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afurry91 said:
I'm not sure if this is a new video or not, but I came across it just now.

Needless to say, I'm a little bit jealous.

http://www.rolltide.com/allaccess/?media=394427
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See thread about Bama fan COMPLIMENTING Saban by comparing him to Hitler.
Oversigning casualties swept under rug. Kids left out to dry on a regular basis.
Lowest state in many quality of life categories.
Head coach has now been compared to the devil AND hitler in less than a few months.
 

Parts of Alabama still fighting the Civil War. They must sell more Confederate flags than MacDonalds sells burgers.
 



Ole said:
See thread about Bama fan COMPLIMENTING Saban by comparing him to Hitler.
Oversigning casualties swept under rug. Kids left out to dry on a regular basis.
Lowest state in many quality of life categories.
Head coach has now been compared to the devil AND hitler in less than a few months.
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That may be what you see, but what most 17 year olds will see is the wall of first round picks.
 

Because the vast majority of Alabama players DON'T make it in the NFL, and a degree from Stanford is worth a hell of a lot more than a degree from Alabama (assuming they even let you attend real classes).
 

The thing that impresses me is the amount of money that Alabama ADept raises to put together such an impressive facility. If Norwood can raise money on that level in the future, we will make that facilities plan a reality very shortly.
 

Gopherprof said:
Because the vast majority of Alabama players DON'T make it in the NFL, and a degree from Stanford is worth a hell of a lot more than a degree from Alabama (assuming they even let you attend real classes).
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At 17 you still have the dream of playing pro football and why wouldn't you want to go somewhere that gives you a very high chance of making that dream happen.
 



Just because Bama has more nfl draft picks does not mean it gives you a better chance of making the nfl if you go to Bama. All it means is they have more good players. In this day of scouting, video tape and what ever else the nfl teams use and do to get ready for the draft. If you are a good player, you will get found regardless of where you are playing.
 

Getting an education and more playing time would be two good reasons NOT to go to Alabama...also imagine 2-a-days in the Alabama humidity. That's not even mentioning that it is Alabama. Who would want to go there even for a weekend let alone 4 years.
 

afurry91 said:
That may be what you see, but what most 17 year olds will see is the wall of first round picks.
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It'll cycle out. Miami was "it". USC was "it". Bama is "the" program now. I'll bet dimes to donuts they aren't five years from now. My money's on Arkansas.
 

Gopherprof said:
a degree from Stanford is worth a hell of a lot more than a degree from Alabama (assuming they even let you attend real classes)
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Alabama, of course, is no Stanford (not even in the same ballpark), but it's not as bad as you're claiming it to be. By USN&WR standards (take them for what they're worth) it's slightly worse than the U, Iowa, or Purdue and better than Nebraska or Indiana.
 



Yeah. That was pretty nice. Those who don't make the pros will be in for a shock when they are done with school (some of the pro guys might be too!). Not saying they won't be successful, just they won't have so much luxury.
 

It has lousy academics. According to Princeton Review...it isn't one of the top 366 colleges in the country. Anecdoctally, my friend's son parties, has a learning disability and is getting straight A's in engineering at Alabama. He didn't come close to straight A's in our local high school. It isn't in the same ballpark as the top 366 colleges. Stanford is a top 10 school.
 

CoMn said:
It has lousy academics. According to Princeton Review...it isn't one of the top 366 colleges in the country. Anecdoctally, my friend's son parties, has a learning disability and is getting straight A's in engineering at Alabama. He didn't come close to straight A's in our local high school. It isn't in the same ballpark as the top 366 colleges. Stanford is a top 10 school.
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I graduated Waconia HS with a 2.7, St. Cloud with a 3.72 and Carlson with a 3.71. High school is about applying yourself. My nephew(ADD/ADHD) didn't apply himself in high school and is now in the top half of the Navy Nuclear program. Maybe high school bored your son's friend. However Princeton review could very well be right.
 

Fuzzy Rumpton said:
At 17 you still have the dream of playing pro football and why wouldn't you want to go somewhere that gives you a very high chance of making that dream happen.
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Well, one, because I'm not stupid?

But beyond that, Alabama isn't exactly turning coal into diamonds. They are borrowing diamonds for a few years and then sending them off into the NFL.

Honestly, if I was a prospect looking to be developed into an NFL player, I'd look for a school like Iowa circa 2003-2009, a program that turned a lot of 2 and 3 star guys into NFL prospects.
 

Gopherprof said:
Well, one, because I'm not stupid?

But beyond that, Alabama isn't exactly turning coal into diamonds. They are borrowing diamonds for a few years and then sending them off into the NFL.

Honestly, if I was a prospect looking to be developed into an NFL player, I'd look for a school like Iowa circa 2003-2009, a program that turned a lot of 2 and 3 star guys into NFL prospects.
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You may not be stupid, but I don't think it's off base to say that most 17 year old athletes are...well... not fully developed in the head.
 

I think we are confusing perception and reality a bit. There is a big difference between what we see when we look at Bama and what a 17 year old sees.

1) Even at Alabama, a very low percentage of players reach the NFL. However, for a 17 year old kid who has been the dominant player in every football game he has ever played in, it is easy to assume that you will be one of the elite players once you get to college.

2) The turning coal into diamonds vs. borrowing diamonds comment is spot on. I think that the draft success has a lot more to do with the quality of inputs rather than what is happening at Alabama to the kids. But again, 17 year olds are not masters of understanding the nuances between correlation and causation. I read a study about 6 or 7 years ago that showed that, while people with bachelors degrees from Ivy League institutions had higher starting salaries than people with bachelors degrees from state schools, people who were admitted to Ivy League schools but chose to attend state schools did not have appreciably lower salaries than their Ivy League peers (I'm sorry I don't have the link for that right now, and it is certainly possible that this has changed with the changed economic environment). I think that college football is the same way, these first round draft picks would have been first round draft picks out of Stanford, Minnesota, or Bowling Green.

3) Also, as Dpod pointed out, the University of Alabama is a legitimate state university. It is not Southwest Wisconsin Polytechnic Highschool for the Blind.
 

University of Alabama is so desperate for National Merit Finalists that they give you a laptop, tuition, room, board and $6000 if you go there. Minnesota doesn't give you a dime because they don't have to. The study you reference above came from Princeton. It is a great study. It compared students who got into the Ivies but chose to go to their state schools. Trust me, not many kids from Alabama who got into the Ivies chose to go to Alabama. THEY HAVE TO PAY YOU TO GO THERE it is so bad. There are wonderful state schools that have students who turned down Ivy offers...Michigan, Berkeley, North Carolina, Texas and the like. Not Alabama. There are 3000 schools in the U.S. The Ivies accept 23,000ish every year. Most of the 3000 schools have NO ONE who was accepted at an Ivy League school. Any kid who gets into the Ivies is smart enough to run the numbers and see that it is darn hard to get into the NFL no matter where you go and it is likely your education is going to be more important than your locker room and training table. Many others will be excited about the locker room and easy A's in useless classes.
 

At some point the lines are really blurring between college football being one played by academic institutions, and one played by mega corporations. This, while very impressive, is truly disgusting on so many levels, and almost - as a college football fan - makes me question the reasons and purpose of the existence of college football.

At the very least, this largess ensures Alabama's elite presence as a CFB powerhouse for the next decade or two until the Joneses all build similar or better facilities to compete. At what point does this ridiculousness end? One starts to question if college football should just end, period.
 

cncmin said:
At some point the lines are really blurring between college football being one played by academic institutions, and one played by mega corporations. This, while very impressive, is truly disgusting on so many levels, and almost - as a college football fan - makes me question the reasons and purpose of the existence of college football.

At the very least, this largess ensures Alabama's elite presence as a CFB powerhouse for the next decade or two until the Joneses all build similar or better facilities to compete. At what point does this ridiculousness end? One starts to question if college football should just end, period.
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I would agree with you to a point. It's at the point where these college facilities are better than some pro facilities. The pros don't go after free agents like these colleges go after high school kids. It really is sick, but I keep coming back so I am feeding it a way. We all are.
 

You don't have to convince pros to come...you just have to draft them
 




Are Bama's facilities really that much better than everyone else's? Other than the hot/cold tub spa and the number of first round jerseys, there is nothing they have that we don't have at the same level of quality. I guess I just took it for granted that a pool table in the player's lounge or televisions in the locker rooms were standard for most DI schools.

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https://content.bitsontherun.com/videos/6I7w6mVO-480.mp4

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Does Minnesota not have roughly comparable facilities? It seems from what I've seen online, you have a very nice locker room:
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Ll_oWNyDaMg

I just don't see Bama being THAT far ahead of the other major programs in terms of facilities.
 


Gopherpride13 said:
Sorry Aggie fan but you guys don't have anything on Bama judging by the pics.
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Our are facilities built as much as ten years ago, but with the same basic elements as Bama (pool table, couches, video games, etc.). Before their recent upgrade, our facilities looked identical. They just added in some fancy graphics and a couple extra televisions. Most of the stuff in their video is not groundbreaking for college football facilities. It's the same stuff we have all had for years.

Your locker room has as many, or more, televisions and similar lockers as Bama. I'm sure you could go to the print shop and cover the walls with graphics for a few thousand and be on par.

The only really unique thing I saw in their video was the tub area.
 

TexasAggie11 said:
Does Minnesota not have roughly comparable facilities? It seems from what I've seen online, you have a very nice locker room:
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Check me if I'm wrong, but isn't this a photo of the Gibson/Nagurski locker room?

I think these are more representative of the locker room at The Bank:

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