Will Jerry Kill take us to the rose bowl?

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So i posting this question, do you think Jerry Kill will take us to the rose bowl in the next 5 to 10 years?
 


Going to be hard to get the team to the Rose Bowl when he isn't likely to even get to the Big 10 championship game.
 





It's been 40 years since the Gophers have gone 6-2 in the Big Ten. Right now, I just want the Gophers to improve.
 

OP Question: " Will Jerry Kill take us to the rose bowl? "


If I could answer the question and know ahead of time that I would be 100% accurate, I would move to Vegas and grow financially with my clairvoyance.
 




gophersfan said:
So i posting this question, do you think Jerry Kill will take us to the rose bowl in the next 5 to 10 years?
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No, because of his health problems Jerry Kill will not be coaching the Gophers 5 to 10 years from now.
 



Tim Riggins said:
Hate to break it to you but Jerry has put his health issues behind him.
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I don't think Kill has been able to put his Intermittent Explosive Disorder behind him yet. Let's hope he can get that under control pretty soon. We can't afford to lose any more starting players.

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Intermittent Explosive Disorder is a condition where a person has sudden outbursts. It can exist by itself or be a symptom of panic disorder, anxiety, ADHD, dementia, seizures, neurologic disorders, as well as bipolar and psychotic disorders. Evaluation and appropriate treatment can greatly help but the cause needs to be determined.

https://www.healthtap.com/#topics/adult-temper-tantrums-disorder
 



Go4Broke said:
I don't think Kill has been able to put his Intermittent Explosive Disorder behind him yet. Let's hope he can get that under control pretty soon. We can't afford to lose any more starting players.

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Intermittent Explosive Disorder is a condition where a person has sudden outbursts. It can exist by itself or be a symptom of panic disorder, anxiety, ADHD, dementia, seizures, neurologic disorders, as well as bipolar and psychotic disorders. Evaluation and appropriate treatment can greatly help but the cause needs to be determined.

https://www.healthtap.com/#topics/adult-temper-tantrums-disorder
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He has no such condition. He's a football coach. Football players sometimes yell at players. A coach yelling at a football player is not an indication of Intermittent Explosive Disorder. That you highlighted the word 'seizures' doesn't change anything.

The DSM-IV criteria for IED include: the occurrence of discrete episodes of failure to resist aggressive impulses that result in violent assault or destruction of property, the degree of aggressiveness expressed during an episode is grossly disproportionate to provocation or precipitating psychosocial stressor, and, as previously stated, diagnosis is made when other mental disorders that may cause violent outbursts (e.g., antisocial personality disorder, attention deficit hyperactivity disorder, borderline personality disorder, oppositional defiant disorder, etc.) have been ruled out. Furthermore, the acts of aggression must not be due to a general medical condition, e.g., a head injury, Alzheimer's disease, etc., or due to substance abuse or medication.[6] Diagnosis is made using a psychiatric interview to affective and behavioral symptoms to the criteria listed in the DSM-IV. The DSM IV-TR is very specific in its definition of Intermittent Explosive Disorder which is defined, essentially, by exclusion of other conditions. The diagnosis requires:
several episodes of impulsive behavior that result in serious damage to either persons or property, wherein
the degree of the aggressiveness is grossly disproportionate to the circumstances or provocation, and
the episodic violence cannot be better accounted for by another mental or physical medical condition.
 

Go4Broke said:
No, because of his health problems Jerry Kill will not be coaching the Gophers 5 to 10 years from now.
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I hate to break it to you but you seem to know as much about Jerry Kill's health situation as you know about A.J. Barker's problems. The one thing we all know by know is that you don't like Jerry Kill.
 


For now any J1 Bowl game would be incredible to this program and recruiting.
 

I agree with the posters that have stated let's see if he can get us to .500 in the conference before we start speculating on his ability to get us to the Rose Bowl.
 

This year we will all see what JK is capable of providing us
 

First priority: no more 25% conference seasons. Those need to be behind us for us to go anywhere.
 

Always a probability I guess. Seeing these threads are always hilarious. The probability is about 1% IMO. Think about how hard it is to get to the rose bowl these days vs. just even a few years ago. I can’t see that happening.....winning week in and week out in the big ten. Jer has what....one big ten road win in two years and some people are thinking rose bowl. The condition on the U of MN football program is in no doubt in a better place than Brewster’s ever had it or was ever going to take it.

I agree with some of the above posts regarding getting to .500 first in the big ten. Road wins in conf play are tough to come by....I mean really tough to come by. I haven’t seen recruiting that brings the core skill set anywhere near rose bowls and it remains to be seen if Jerry Kill can coach them up to get there. Point of the post, focus on having some fun, relax a little bit, support your team by showing up to the game/S, donate to the university and finally quit living in the past. Most people on this board weren’t even alive when the last trip to Pasadena occurred for the gophers.

Peace Gopher Fans
 

MspHawk said:
The condition on the U of MN football program is in no doubt in a better place than Brewster’s ever had it or was ever going to take it.
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Tell us if the condition of the U of MN fo0tball program in a better place than it was under:

- Mason

- Wacker

- Gutekunst

- Holtz

- Salem

- Stoll

Let's see how little you really know about Golden Gopher football.
 

Go4Broke said:
Tell us if the condition of the U of MN fo0tball program in a better place than it was under:

- Mason

- Wacker

- Gutekunst

- Holtz

- Salem

- Stoll

Let's see how little you really know about Golden Gopher football.
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Here we go again......Im not going down this path. Looks like you were so excited to get that post up there you couldnt even write a complete sentence. Im not interested in your proposed debate. Take care.
 

Go4Broke said:
Tell us if the condition of the U of MN fo0tball program in a better place than it was under:

- Mason

- Wacker

- Gutekunst

- Holtz

- Salem

- Stoll

Let's see how little you really know about Golden Gopher football.
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I see that Go4Broke has decided to whine about something other than A.J. Barker. I didn't think he was capable of moving on. Then maybe not. He is still is a big whiner.:cry:
 

I think Jerry Kill's resume prior to the Gophers is as good as any other coach in the Big Ten with the exception of Urban Meyer, so I see no reason why he won't be able to get it done from a coaching standpoint. I'm comparing coaching resume's prior to starting in the Big Ten, obviously some guys have already proven they can coach at the Big Ten level like Pat Fitzgerald, Mark D'Antonio, etc. If you assume that he is as good as the other coaches in the Big Ten, the two other factors that will determine how high we can fly are these:

1. Resources. Do we have the facilities, money, etc. to get to the top? Can we pay to retain our assistants?
2. Minnesota high school talent. I think the day we get to the Rose Bowl coincides with having on average 10+ players per class from Minnesota. We need in-state classes like 2012, and out-of-state classes like 2013. The idea that we can add 3-4 MN kids per year and rely on Florida and Texas for the remaining 15-20 players is a pipe dream. I'm not saying let's offer MN kids who aren't worthy of a D-1 scholarship, just that we will need the MN talent to break for us to make it to the Rose Bowl.
 

Go4Broke said:
Tell us if the condition of the U of MN fo0tball program in a better place than it was under:

- Mason

- Wacker

- Gutekunst

- Holtz

- Salem

- Stoll

Let's see how little you really know about Golden Gopher football.
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What the hell, I'll bite.


Mason came in and after inheriting a HORRIBLE Jim Wacker squad, needed 3 years to get us to a bowl game.

Kill SO FAR has exceeded Mason.


Wacker came in and after inheriting a not so good Gutekunst squad and got to 4 wins in his 2nd year, and 4 wins again in his 5th season and was then let go.

Kill FAR exceeded Wacker and would have to lose almost every game this year to catch up to Wacker.


Gutekunst came in and after inheriting a pretty decent Holtz squad basically never improved the situation, but was somehow able to only win 2 games in both season 3 and season 6 and got fired after the 2nd 2 win season.

Kill had a lot less to work with, but still has come close to matching Gutekunst's first 2 seasons, but I seriously doubt anyone sees him only winning 2 games this year? So for now I'd say its a wash.


Holtz, after inheriting a horrible team, quickly improved the team and got the Gophers to a bowl game in his 2nd season. Then quite and left for Notre Dame and took many of his best recruits with him to Notre Dame.

Kill has come up one game short of matching Holtz's first 2 seasons, but seeing as he didn't quit and take all of his best recruits with him to his next job, I think he can be forgiven for not having quite as quick an impact as Holtz had. And Holtz was a cheater it seems, or at least had less than the rep of an angel, while Kill has a very good reputation.


Salem came in and after inheriting an average team went from 4 to 5 to 6 wins in 3 seasons, then went down to 3 and then to 1 and then got canned.

Kill seems to have outdone Salem SO FAR, and he'd have to do pretty badly to match his next 3 seasons.


Stoll came in and after inheriting a not so glorious team got them to a bowl game in his 2nd season, but then dropped down in season 3 to 4 wins and averaged only 6 wins each of his last 4 seasons before the administration chose to move in another direction.

Kill seems, same as Holtz, to have come up 1 win shy of how Stoll did in his first 2 seasons, but Stoll only winning 4 games in season 3 makes it pretty tough for Kill not to be able to make up for the slightly slower start.





There. Seems out of the 8 candidates, if we ranked them IMMEDIATELY at the end of their 2nd seasons, Kill would rank 4th out of the 8.

If we rank them several months after the season, Kill would rank 3rd out of the 8.

If we rank them according to where we expect Kill to have the team after season 3, he'd probably move up into a kind of 2 or 3 way tie for 1st? I mean, just looking at wins and losses, Brewster got us to 7 wins in his 2nd season and only dropped down to 6 wins in season 2. So taking a conservative view of how good Kill's 3rd season will be, I included Brew in that 3 way tie(knowing in retrospect that he drops WAY down after season 4). I also moved Mason up to #1 as well, as his 8 wins in season 3 kind of made up for his just missing a bowl game in season 2.


And honestly, seeing where all of those 7 coaches had their teams in seasons 3-5, it is VERY HARD for me to imagine Kill not remaining is 1st place from here on out? With Mason as the coach he seems to need to match over the next few seasons. Mason had three 8-10 win seasons in his 3rd-7th seasons. If Kill can match that, how could anyone expect more?! The key will probably be for him to do just that, to match what Mason did in those 5 seasons, without pulling a Michigan collapse, or an NCSU bowl game collapse. Then in season's 8-10 not dropping off like Mason did, with of course his 3rd big bowl game collapse, and the last straw that sent him packing.

From what I've seen of Kill so far, it seems that he has the on the field coaching skills. It is yet to be seen if he has the recruiting skills that even Mason had? It seems that he might, but we have to see these players in action for 2 or 3 more years before we'll really know.


Personally, I think he'll be the best coach we've had here since Bernie Bierman. Yes, that means better than Mason and Murray. Whether that ends up being the case or not, won't be known for many years, imo.
 

I think the Gopher football team will compete for the title in 1-3 years! AMEN!
 

#1nHkyCfbBsbDncSolarDebat said:
What the hell, I'll bite.


Mason came in and after inheriting a HORRIBLE Jim Wacker squad, needed 3 years to get us to a bowl game.

Kill SO FAR has exceeded Mason.


Wacker came in and after inheriting a not so good Gutekunst squad and got to 4 wins in his 2nd year, and 4 wins again in his 5th season and was then let go.

Kill FAR exceeded Wacker and would have to lose almost every game this year to catch up to Wacker.


Gutekunst came in and after inheriting a pretty decent Holtz squad basically never improved the situation, but was somehow able to only win 2 games in both season 3 and season 6 and got fired after the 2nd 2 win season.

Kill had a lot less to work with, but still has come close to matching Gutekunst's first 2 seasons, but I seriously doubt anyone sees him only winning 2 games this year? So for now I'd say its a wash.


Holtz, after inheriting a horrible team, quickly improved the team and got the Gophers to a bowl game in his 2nd season. Then quite and left for Notre Dame and took many of his best recruits with him to Notre Dame.

Kill has come up one game short of matching Holtz's first 2 seasons, but seeing as he didn't quit and take all of his best recruits with him to his next job, I think he can be forgiven for not having quite as quick an impact as Holtz had. And Holtz was a cheater it seems, or at least had less than the rep of an angel, while Kill has a very good reputation.


Salem came in and after inheriting an average team went from 4 to 5 to 6 wins in 3 seasons, then went down to 3 and then to 1 and then got canned.

Kill seems to have outdone Salem SO FAR, and he'd have to do pretty badly to match his next 3 seasons.


Stoll came in and after inheriting a not so glorious team got them to a bowl game in his 2nd season, but then dropped down in season 3 to 4 wins and averaged only 6 wins each of his last 4 seasons before the administration chose to move in another direction.

Kill seems, same as Holtz, to have come up 1 win shy of how Stoll did in his first 2 seasons, but Stoll only winning 4 games in season 3 makes it pretty tough for Kill not to be able to make up for the slightly slower start.





There. Seems out of the 8 candidates, if we ranked them IMMEDIATELY at the end of their 2nd seasons, Kill would rank 4th out of the 8.

If we rank them several months after the season, Kill would rank 3rd out of the 8.

If we rank them according to where we expect Kill to have the team after season 3, he'd probably move up into a kind of 2 or 3 way tie for 1st? I mean, just looking at wins and losses, Brewster got us to 7 wins in his 2nd season and only dropped down to 6 wins in season 2. So taking a conservative view of how good Kill's 3rd season will be, I included Brew in that 3 way tie(knowing in retrospect that he drops WAY down after season 4). I also moved Mason up to #1 as well, as his 8 wins in season 3 kind of made up for his just missing a bowl game in season 2.


And honestly, seeing where all of those 7 coaches had their teams in seasons 3-5, it is VERY HARD for me to imagine Kill not remaining is 1st place from here on out? With Mason as the coach he seems to need to match over the next few seasons. Mason had three 8-10 win seasons in his 3rd-7th seasons. If Kill can match that, how could anyone expect more?! The key will probably be for him to do just that, to match what Mason did in those 5 seasons, without pulling a Michigan collapse, or an NCSU bowl game collapse. Then in season's 8-10 not dropping off like Mason did, with of course his 3rd big bowl game collapse, and the last straw that sent him packing.

From what I've seen of Kill so far, it seems that he has the on the field coaching skills. It is yet to be seen if he has the recruiting skills that even Mason had? It seems that he might, but we have to see these players in action for 2 or 3 more years before we'll really know.


Personally, I think he'll be the best coach we've had here since Bernie Bierman. Yes, that means better than Mason and Murray. Whether that ends up being the case or not, won't be known for many years, imo.
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Very interesting. I'd give you an A and think you have a very realistic, inclusive and well thought out analysis. Here is hoping Coach Kill takes it to the top.

One note: Murray Warmath came in with a a real bang and had a great first year with what he inherited from Wes Fessler. The year was 1954 and it was the first year immediately AFTER Paul Giel had graduated. But, the Gophers still had the MacNamara boys and a few other players....that got him off to a great start. However, what followed for Murray were a few really TOUGH seasons...1958 and 1959 proved almost the "end of the line" for Murray. (That's RIGHT: Murray was totally rebuilding after five seasons on the job...What a SHOCKER...huh? Today we act shocked if a coach has to rebuild after five seasons...it's been going on forever people, and it IS a somewhat normal situation...) They threw garbage on his lawn. Some fans...and the media really did their best to try to run Murray off. (Even Sid Hartman was NOT much of a Warmath fan or supporter when the going got tough. In fact, for a while, Warmath and Hartman had a rather semi-strained relationship and I believe he actually called for Warmath's head. During that time...Sid used to write often about his close personal friend Forrest Evechevski (sp?) the iowa coach. Sid always kind of dreamed that maybe Forrest would come to Minnesota and bring his hot-shot assistant Jerry Burns with him. Much the way Sid did with the name-dropping about Barry Alvarez during the wacker days...) It was Ike Armstrong, the Athletic Director who had a background as being a very good football coach at Idaho (I believe.) Ike stood his ground and stuck his neck out because he KNEW what Murray had in the pipeline and he KNEW that in 1958 & 1959 there had been key injuries to such STARS as TOM BROWN, one of the GREATEST defenders to EVER play for the Gophers Thanks to Ike Armstorng, Murray survived and in 1960, the Gophers won the "mythical NationalChampionship." In this day and age, looking at the local media, our fan base and the athletic directors/prexys: Murray NEVER would have survived and would have been extended, bought out and FIRED. Thank goodness for a STRONG, SMART, FOOTBALL MAN of an athletic director in Ike Armstrong!

Looking at Murray, you have to kind of divide his 17 year tenure (off the top of my head I think it was 17 seasons) into at least two halves or possibly even the first 2/3 (GREAT Record...National Championship, MANY All-Americans...All-Big Ten players, etc.) and the final 1/3 of his career...the going got substantially tougher. It was during that final 1/2 to 1/3 that the Ohio State Game was scheduled virtually every season. Dur.ing the first 1/2 to 2/3 of his career, Murray's teams very seldom played the Buckeyes. Ironically, the 1962 Rosebowl Trip was made possible when 1961 Big Ten Champ Ohio State's directors and alumni assn. voted not to accept the Rosebowl Invitation. Minnesota was runner-up to tOSU and they went on to beat UCLA in that January First 1962 Bowl Game. Murray was a great friend of Woody Hayes, but, Woody did have much the better of him in head to head competition. It is also interesting that Bernie Bierman's teams VERY SELDOM played the Ohio State University. Quirk in Big Ten Scheduling? Too long a trip by train? I never have found a very good reason why those two dominant Big Ten Schools played so infrequently. They actually even did have a game in Minneapolis one year following the END of the Big Ten Season. I always found that rather interesting...it was on November 28, 1931. Fritz Crisler coached I think his last game at Minnesota before heading off for Michigan in this game for charity...the Great Depression was in full swing. Neither the Gophers or Buckeyes were undefeated...both had 2 or 3 losses. There were no national football polls at the time. The Gophers won the game. I believe Bierman took over the next season for the Gophers and Crisler went to Ann Arbor...and the Buckeyes returned to Columbus. All was well within the Big Ten Conference during that GREAT DEPRESSION match-up.

One other thought: Starting with the Gutty years, the Gophers had been banished from the Campus and their own BRICKHOUSE and were playing their 3rd season in that damn dome. It will be VERY interesting to me to see IF the Gophers can average an extra Big Ten Win per season over the course of their first ten or fifteen seasons back on campus. (I suppose at my age hoping to see the results of that might be optimistic, but I can hope!) I have always thought that come late October and November...the cold winds and the elements might be MORE friendly to the Gophers than to other Big Ten Teams coming to Minneapolis for some LATE AUTUMN EFFECT games. Even in the mid-west other areas over-estimate the degree of COLDNESS factor here and funny bounces and wet...cold conditions may help us "steal" a few games in NOVEMBER. At any rate: that's my "hunch..." Just In case I'm not around to see for myself, will somebody try to watch to see what happens? I think being on campus...outside will pay a "late-autumn" dividend to the Gophers and to Gopher Fans! It was CRAZY for the Gophers to guarantee PERFECT playing conditions in late October and through out the month of November for Big Ten squads that probably had MORE skill players...speed...and passing style offenses than the Gophers had. Sometimes the WEATHER can be a GREAT equalizer and I am banking on that to help our Gophers beg, borrow and steal another Big Ten win a season over the course of the LONG Haul. We don't want Global Warming to turn this area into too much of a November paradise...we want MORE Big Ten Football wins in our late autumn weather! I think it just might happen...but...time will tell...

Excellent analysis on your part (may I call you simply: #1!)

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Will Jerry Kill take us to the Rose Bowl?

I can be a smart-ass and say: only if we schedule a game @UCLA, but a 6-2 or 6-3 year when there is great balance in the west might get us to the championship game. From there anything can happen.
 


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