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Most if not all of our beloved pro sports team in MN are benefactors of corporate welfare at the expense of MN taxpayers.

It's time for these pro sports teams that received our generous handouts to reciprocate and donate money to the construction of the Gophers new training facilities as a matter of goodwill.

Norwood and Governor Dayton, are you reading this? Go knock on their doors and shake down a couple mil here and there...

Every little multi-millionaire/billionaire owner chum change can go a long way to reaching the $120 million needed to start construction.

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That'a a pretty funny post. I love parodies.
 



A believer in trickle down economics.

Thanks, I needed a good laugh after a brutal week.

Could it just be that our very wealthy are less philanthropic than others? Or are into soccer?

I've said it before, we need a schmoozer to shake the money out of these folks. Teague is not prime time.
 



Dr.Don said:
Hungan...fat chance.
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Then, Woody better get busy and send out the UM money men before they miss the money train. They just have to know how to do it right.

 

There was an article in one of business journals this month about MInnesota losing wealth to Florida (Naples) and other places due to DFL tax policies. Even Lou Nanne had to admit that fundraising was getting harder, as the Dayton tax collectors were harassing seasonal residents and using their donations to charity in Minnesota were being used to penalize them.

People with money have had enough, and their answer is so say no and move to Naples full time.
 




It's always easier (and more fun) spending other people's money.
 

oak_street1981 said:
There was an article in one of business journals this month about MInnesota losing wealth to Florida (Naples) and other places due to DFL tax policies. Even Lou Nanne had to admit that fundraising was getting harder, as the Dayton tax collectors were harassing seasonal residents and using their donations to charity in Minnesota were being used to penalize them.

People with money have had enough, and their answer is so say no and move to Naples full time.
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Please don't turn this into politics. There is plenty of rich people here. they are currently buying season tickets with and for their corporate buddies at the new Viking stadium. Anyone see the price of tickets for the new stadium?? Very expensive.
 


oak_street1981 said:
There was an article in one of business journals this month about MInnesota losing wealth to Florida (Naples) and other places due to DFL tax policies. Even Lou Nanne had to admit that fundraising was getting harder, as the Dayton tax collectors were harassing seasonal residents and using their donations to charity in Minnesota were being used to penalize them.

People with money have had enough, and their answer is so say no and move to Naples full time.
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Florida is a hot, sweaty, disease-infested third world hellhole prone to hurricanes and other of God's retributions, outside of the pockets of civilization around the snowbird and military installations. And considering the level of security necessary there isn't much difference between them.

Minnesota household income is about 25% higher than Florida. If an individual wants to make his money off the prosperous citizens of Minnesota and the run to Florida to avoid "giving back" I think that says something. Narcissism, sociopathic, what have you.

None of this has anything to do with football, except it seems like U alumni are being a little tight-fisted and one has to wonder why. This is their chance to leave a lasting legacy on the school that got them started and the citizens that helped subsidize them. Maybe they are saying F that and running to Florida instead. I'm hearing that's the new thing.
 



Clearly politics do affect the U's financial bottom line. And politics can also affect the decisions of those who have the ability make the large donations we're talking about.

Florida is in the top 10 states for business climate and Minnesota is in the bottom 10. The more the state takes away from someone with money, the less they have for discretionary things like donations. And if what that business journal says is correct that donations are being used to further penalize, the incentive for donations is even less. It makes sense at least some would want to go somewhere where the tax climate is more favorable. This type of thing is happening outside the US, too. Look at the high profile people leaving Paris due to the heavy handed tax policies there.

Add to that, the state legislature's unwillingness to provide money to the U for these types of projects and it's clear that the state's policies do have an effect on the U's ability to keep up with the competition.
 

It does seem that a case could be made that the pro sports teams should be helping out with funding this type of project. Isn't it to their benefit that the U's teams attract the top athletes to Minnesota? And wouldn't good publicity for Minnesota, like Ohio State is getting for winning the national championship, also benefit the pro teams?
 

Top 10 thread for chuckles. GH really is a bubble.
 

Pro and college sports are in direct competition with each other. The success of one team hurts the other.
 

MisterGopher said:
It does seem that a case could be made that the pro sports teams should be helping out with funding this type of project. Isn't it to their benefit that the U's teams attract the top athletes to Minnesota? And wouldn't good publicity for Minnesota, like Ohio State is getting for winning the national championship, also benefit the pro teams?
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How?
 

When in the history of college athletics has a "Pro Sports Team" contributed money towards a capital project in major collegiate athletics? I have no idea when something like this has ever occured.
 

Mvgopher said:
You know he isn't because we're not being taxed.
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This is where you are wrong. Because we're not being taxed, the Gov. is very interested in us and finding out a way to make sure we're doing our fare share to fund whatever silly thing the government wants to do next.

This is not a political jab at the Gov. Dayton is no better or worse than any other politician in that regard, although he is more entertaining than most. I knew we'd solved all of Minnesota's pressing issues when he jumped into the 11am kick-off fray. God help us get to the day when that is the most pressing problem the Gov. of Minnesota is college football kick-off times.
 

MisterGopher said:
It does seem that a case could be made that the pro sports teams should be helping out with funding this type of project. Isn't it to their benefit that the U's teams attract the top athletes to Minnesota? And wouldn't good publicity for Minnesota, like Ohio State is getting for winning the national championship, also benefit the pro teams?
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All of tOSU's championships over the years have really helped Cincinnati and Cleveland...:p

A pro team winning may help a college team by having winning associated with a city (stretch at best but could influence some recruits) but a college team being successful or not has zero impact on the pro team EXCEPT that they are competing for the same customers. Most pro teams would just as soon have the college teams be terrible so no one wanted to buy college tickets and instead bought pro tickets. That's why you almost never see joint promotions. Obviously they will never openly say they don't want the home team to be successful (don't want to alienate their fans), but behind the scenes the pro teams don't care if the college teams ever win a game.
 

caliGopher said:
This is where you are wrong. Because we're not being taxed, the Gov. is very interested in us and finding out a way to make sure we're doing our fare share to fund whatever silly thing the government wants to do next.

This is not a political jab at the Gov. Dayton is no better or worse than any other politician in that regard, although he is more entertaining than most. I knew we'd solved all of Minnesota's pressing issues when he jumped into the 11am kick-off fray. God help us get to the day when that is the most pressing problem the Gov. of Minnesota is college football kick-off times.
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Or student season ticket packages.... :cool:
 

caliGopher said:
This is not a political jab at the Gov. Dayton is no better or worse than any other politician in that regard, although he is more entertaining than most. I knew we'd solved all of Minnesota's pressing issues when he jumped into the 11am kick-off fray. God help us get to the day when that is the most pressing problem the Gov. of Minnesota is college football kick-off times.
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e.bigelow said:
Or student season ticket packages.... :cool:
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Oh come on you guys, it's uniform combos and you know it.:cool02:
 

Pompous Elitist said:
Florida is a hot, sweaty, disease-infested third world hellhole prone to hurricanes and other of God's retributions, outside of the pockets of civilization around the snowbird and military installations. And considering the level of security necessary there isn't much difference between them.

Minnesota household income is about 25% higher than Florida. If an individual wants to make his money off the prosperous citizens of Minnesota and the run to Florida to avoid "giving back" I think that says something. Narcissism, sociopathic, what have you.

None of this has anything to do with football, except it seems like U alumni are being a little tight-fisted and one has to wonder why. This is their chance to leave a lasting legacy on the school that got them started and the citizens that helped subsidize them. Maybe they are saying F that and running to Florida instead. I'm hearing that's the new thing.
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It's silly for those that have worked to achieve a certain level of success to want to retain their money?

As far as Florida being a "hot, sweaty, disease-infested third world hellhole prone to hurricanes", it's not just Florida. People are moving to other places where the weather is warmer and there are either NO state income taxes (Texas, Nevada, Florida, et al), or the tax situation is a lot more palatable.

It DOES make a difference.

As far as donations and U alumni, I don't know what the whole answer is. I know that in general Minnesotans are pretty cheap and they fancy themselves as being "smarter" than those in other states who DO contribute more heavily to such things and support their sports teams, both collegiate and professional. I really don't know for sure.
 

Ogee Oglethorpe said:
As far as Florida being a "hot, sweaty, disease-infested third world hellhole prone to hurricanes", it's not just Florida. People are moving to other places where the weather is warmer and there are either NO state income taxes (Texas, Nevada, Florida, et al), or the tax situation is a lot more palatable.
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O.K. Three hot, sweaty, disease-infested third world hellholes with two prone to hurricanes and another a prime candidate to become the nation's nuclear waste dump. If by et al you mean places you don't have to pay taxes because it will make your life so much better, than I'm guessing you mean Venezuela and Somalia.
 

loki said:
Please don't turn this into politics. There is plenty of rich people here. they are currently buying season tickets with and for their corporate buddies at the new Viking stadium. Anyone see the price of tickets for the new stadium?? Very expensive.
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This is absolutely about DFL/ Dayton tax policy and how it is hurting donations from the big money snowbird crowd to Minnesota non-profits. The article I saw (and Lou Nanne also referenced this problem I the Dan B show) is the Dayton Revenue Department is splitting hairs and aggressively trying to define snowbirds as full time Minnesota residents and soak these people for more taxes, thus further re-distributing wealth.

These people are getting pissed and are not donating as they used to, and this a big problem for the U of M and others. You can stick your head in the sand all you want, but these wealthy retirees will not put up with this type of action, and some of them are probably DFLers.
 

MNGoldenGophers1 said:
O.K. Three hot, sweaty, disease-infested third world hellholes with two prone to hurricanes and another a prime candidate to become the nation's nuclear waste dump. If by et al you mean places you don't have to pay taxes because it will make your life so much better, than I'm guessing you mean Venezuela and Somalia.
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Ummmm... who said anything about "NO" taxes? Are you on the right thread here or did you get sidetracked somewhere?

Et al in this case can mean just about anything you want; it could mean the other 6 states that don't have any state income tax (I opted to only list the 3 warmest), OR, it could mean any of the 8 other states that have a flat income tax rate (virtually all of which are lower than MN's), or if you really want it could mean the OTHER 20-30 states that currently have a state income tax lower than MN.

Which of those would you prefer?
 

Ogee Oglethorpe said:
Ummmm... who said anything about "NO" taxes? Are you on the right thread here or did you get sidetracked somewhere?

Et al in this case can mean just about anything you want; it could mean the other 6 states that don't have any state income tax (I opted to only list the 3 warmest), OR, it could mean any of the 8 other states that have a flat income tax rate (virtually all of which are lower than MN's), or if you really want it could mean the OTHER 20-30 states that currently have a state income tax lower than MN.

Which of those would you prefer?
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None of the above.
 

oak_street1981 said:
This is absolutely about DFL/ Dayton tax policy and how it is hurting donations from the big money snowbird crowd to Minnesota non-profits. The article I saw (and Lou Nanne also referenced this problem I the Dan B show) is the Dayton Revenue Department is splitting hairs and aggressively trying to define snowbirds as full time Minnesota residents and soak these people for more taxes, thus further re-distributing wealth.

These people are getting pissed and are not donating as they used to, and this a big problem for the U of M and others. You can stick your head in the sand all you want, but these wealthy retirees will not put up with this type of action, and some of them are probably DFLers.
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That BS. The tax law in the state of residence determines how the donation is taxed or not taxed. I do taxes, and if you have no income in Minnesota, you have no tax.

Minnesota Revenue, even in the Ventura & Pawlenty days, has always tried to crack down on snowbirds. People might have to give up a couple months of nice weather here to spend their 183 days in Florida, but it's worth it to them.
 


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