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IMO it's pretty simple. Pitino is coaching the way he'd coach a team full of your typical Louisville or Florida recruits (this year excepted for Florida) which makes some sense because that's how he learned. He'd only done one year without elite talent before last season, and his system/strategy/style worked well enough last year so he carried it over. If his passion for recruiting ends up getting elite level talent, and the jury is still out, he will end up having a really successful run here. If not, he with either need to adapt or die.
 

Gopherfan12 said:
Would you consider Mathieu and King really as a real recruiting class? I know he did recruit them, but Pitino got hired in what April? Those guys were basically fill in players for that class because we needed some players. And Pitino didn't even have a full season of coaching under his belt here to recruit for the 2014 class of Konate, Gaston, Morris and Mason so 2015 is really the first real class that has been able to see Pitino coach for a full season. Watching next years recruits will be a better indication I think. Thoughts?
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The fill in players turned out to be better recruits than the one that is in jail.
 

Coach P will be fine. Give him time. He is young and will make mistakes and learn on the job.

Patience my friends.
 

mnsportsgeek said:
The fill in players turned out to be better recruits than the one that is in jail.
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The one in jail was also a fill in. He's had one recruiting class, really. Blew it on Lofton and Martin. Mason and Konate will be good players here. Next year we will have 6-7 new players all Pitino guys. Let's see what kind of potential they show- most likely a tough year but could be fun to watch them grow. The year after, the money is on the line.
 

His recruiting is brutal. He takes a couple risks on the pair of Africans, which might pan out in 3 years (sarcasm), he has no skilled forwards yet we see he is still chasing combo guards and 6'3" small forwards in the spring. We'll probably get another crappy JUCO, ala Carlos Morris who'll come in here and bore us to death at the four-spot for 2 years.

He takes a shot on that mental case transfer who takes up a scholly just long enough so we don't keep recruiting illikainen because we don't have any open tenders.

He's absolutely toast. Next year will be an absolute DISASTER! So bad there is no way he can survive. The roster has been so mismanaged and he's only brought in 1 (mason) player capable of competing in the big ten so far. Not a good ratio when taken over 2 years.
 


sonnygarcia said:
His recruiting is brutal. He takes a couple risks on the pair of Africans, which might pan out in 3 years (sarcasm), he has no skilled forwards yet we see he is still chasing combo guards and 6'3" small forwards in the spring. We'll probably get another crappy JUCO, ala Carlos Morris who'll come in here and bore us to death at the four-spot for 2 years.

He takes a shot on that mental case transfer who takes up a scholly just long enough so we don't keep recruiting illikainen because we don't have any open tenders.

He's absolutely toast. Next year will be an absolute DISASTER! So bad there is no way he can survive. The roster has been so mismanaged and he's only brought in 1 (mason) player capable of competing in the big ten so far. Not a good ratio when taken over 2 years.
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Well next year can't get much worse than this year
 

Gopherfan12 said:
Would you consider Mathieu and King really as a real recruiting class? I know he did recruit them, but Pitino got hired in what April? Those guys were basically fill in players for that class because we needed some players. And Pitino didn't even have a full season of coaching under his belt here to recruit for the 2014 class of Konate, Gaston, Morris and Mason so 2015 is really the first real class that has been able to see Pitino coach for a full season. Watching next years recruits will be a better indication I think. Thoughts?
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Agree 100%. Thus why I want to reserve the hot seat talk until this class comes in and has some games under its belt. Pitino also has had some huge recruiting blunders. Most notably Josh Martin, and filling up schollies when AI was still on the board. AI could really haunt us...

Edit: forgot about the jail bait

You need to give him the benefit of the doubt. He didn't come into an easy situation. It's just getting a little more difficult to do so with each passing game.
 

GophersInIowa said:
That's the second time you've posted this. We played both zone and man tonight. Neither worked.

As for Pitino, it's hard not to be concerned. This team should be a lot better than they have shown. The effort and execution has not been good. We have to see improvement next year and that will be very tough with so many young guys.
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The weird thing about this team is that they came out and played an excellent defensive game against Iowa and it looked like they turned the corner. Then teams start hitting threes like I have never seen before. I just think this team is just incredibly soft mentally. Tonight they came out attacking the NW zone beautifully- reversing the ball quickly into the middle and out to the sides and then they just went away from it when NW started hitting threes - they just mentally got defeated.
 




bga1 said:
The one in jail was also a fill in. He's had one recruiting class, really. Blew it on Lofton and Martin. Mason and Konate will be good players here. Next year we will have 6-7 new players all Pitino guys. Let's see what kind of potential they show- most likely a tough year but could be fun to watch them grow. The year after, the money is on the line.
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McNeil was not a fill in. He was recruiting him when he was at FIU, then continued at Minnesota. To me that is not a fill in sounds like a player you really wanted.
 


sonnygarcia said:
His recruiting is brutal. He takes a couple risks on the pair of Africans, which might pan out in 3 years (sarcasm), he has no skilled forwards yet we see he is still chasing combo guards and 6'3" small forwards in the spring. We'll probably get another crappy JUCO, ala Carlos Morris who'll come in here and bore us to death at the four-spot for 2 years.

He takes a shot on that mental case transfer who takes up a scholly just long enough so we don't keep recruiting illikainen because we don't have any open tenders.

He's absolutely toast. Next year will be an absolute DISASTER! So bad there is no way he can survive. The roster has been so mismanaged and he's only brought in 1 (mason) player capable of competing in the big ten so far. Not a good ratio when taken over 2 years.
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Its always interesting to me when football fans only show up on the BB board at low times to rag on the coach or the recruiting process. Where is Studwell? Usually he can't resist getting some shots when things aren't going well for the team.

I notice you're not too high on Kill either, concerned he's not going to be able to make the jump to lightspeed.
Why not go back to the football board and spread your personal blend of optimism and cheer there. You don't really add any knowledge about this team anyway.
 

JoshuaT81 said:
McNeil was not a fill in. He was recruiting him when he was at FIU, then continued at Minnesota. To me that is not a fill in sounds like a player you really wanted.
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McNeil is probably not who he would have been recruiting to a high D1 school had he been here a year. FIU is a different story. Look - right now Sacar Amin who is a better rated player (I think) than McNeil was- can't get an offer. McNeil was a fill in -in my opinion.
 



1997vacatedfinalfour said:
If we are not tourney team two years from now, he will be gone.
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That actually is possible if they are 5-13 or something like that. If he's 8-10 and the prospects he has brought in look good- then he has the fifth year to make it. However, I think he'll get it done in the next two years.
 

Moonlight said:
Its always interesting to me when football fans only show up on the BB board at low times to rag on the coach or the recruiting process. Where is Studwell? Usually he can't resist getting some shots when things aren't going well for the team.

I notice you're not too high on Kill either, concerned he's not going to be able to make the jump to lightspeed.
Why not go back to the football board and spread your personal blend of optimism and cheer there. You don't really add any knowledge about this team anyway.
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:clap:
 

Still have faith in him and his staff. Let him continue to recruit and let's see. Way to early for this negative crap. Next year will be better imo. Need three more players and I'm thinking we get them. He's had one recruiting class.
 

I know an awful lot about the team to just be a football fan; could it be {gasp}, that I'm a fan of both? If you still see hope in this situation you are a kool aid drinker. There is hope of a nice back court with Mason and Dorsey, but JJ is a short combo guard with a questionable shot. Mcbrayer can score, but can you play the 3 in the big ten at 170 lbs? No one else really wanted JN, so I'll just hold out hope he can be a serviceable piece. There is nothing 3 thru 5 on this roster. We will still have to recruit something there if we want any level of productivity. The two Africans will never amount to anything and JN seems to be a solid defensive presence with limited offensive capability.
 

Down with Goldy said:
IMO it's pretty simple. Pitino is coaching the way he'd coach a team full of your typical Louisville or Florida recruits (this year excepted for Florida) which makes some sense because that's how he learned. He'd only done one year without elite talent before last season, and his system/strategy/style worked well enough last year so he carried it over. If his passion for recruiting ends up getting elite level talent, and the jury is still out, he will end up having a really successful run here. If not, he with either need to adapt or die.
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I agree with this, mainly on the defensive side of the ball. I see them trying to run a 90-feet-of-hell press with a 5'8" pg and a 5'11" sg and good teams with good guards just stay patient and pass over the top. I see undersized forwards with limited athleticism try to gamble on help side and then sloppily try to close out on jump shooters on the weak side. We need horses if we are going to run a derby.
 

sonnygarcia said:
I know an awful lot about the team to just be a football fan; could it be {gasp}, that I'm a fan of both? If you still see hope in this situation you are a kool aid drinker. There is hope of a nice back court with Mason and Dorsey, but JJ is a short combo guard with a questionable shot. Mcbrayer can score, but can you play the 3 in the big ten at 170 lbs? No one else really wanted JN, so I'll just hold out hope he can be a serviceable piece. There is nothing 3 thru 5 on this roster. We will still have to recruit something there if we want any level of productivity. The two Africans will never amount to anything and JN seems to be a solid defensive presence with limited offensive capability.
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It could just be that you are a negative fan - which is your right. I feel a little negative myself tonight. I'm okay with giving up on this year- it's been a train wreck. But it's far too early to give up on a young coach who is showing a ton of recruiting energy and who I think will get the job done. I'm not sure how Diedhou will come along but Konate is going to be a very good Big Ten center in time. I repeat- very good. Let's let it play out sonny- I have a feeling next year while perhaps not and NCAA season will be a lot more fun than this one.
 

The two Africans? Your tone says it all. In basketball there is always hope. One, two players can change everything real quick. You have no idea how any of these recruits translate to the college game nor do I. No hope? little early for that mindset.
 

It's pretty natural to go sky is falling after a loss like tonight and I'm guilty of it too if you look at my twitter, but nobody should have looked at this as a quick fix hire. I think, sad as it is, the NIT title raised expectations. Pitino has learned a style of play from his dad and Billy Donovan and it's one that works, but only works when you have the right players. He doesn't have that here. He hasn't adjusted and on one hand it's his fault, but on the other he's never known anything else. I'm pretty discouraged right now but I'm not about to run him off either.
 

sonnygarcia said:
I know an awful lot about the team to just be a football fan; could it be {gasp}, that I'm a fan of both? If you still see hope in this situation you are a kool aid drinker. There is hope of a nice back court with Mason and Dorsey, but JJ is a short combo guard with a questionable shot. Mcbrayer can score, but can you play the 3 in the big ten at 170 lbs? No one else really wanted JN, so I'll just hold out hope he can be a serviceable piece. There is nothing 3 thru 5 on this roster. We will still have to recruit something there if we want any level of productivity. The two Africans will never amount to anything and JN seems to be a solid defensive presence with limited offensive capability.
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Kool Aid, Kool Aid tastes great.
Wish you had some
can't wait

koolaid.jpg
 

Down with Goldy said:
It's pretty natural to go sky is falling after a loss like tonight and I'm guilty of it too if you look at my twitter, but nobody should have looked at this as a quick fix hire. I think, sad as it is, the NIT title raised expectations. Pitino has learned a style of play from his dad and Billy Donovan and it's one that works, but only works when you have the right players. He doesn't have that here. He hasn't adjusted and on one hand it's his fault, but on the other he's never known anything else. I'm pretty discouraged right now but I'm not about to run him off either.
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If he changes his style to win a few games this year he loses his whole sales pitch to recruits. Every recruit I see interviewed says that they like the style of play. He'll get the players and he'll become a better coach as well.

Here's a hopeful view of next year:

Dorsey will play better than lil Dre has
Mason will improve
Buggs will be better and stronger
McBrayer will be solid and will score
By the end of next year Konate is a better player than Mo
Joey is Joey
They will get a rebounder in here in the spring and be a more physical team


Hollins is the huge loss but otherwise - I think it will be fine
 

bga1 said:
If he changes his style to win a few games this year he loses his whole sales pitch to recruits. Every recruit I see interviewed says that they like the style of play. He'll get the players and he'll become a better coach as well.

Here's a hopeful view of next year:

Dorsey will play better than lil Dre has
Mason will improve
Buggs will be better and stronger
McBrayer will be solid and will score
By the end of next year Konate is a better player than Mo
Joey is Joey
They will get a rebounder in here in the spring and be a more physical team


Hollins is the huge loss but otherwise - I think it will be fine
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I agree on style of play. That's his whole pitch. Needs to work though.
 

bga1 said:
If he changes his style to win a few games this year he loses his whole sales pitch to recruits. Every recruit I see interviewed says that they like the style of play. He'll get the players and he'll become a better coach as well.

Here's a hopeful view of next year:

Dorsey will play better than lil Dre has
Mason will improve
Buggs will be better and stronger
McBrayer will be solid and will score
By the end of next year Konate is a better player than Mo
Joey is Joey
They will get a rebounder in here in the spring and be a more physical team


Hollins is the huge loss but otherwise - I think it will be fine
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Like the optimistic view, but no way in hell the bolded happens.
 


nope, he's not a good coach, not at all. We need another direction.
 

I laugh and laugh when I think about how making the Tournament and winning a game there was cast aside as meaningless by this fan base. The worst coach in college basketball history took a 9-win team to the Tournament in his 2nd year. This coach's 2nd year? CBI, here we come! I can't wait!
 

I think Pitino will be fine. However, for those folks who say that this recruiting class somehow doesn't count in full because he hadn't been on the job long enough I think it's just excuses. These players are his. He had time to evaluate and recruit them. Garcia's language is too harsh, but this class has created a big hole in the program. It looks like there is some talent coming in next year, but no difference makers. He needs Coffey for 2016.
 

dpodoll68 said:
I laugh and laugh when I think about how making the Tournament and winning a game there was cast aside as meaningless by this fan base. The worst coach in college basketball history took a 9-win team to the Tournament in his 2nd year. This coach's 2nd year? CBI, here we come! I can't wait!
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I laugh and laugh when you discount ENTIRE seasons based on one game over 6 YEARS. This year's meltdown is quite reminiscent of several seasons we put up with in the last regime, perhaps you should go back and review those seasons to compare to this one. If the NCAA is all you care about, why pay attention to the season at all? Winning consistently in the B1G is much much harder than winning one tournament game against a barely average team with no heart or discipline.

Tubby had his shot, one game wasn't enough to justify what he was getting paid. The product he consistently put on the floor was brutal to watch game after game.
 

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