Will Trey Zeigler be looking to transfer somewhere? UPDATED (4/7): Zeigler to Pitt

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That would be excellent if he came here. Understatement.
 

I think we are about due for a surprise coming in, instead of a surprise going out.
 


If he did transfer out, why wouldn't he just go to MSU? I'm sure Izzo would take him in a cocaine heartbeat.
 


dpodoll68 said:
If he did transfer out, why wouldn't he just go to MSU? I'm sure Izzo would take him in a cocaine heartbeat.
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I'd think that is a good possibility.. but why wouldn't he? Could be any number of reasons. One could be... he may enjoy being 'the man' and want to be THE guy if he transfers. He takes a look over at Michigan State and while 2013-14 is a long ways off, he's looking at three McDonald's All-Americans in Appling, Harris and Dawson ahead of him...

PS: > $2MM
 

GW, by all accounts, Zeigler would be worth the wait (as a transfer) if he chose a school like, say, Minnesota? I know his numbers are good, but has he been as good as advertised at CMU? Thanks.
 

SelectionSunday said:
GW, by all accounts, Zeigler would be worth the wait (as a transfer) if he chose a school like, say, Minnesota? I know his numbers are good, but has he been as good as advertised at CMU? Thanks.
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I tend to like big guards with great length like Trey has, but overall I'd say he hasn't lived up to potential as of yet. Team won 11 games this year and that was an improvement over last year... offensively has not been efficient at all and two of the large factors in that are not likely to get substantially better (horrible free throw shooter and not a good three-point shooter).

Nonetheless, I think most teams would be ecstatic to get him.. great all-around player who will want the ball when it matters. Highly, highly talented.. but no, not as good as advertised at Central Michigan in terms of adding value that equates into team victories.
 





If Ernie Zeigler wound up on staff at Minnesota...
 






Tubby likes to work with kids with a family coaching background - could be a good fit.
 

I might be more curious about Ernie Zeigler-I see he was with Ben Howland at both Pitt and UCLA before being hired at Central Michigan. I wonder how key of a recruiter he was with those teams; Pitt and those early Howland UCLA teams really dug up some under the radar talents.
 

I remember that CMU game and Zeigler was about all CMU had to offer, thus he took it upon himself to hoist up nearly 20 shots. He got off to a poor start then kept shooting and got his 20+, almost getting hurt at Williams in the process. He was a bit raw, but likely because he felt he had to do too much. He'd be a fine addition for the Gophers, but my preference would be Oscar Robertson.
 

Gopher Warrior said:
I tend to like big guards with great length like Trey has, but overall I'd say he hasn't lived up to potential as of yet. Team won 11 games this year and that was an improvement over last year... offensively has not been efficient at all and two of the large factors in that are not likely to get substantially better (horrible free throw shooter and not a good three-point shooter).

Nonetheless, I think most teams would be ecstatic to get him.. great all-around player who will want the ball when it matters. Highly, highly talented.. but no, not as good as advertised at Central Michigan in terms of adding value that equates into team victories.
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I'd be interested to know where Ziegler ranked in your offensive efficiency stat. I don't know how to compute it, but I would have to think that Ziegler was one of the more inefficient offensive players in the country last year. He hoisted up 431 shots and took 194 free throws to average 15 points per game. While 46% from the floor is okay, he was only 29% from 3pt range and 49% from the FT line.
 

tjgopher said:
I'd be interested to know where Ziegler ranked in your offensive efficiency stat. I don't know how to compute it, but I would have to think that Ziegler was one of the more inefficient offensive players in the country last year. He hoisted up 431 shots and took 194 free throws to average 15 points per game. While 46% from the floor is okay, he was only 29% from 3pt range and 49% from the FT line.
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Do you mean eFG% (effective FG%)? If so, I just calculated it to be 47.4% If you mean PER(Player Efficiency Rating), I can't help you with that. Too complicated of a calculation.
 


tjgopher said:
I'd be interested to know where Ziegler ranked in your offensive efficiency stat. I don't know how to compute it, but I would have to think that Ziegler was one of the more inefficient offensive players in the country last year. He hoisted up 431 shots and took 194 free throws to average 15 points per game. While 46% from the floor is okay, he was only 29% from 3pt range and 49% from the FT line.
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Short answer: His rank isn't impressive, but I think he'll continue improve.

Longer answer:

Like GV noted, his Offensive Rating (ORtg) was 95.x (depending on your source it can vary just a tiny bit, but it's all about the same) which was negatively affected by the things we've talked about in this thread. However, he does a lot of things well and is capable of producing a very good ORtg in the future (and I think he will, whether it's at CMU or elsewhere).

The ORtg measures personal offensive efficiency. While it's a precise measurement, taking two players and simply comparing their ORtg doesn't necessarily tell you much.

Going a little bit deeper (see www.crackedsidewalks.com for an explanation of Offensive Value Add), Zeigler did add a little bit of offensive value although not much. This measurement is far more complex than a personal efficiency calculation, but I think far more telling. A key thing to remember (and it's important when looking at a team like Minnesota and its players) is that players who both (a) are more involved in the offense and (b) play more can generate more value to the team.

Zeigler played almost 4 of every 5 minutes and was used in 31.6% of his team's possession. That is significant.

Not to get into this too much here, but when I look at the potential of teams in the future, one thing I try to do is look at which players I think are capable of adding significant value. ORtg is certainly important, but you also must consider how involved in the offense the player will be and how much they'll play. (and if a guy is going to be called on to do more, what will that do to his ORtg?.. diminishing returns, forcing, etc.)
 

Can I ask why there is so much interest in this kid? We didn't recruit him and he's not from Minnesota, why would we have a shot at him or his dad? Just curious.
 


From the Barn said:
I thought we did recruit him.
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Well.. it depends on your definition. You and I may think that if Minnesota shows interest in a player and offers him a scholarship that such actions qualify as 'recruiting'.

MadtownGopher on the other hand probably looks up a website like Rivals and takes whatever is there as complete and accurate.
 


I'm guessing many of you are thinking of Ray McCallum. Similar situation, top 100 talent that went to play for his dad at a smaller school (Detroit). I think we recruited him a lot harder than we recruited Zeigler.
 

rychart45 said:
I'm guessing many of you are thinking of Ray McCallum. Similar situation, top 100 talent that went to play for his dad at a smaller school (Detroit). I think we recruited him a lot harder than we recruited Zeigler.
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Why are you guessing that?

Definitely talking about Zeigler.
 

I apologize profusely for trying to clear up what was seemingly some confusion on this topic. From my recollection (I'm certain you'll let me know if I'm wrong), we recruited both of them, but really had no shot with Zeigler, whereas we reportedly had some steam with McCallum (Tubby and his dad were tight, or something along those lines). Thus, I assumed that some of the did we recruit him/didn't we recruit him confusion could have been explained by the fact that we reportedly had a better shot with McCallum than we did with Zeigler. As I said before, I'm sure you'll let me know if I'm wrong, and if I am wrong, sorry in advance. Sometimes it is OK to admit a mistake...
 


MN definitely recruited Zeigler. The elder Zeigler talked about it in an article (that I can't find now) leading up to the CMU-MN game this year. I think I recall Zeigler talking about Tubby even having an in-home visit with the kid. Now, how serious was Zeigler's interest in MN?? Who knows, other than we know he chose to not attend school here.
 

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