Yet another transfer to Iowa State: Will Clyburn

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EG#9 said:
http://www.desmoinesregister.com/ar...-Will-Clyburn-transferring-from-Utah-Cyclones

Averaged 17 ppg and 7 rpg for Utah last year. He joins Lucious in sitting out next year and having one year remaining to play at ISU. You can't maintain a program like this, but the type of talent Hoiberg is getting in to Ames is shocking. Can he get guys to work together when they have only 1-2 years to make their mark?
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If they are seniors, it is kind of fred's way or the highway, they don't have many options left.
 

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EG#9 said:
You can't maintain a program like this.
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It's going to be interesting to find out the next couple years whether that is true, at least on a short-term basis. There shouldn't be a dull moment in Ames next winter. That could be a really good thing for Cyclone fans, or a really bad thing. I think how this pans out for ISU will be one of the national college basketball stories worth watching next season.
 

I think it will also be interesting to know how Hoiberg does now without Bobby Lutz on the bench next to him. The former Charlotte head coach was Freddy's right hand man, often drawing up plays and running practices. Lutz left to be the top assistant at NC State. ISU wasn't anything too great last year, but Lutz certainly lessened the impact of Hoiberg having no previous coaching experience at any level.
 

Is there a method behind Hoiberg's madness? Is he trying to elevate the program by any means necessary in the near-term in order to improve recruiting in the future or will he always go after these castoffs?
 



I think Freddy is just trying to get an immediate influx of talent to the program. Looks like he has established a pretty solid core of guys. I think the amount of transfers to their program will start to slow down, just my opinion, time will tell I guess.
 

FTB - Hoiberg's status

Fred has a very very long leash in Ames. He is easily the most popualr palyer ever to play at ISU. The only real equivalent I can think of that would be comaprable in the Twin Cities market is if Harmon Killebrew was named the Twins' manager.

Even Kevin McHale as Timebrwolves coach/gm wasn't as popular (when he started...) -> and Kevin was given a lot of latitude with the T-pups, allowed to make a lot of mistakes. Fred likely will be allowed to make even more at Ames before he ever gets in trouble....
 

At worst, Fred simply becomes a footnote like Clyde Drexler (failed head coach at alma mater). At best, he's no longer just the Mayor of Ames, he becomes the "Governor" as well.
 



What does he have to lose? Iowa State's been irrelevant for years, and it's not like they're going to get much better by traditional means. If I was an ISU fan I'd love what he's doing.
 

Eye of the Gopher said:
I think Freddy is just trying to get an immediate influx of talent to the program. Looks like he has established a pretty solid core of guys. I think the amount of transfers to their program will start to slow down, just my opinion, time will tell I guess.
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I'm not so certain about that. It seems like he's running a college program in an NBA-style - acquiring proven talent from other teams, and using his leadership ability to manage egos and head-cases. If Diante Garrett is any indication, he's got a method of getting a nothing player seem like an NBA possibility. That can be a selling point for talent.

I agree with whoever said this will be a very interesting national story next year. If ISU is successful, i think we'll see a copycat trend, especially from coaches taking over mediocre programs. And ADs will start looking to the NBA for coaching (read: ego management) talent. If it's successful.
 

It will be interesting to see if they can come together as a team and play defense. They will have the shooters with Allen, Babb, and White eligible next year.
 

jovs said:
It will be interesting to see if they can come together as a team and play defense. They will have the shooters with Allen, Babb, and White eligible next year.
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They'll also have Christopherson who shot 44% from 3pt range last year and McGee who shot just short of 50% in JuCo from 3. Take all of the shooters and add in an athletic wing in Ejim, legit posts in White, Booker and Godfrey. Should be interesting.
 



There is, in my opinion, method to Fred's madness. When he took over in Ames, ISU had three returning players on his roster. He could have attempted to load up on a bunch of marginal spring recruits that would likely not pan out or he could build for the future by bringing in transfers that would bring experience and talent to his team in his second year. In year one he had seniors Jamie Vanderbeken and Diante Garrett as well as fourth year junior Scott Christopherson so he needed some players for them to practice against and he needed to add some players that would have experience in year two. So he added Babb, Booker, White and Allen. In doing so, he filled the roster to where we would have practice bodies and immediately replace the seniors that we would be losing after year one.

Now we get to spring after his first season. Fred had a fall signee reclassify to 2012 and a player transfer in Eric McKnight and had two scholarships open up. He could have used the scholarships on some spring signees, but his roster for next year really does not have a glaring need unless it is an experienced point guard and those are not easy to find, so he opted to sign Lucious and Clyburn who will be available to practice this year and then come in to replace the losses of Allen and Christopherson when they graduate.

Since 2004, Iowa State has signed 18 spring players. Of those 18, 6 made it to the start of a second season in Ames. Most either bombed out due to poor character or transferred once they realized they were not Big 12 caliber players, which is why they were available in the spring. I would MUCH rather we take a proven player in the spring via transfer than to sign a player that would wash out after a year.

ISU has been bad for several years and success leads to better recruiting. If ISU can turn things around and win next year and in 2012, Fred will be able to get better players to listen and sign in the fall. But for now, the blueprint he used to fill the roster, balance the classes and infuse talent has been laid. No one knows if the results will work out in his favor or not, but I cannot fault the logic much.
 

FarmerClone said:
There is, in my opinion, method to Fred's madness. When he took over in Ames, ISU had three returning players on his roster. He could have attempted to load up on a bunch of marginal spring recruits that would likely not pan out or he could build for the future by bringing in transfers that would bring experience and talent to his team in his second year. In year one he had seniors Jamie Vanderbeken and Diante Garrett as well as fourth year junior Scott Christopherson so he needed some players for them to practice against and he needed to add some players that would have experience in year two. So he added Babb, Booker, White and Allen. In doing so, he filled the roster to where we would have practice bodies and immediately replace the seniors that we would be losing after year one.

Now we get to spring after his first season. Fred had a fall signee reclassify to 2012 and a player transfer in Eric McKnight and had two scholarships open up. He could have used the scholarships on some spring signees, but his roster for next year really does not have a glaring need unless it is an experienced point guard and those are not easy to find, so he opted to sign Lucious and Clyburn who will be available to practice this year and then come in to replace the losses of Allen and Christopherson when they graduate.

Since 2004, Iowa State has signed 18 spring players. Of those 18, 6 made it to the start of a second season in Ames. Most either bombed out due to poor character or transferred once they realized they were not Big 12 caliber players, which is why they were available in the spring. I would MUCH rather we take a proven player in the spring via transfer than to sign a player that would wash out after a year.

ISU has been bad for several years and success leads to better recruiting. If ISU can turn things around and win next year and in 2012, Fred will be able to get better players to listen and sign in the fall. But for now, the blueprint he used to fill the roster, balance the classes and infuse talent has been laid. No one knows if the results will work out in his favor or not, but I cannot fault the logic much.
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Say what you will about the strategy, but you gotta be impressed with Hoiberg so far. It's like he's an entrepreneur within the college coaching ranks, and has a totally new idea for how to build a program. I kinda wish we'd gone after Clyburn.
 




Iowa State -the trouble begins

So many have been commenting about the collection of players at Iowa State. Pretty high risk to reward effort to build an immediate contender. With the latest news, next season is not off to a good start at Iowa State.

AMES, Iowa -- Iowa State center Jordan Railey has been suspended indefinitely by coach Fred Hoiberg following his arrest for allegedly fighting in public.......Hoiberg said in a statement that he's still gathering information on the incident but is disappointed in Railey's behavior because it was a second offense.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=6353819
 


However, Railey was a freshman last year, not a transfer where so much of the 'controversy' has centered. You'd think young Railey's on awfully thin ice (if not broken through), especially when you consider the minimal contributions he made last year.
 

Last Chance Motel?

SelectionSunday said:
It's going to be interesting to find out the next couple years whether that is true, at least on a short-term basis. There shouldn't be a dull moment in Ames next winter. That could be a really good thing for Cyclone fans, or a really bad thing. I think how this pans out for ISU will be one of the national college basketball stories worth watching next season.
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Any success ISU has had in the past has come because of players that transfer in. This exerpt is from a blog on Cyclone Fanatic:

"I found this Hoiberg quote very telling in a recent chat with the Des Moines Register’s Randy Peterson:

“I talk to Tim Floyd quite a bit. He kept an eye on what we were doing, and I asked him advice on countless things. He’s been through it. I have great admiration for the way he coaches the game. He’s won at Iowa State. He knows the types of players it takes to be successful here.”

So what type of players did Tim Floyd get? His ’95-96 Big 8 tournament champions and ’96-97 Sweet 16 squad included starters: Dedric Willoughby — transfer from New Orleans, Kelvin Cato — transfer from South Alabama, Kenny Pratt — transfer from College of Eastern Utah, Shawn Bankhead — transfer from College of Southern Idaho.

Larry Eustachy’s ’99-00 crew featured: Jamaal Tinsley — transfer from Mt. Jacinto Junior College, Kantrail Horton — transfer from Utah State, Michael Nurse — transfer from New York’s Monroe College, Richard Evans — transfer from Kilgore College.

Notice a pattern?

Iowa State has had their most success in the recent past when they operated less like a boarding school and more like a last chance motel."

Full article here:
http://www.cyclonefanatic.com/cyclone-recruiting/blum-last-chance-motel
 

Dedric Willoughby & the '97 Midwest Regional semifinals

That's interesting. I didn't realize how much ISU has relied on transfers/jucos.

Dedric Willoughby. ... now there's a name from the past. He could really fill it up. I certainly remember seeing his 34-point, 8-threes performance vs. Steve Lavin's UCLA squad in the 1997 regional semifinals in San Antonio. Far & away the best single session of basketball I've ever seen. ... Gophers 90, Clemson 84 in overtime followed by UCLA 74, Iowa State 73 in overtime.
 

SoMplsHawkI said:
Any success ISU has had in the past has come because of players that transfer in.
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False.

The best player in the history of ISU basketball, Marcus Fizer, played exclusively at Iowa St. He was (and still is) the only McDonald's All-American to sign with the school out of HS, and led them to their only Elite Eight finish in the post-1985 64+ team era.
 

I might dispute you on the best player of all-time for Iowa State DP-while I like Fizer's game and impact, I think back to Jeff Grayer from the Johnny Orr era. He also spent his entire career at Iowa State, as did Victor Alexander, another top player from that era who went onto the NBA. Both were four year players for Iowa State.

Another four year player for Iowa State was Lafester Rhodes, who played with Grayer and Alexander. He might not resonate with Gopher fans, but because of him I've always had a soft spot for the Cyclones. I was in high school, living in the country of SE MN with three channels available through the rabbit ears and the only college basketball came from Mason City, Iowa, which broadcast Iowa games. The announcers for the Hawkeyes were the most biased pair I've ever come across and I could hardly stand listening, but it was my lifeline to college basketball at the time. One magical night, Lafester Rhodes dropped 54 points on the Hawkeyes and lead the Cyclones to a 102-100 OT victory and it was wonderful to watch and to shut up those biased announcers for at least one night.

http://www.cyclones.com//ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=10700&ATCLID=1311355
 


Wouldn't be suprised to see them add another transfer in the next month or so with Olu Ashaolu from La Tech.
 

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