Jerry Holman was shooting hoops by himself. I came up to him, and I'm 33 years old, and I said, "Mr. Holman...can I throw you an alley-oop"? He whips me the ball and I deliver and he throws it down. I hope he made it somewhere...I'll always think he is cool.
 



Ihatebucky said:
So 2-3 MN JUCOs to D1 in the last 10-15 years, wow.

What would it take to give scholarships? Is that an individual college decision based on funding/priorities or a system wide policy?

I'd like to see St Paul College start a team- could play at the Sal on 7th.
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The no athletic scholarships is a conference thing set by the MCAC. Some of the schools do work around it a little bit by giving athletes "academic" scholarships whether they really qualify for the actual scholarship or not.
 

There have been more than 2-3 in the last 10-15 years those are the two that ended up at major programs. I know when I was at Vermilion there were 6 Football players that ended up in FCS/FBS. To think these schools could give out full rides is a riot, go to a campus of one of the outstate campuses and look at the facilities, the athletic directors do amazing things to keep the programs going. I played 2 sports in the early 2000s in this conference and loved every minute of it, and ultimately led to me going to a d2 school, but there is no way these schools have the budget to have scholarships. I have always thought St. Paul should have Basketball but probably cost them to much money.
 

I bet a couple D 1 kids every year. Just not big ten players every year.
 

Ihatebucky said:
So 2-3 MN JUCOs to D1 in the last 10-15 years, wow.

What would it take to give scholarships? Is that an individual college decision based on funding/priorities or a system wide policy?

I'd like to see St Paul College start a team- could play at the Sal on 7th.
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2-3 D1 players out of MCTC, not the all the JUCOs in the state. Adding a St. Paul team wouldn't help the gophers very much and if MCTC couldn't afford to keep the program I'm not sure why STP would want to start a team.

It believe it was MCTC success that killed the program, traveling to NYC for the national tourney year after year blew the schools budget.
 



You guys are talking about the need for scholarships? There needs to junior college basketball teams in Minnesota first. There are very few and the level is low. Normandale was a power...gave up basketball years ago. Golden Valley Lutheran as mentioned...gone. Metropolitan...gone. Inver Hills had some nice teams...gone. I'm sure there are others I'm forgetting that are also gone.
Pivec started Dakota County and Anoka Ramsey has a team. Those are the only metro teams I'm aware of. Northern Minnesota has several teams and southern Minnesota has a few as well. The metro needs more teams to have any chance of making it all work.
ie...good basketball, competitive teams, scholarships etc. Without it: the travel to play, any organized publicity, etc are just about impossible to accomplish.
 

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