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It's funny how the last couple years many posters on this site were saying that the Wisconsin program with Beliema is going down. We were the program that was on the rise. Now the opposite is true. We're the program that is going down and Wisconsin is ascending once again.
 

Funny how? I mean, what's funny about it?

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If you ask Wisconsin fans (whom I live amongst), they do think their program is going down, and that BB isn't a good coach, most would rather see him go. Granted, a victory over tOSU would change their minds rather quickly, but they just don't see themselves getting to a BCS bowl w/ Bret.

So while Minnesota is down, and in much worse shape than Wisconsin, it could be said that Wisconsin's program is in a (slight) decline.
 

Many posters were bashing the Wisconsin program about it's downfall and acting liking Brewster had already won a couple National titles. I don't like the Wisconsin coach but posters were jumping to conclusions to early.
 


11-1, 9-4, 7-6, 10-3, ranked 18th this year. I don't know what Wisconsin fans are all mad about. They've had some pretty good years without Alveraz.
 

Trust me, I know what you're talking about Gold04...I openly told them, if they don't like an 9-3, we'd gladly take it...but I do have problems with the iowa tattoo. They got spoiled off Barry (which, is really not that good an excuse, when you consider he was a 7.5-4.5 coach...yes, he had Rose Bowls though).

But that's where they're at, I can't really rationalize it, but rather just tell about it.
 


gold04 said:
Many posters were bashing the Wisconsin program about it's downfall and acting liking Brewster had already won a couple National titles. I don't like the Wisconsin coach but posters were jumping to conclusions to early.
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When in the hell did THAT happen? :eek: When could that have hapened? Maybe from 10/10/08 to 11/01/08? The Wisconsin fans have been complaining big time about B.B. and a lot of Gopher fans, me among them I'll add, thought that he couldn't maintain Barry's level of success, even with Badger coeds. We were wrong about that, though he has he got them to a Rose Bowl yet?

The b$^%^$$t is talking about "many posters..acting like Brewster" had won some National Championships. Gees, he got to 7-1 and then lost to Northwestern. Prior to that he had a lousy record and after that it's pretty bad as well.

So the purpose of the thread is to complain about the lack of respect for B.B., you're pissed that anybody ever thought Brewster may turn out to be a decent coach, your trying to brag about how you were never fooled by Brewster even for a few weeks 3 years ago or that every poster didn't spend week after week demanding that Hohensee replace him? :rolleyes:
 



The guy needs a coaching card to make a decision. What happens if it rains and the ink runs everywhere. Maybe he spilled water on his card in Lansing?
 

The WI fans I know felt the program had stalled under BB, at least going into this year. The felt they were still a realistic top 3-4 program in the BigTen, but that getting to the Rose Bowl was less likely with BB compared to BA. They cite BB's less than stellar (5-11) against ranked programs. One friend even compared them to the twins, they mop up on the teams worse than they are, but struggle against quality opponents.
 

monk10 said:
The guy needs a coaching card to make a decision. What happens if it rains and the ink runs everywhere. Maybe he spilled water on his card in Lansing?
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It's laminated - duh.

I mean, Bielema might be a complete f---stick and unable to get any woman over the age of 20 to sleep with him, but he's nothing if not a master of paper-related hydrological engineering.
 

dpodoll68 said:
It's laminated - duh.

I mean, Bielema might be a complete f---stick and unable to get any woman over the age of 20 to sleep with him, but he's nothing if not a master of paper-related hydrological engineering.
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Foiled again. We are doomed for another year not to have the Axe!!!!!
 



Iceland12 said:
When in the hell did THAT happen? :eek: When could that have hapened? Maybe from 10/10/08 to 11/01/08? The Wisconsin fans have been complaining big time about B.B. and a lot of Gopher fans, me among them I'll add, thought that he couldn't maintain Barry's level of success, even with Badger coeds. We were wrong about that, though he has hegot them to a Rose Bowl yet?

The b$^%^$$t is talking about "many posters..acting like Brewster" had won some National Championships. Gees, he got to 7-1 and then lost to Northwestern. Prior to that he had a lousy record and after that it's pretty bad as well.

So the purpose of the thread is to complain about the lack of respect for B.B., you're pissed that anybody ever thought Brewster may turn out to be a decent coach, your trying to brag about how you were never fooled by Brewster even for a few weeks 3 years ago or that every poster didn't spend week after week demanding that Hohensee replace him? :rolleyes:
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There are a few posters here made it seem like everyone was saying "Brewster is an awesome coach" or "He will lead us to a bunch of Rose Bowls." That never happened. Posters were optimistic and decided to look at the positive things instead of ripping into everything Brewster did.
 

dpodoll68 said:
It's laminated - duh.

I mean, Bielema might be a complete f---stick and unable to get any woman over the age of 20 to sleep with him, but he's nothing if not a master of paper-related hydrological engineering.
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You say that like it's a bad thing.

JK
 

Wisconsin has a good solid program. I don't see them going away. Maybe their "spikes" won't be as high under Bielema as under Alvarez (nor as consistently), but they are a program that has installed a mind-set and has kept working within the framework of that mind-set. That's what has to happen here.
 

GophersInIowa said:
There are a few posters here made it seem like everyone was saying "Brewster is an awesome coach" or "He will lead us to a bunch of Rose Bowls." That never happened. Posters were optimistic and decided to look at the positive things instead of ripping into everything Brewster did.
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I would say the same number of UW fans, if not less, think BB should go as Gopher fans thought Brewster would lead you to multiple Rose Bowls. Badger fans may not be completely sold on BB, but he is a solid coach - very few think he "should go." I would tend to think that Gopher fans speaking to Badger fans may just possibly exaggerate any negative comments made about BB.:rolleyes:
 

50PoundHead said:
Wisconsin has a good solid program. I don't see them going away. Maybe their "spikes" won't be as high under Bielema as under Alvarez (nor as consistently), but they are a program that has installed a mind-set and has kept working within the framework of that mind-set. That's what has to happen here.
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So... no highs (Rose Bowls) and no lows either (winless in the Big Ten)? Isn't that what we like to call mediocrity here in Minnesota?
 

Goldmember said:
So... no highs (Rose Bowls) and no lows either (winless in the Big Ten)? Isn't that what we like to call mediocrity here in Minnesota?
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No they will be consistently in between third and fifth every year in the big ten (slightly above average). In the years in which they finish 3rd they will be on contention for a big ten title into November. While not a top tier program it isn't mediocrity either.

For probably 10 of the 12 big ten teams going forward the ability to win a the conference will come down to scheduling. Did your program catch a good team in tandem with a relatively weak BigTen schedule and what type of schedule do Nebraska and Ohio State have (do they play each other).
 

I think Gold04 is referring to comments made between the '08 and '09 timeframe. The facts show from 2006-08 (BB's first three years) Wisconsin's record did get worse each year. The Gophers improved from year 1 to 2 under Brewster. So people saying we were getting better while they were getting worse were factually correct. The problem for us is that the convergence stopped and the trends changed.
 

Goldmember said:
So... no highs (Rose Bowls) and no lows either (winless in the Big Ten)? Isn't that what we like to call mediocrity here in Minnesota?
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That's not what I'm saying at all. They may still head to Rose Bowls. It's just that Alvarez is the gold standard by which Wisconsin football will be measured and that Bielema probably won't reach those heights. I actually think Bielema's a decent coach. I thought his two-point conversion business was silly and uncalled for, but one can't argue with his record as head coach.
 

Silvio said:
No they will be consistently in between third and fifth every year in the big ten (slightly above average). In the years in which they finish 3rd they will be on contention for a big ten title into November. While not a top tier program it isn't mediocrity either.

For probably 10 of the 12 big ten teams going forward the ability to win a the conference will come down to scheduling. Did your program catch a good team in tandem with a relatively weak BigTen schedule and what type of schedule do Nebraska and Ohio State have (do they play each other).
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This^^^

Goldmember: I think you're misrepresenting what most on here think is the appropriate level of success to shoot for. WI/IA level is what most would consider the right level to aspire to. We're not one of the big boys anymore, not even close. But we have the pieces to build a solid program like WI or IA.

Mason never finished above a TIE for 4th in the Big Ten. His average win total in conference each year was 3-5. He rarely won the rivalry games. That is a pretty good example of mediocre.
 

Silvio said:
No they will be consistently in between third and fifth every year in the big ten (slightly above average). In the years in which they finish 3rd they will be on contention for a big ten title into November. While not a top tier program it isn't mediocrity either.
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Oh okay. I'm never sure what the benchmark for "medicority" is going to be. It gets so confusing. And it seems to change all the time. But you seem quite certain. 3rd-5th is apparently better than mediocre, but not "top tier".

BTW, Wisconsin finnished in a 3-way tie for 6th in Big Ten last year.
 

Goldmember said:
BTW, Wisconsin finnished in a 3-way tie for 6th in Big Ten last year.
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Um no. First off, they finished in a tie for 4th place with NW. Second, they were 10-3 (5-3 in the Big Ten) with hardfought losses to Iowa (Orange Bowl winner) and OSU (Rose Bowl winner) plus the WTF loss to Northwestern. This is better then any season Mason ever had here other than 2003 which I'd say was the same level of success (his 5-3 B10 record in 1999 included losses to the 6th and 8th place teams).
 

I don't think mediocre means the same for both programs. Here's what it really is.

Minnesota's bad season- going 1-11 and 0-8 in the Big Ten.
Minnesota's mediocre- going 7-6, getting to a lower tier bowl game like the Insight and losing.
Minnesota's great season- going 9-4 and beating MSU/NW out for a bid to the Outback bowl.

Wisconsin's bad season- going 7-6, going to the Champs Bowl and losing to Florida State
Wisconsin's mediocre- going 10-3 or 11-2 going to the Capital One Bowl or Outback and winning.
Wisconsin's great season- Winning the Rose Bowl. Period.

It's about fan's standards. If you've had a winning program, your standards demand more wins and bigger prizes. I don't think anyone would argue that Wisconsin fans' standards are higher than Minnesota's fan base's standards.
 

Yeah. If Wisconsin goes 11-2 this year, all we'll hear about is what a mediocre season it was. Please.
 

Why not? Chances are 11-2 is not nearly enough to get to the Rose Bowl and in a year like this when Wisconsin fans have expecting a return to the Rose Bowl, you can bet that anything less will be just another 'mediocre' less-than-Rose-Bowl team. It's about what you're used to.

For us, we're used to going 11-2, 10-3, and 9-4. We go to decent bowls year in and year out with those records. It's the norm. It happens all the time. It's 'OK'. It's MEDIOCRE.
 


Regdab said:
Why not? Chances are 11-2 is not nearly enough to get to the Rose Bowl and in a year like this when Wisconsin fans have expecting a return to the Rose Bowl, you can bet that anything less will be just another 'mediocre' less-than-Rose-Bowl team. It's about what you're used to.

For us, we're used to going 11-2, 10-3, and 9-4. We go to decent bowls year in and year out with those records. It's the norm. It happens all the time. It's 'OK'. It's MEDIOCRE.
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Uh.....hate to break it to you, but Wisconsin averaged less than 8 wins per season over the last 20 years and much much less over the last 20+ years.
 

Jackson5 said:
Uh.....hate to break it to you, but Wisconsin averaged less than 8 wins per season over the last 20 years and much much less over the last 20+ years.
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20 years isn't relevant. College football did not begin until 1994.
 

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