Who would be the starting QB...

Rosemountian

Active member
Joined
Jan 7, 2010
Messages
3,029
Reaction score
0
Points
36
If M. Gray's ACT had not been flagged? Gray would have come in with Weber as a sophomore. It is a lot easier to bench a 1 year starter than a 2 year starter. Also Gray would have been coming in and running the spread (which is deemed to be his optimal offense by many).

I know I am beating a dead horse on the the QB situation. But I just think it is interesting to think how things may have gone differently here or there.

What happens if Gray doesn't get sent back to Indianapolis during his first freshman camp? Does he redshirt? Does he start in the spread offense? If so, is Dunbar still the O-coordinator. Does Brewster hire a spread guy to replace Dunbar if he is replaced?
 

I think it would have been M. Gray.

I almost hate playing the "what coulda" game, but I think a lot of our problems in the spread would have been somewhat cured by Gray, simply because he is a good runner from the position. It's a great question, but I can't imagine that M. Gray wouldn't have had more success than Weber in the spread.
 

Who is to say that Gray ever would have learned the whole system no matter what it was? He is still getting a "special package" of a few plays put together for him as recently as the MSU game.

I think you people assume too much. Elegibility will always count. Start putting that fact of life into jr. high players heads. You have got to have the grades and the test scores or it is going to set you way back.

Believe me, Gray would have gotten lost in the process here at Minnesota under the failed brewball experiment. Perhaps, the stability of the program that was here before would have given him a chance to have four or five years in ONE system. With brewball, constant change, chaos, lack of discipline, change of schemes, lack of a decent offensive line and running game and too few decent receivers was always going to make life too hard for quarterbacks.

Sorry, you just can't "what if" things to death. Things play out the way things play out. What is...IS. Could of, would of, should of...kinda, sorta, maybe.

If Gray sticks around, he should only have one more offense to learn. There will also be some other qb's in the mix. Time will tell what time will tell.
 

Sorry, you just can't "what if" things to death. Things play out the way things play out. What is...IS. Could of, would of, should of...kinda, sorta, maybe.
.


Did you even read the OP or are you just using this to jump on another soapbox?
 

Who is to say that Gray ever would have learned the whole system no matter what it was? He is still getting a "special package" of a few plays put together for him as recently as the MSU game.

I think you people assume too much. Elegibility will always count. Start putting that fact of life into jr. high players heads. You have got to have the grades and the test scores or it is going to set you way back.

Believe me, Gray would have gotten lost in the process here at Minnesota under the failed brewball experiment. Perhaps, the stability of the program that was here before would have given him a chance to have four or five years in ONE system. With brewball, constant change, chaos, lack of discipline, change of schemes, lack of a decent offensive line and running game and too few decent receivers was always going to make life too hard for quarterbacks.

Sorry, you just can't "what if" things to death. Things play out the way things play out. What is...IS. Could of, would of, should of...kinda, sorta, maybe.

If Gray sticks around, he should only have one more offense to learn. There will also be some other qb's in the mix. Time will tell what time will tell.

To your first paragraph, Horton said in his postgame that although M. Gray had a package, but they used plays from the regular offense when he actually was in.


To your second paragraph, you are correct in one sense. It is important to instill the need for good grades and good test scores to high school and middle school athletes. Especially to those who are teetering on the edge. The issue with you saying that in this thread is relevance. M. Gray had the grades to be eligible, they were not perfect, but he got them. M. Gray got the test score the first time he started practicing. The ACT and all of their infinite wisdom deemed it impossible that he had gotten such a good score without cheating, so they waived his score and made him take it again. He passed again. So as much as I appreciate your sentiments on how academics need to be emphasized, in M. Gray's case, the point is null. He got the grades, he got the test scores, and there is nothing that could lead anyone to believe he is currently struggling in the classroom.

To your third paragraph, You bring up a good point. Perhaps it is better for M. Gray and his career and gopher fans in general that his ACT was flagged. If it wasn't, he'd be a junior and we would only have one year left of him. As it is now, there is still 2 more years of M. Gray. It may end up benefiting everybody but Brewster that his ACT was flagged.

To your fourth paragraph, if you read the OP you would have clearly known it was a what if game. Some people like to discuss it, others don't. You obviously do, or you wouldn't have posted in this thread. So the message of your fourth paragraph is not a valid argument, because your post in this thread says you disagree with your own statement. You say you can't "what if" things do death, but in the 3rd paragraph you attempt do just that.

To your fifth paragraph, you are correct. M. Gray will have some competition and he will learn a new system. To suggest he is too dumb to learn just proves your own ignorance. You have no evidence of his football IQ other than claims made by people on radio who also probably do not know his football IQ. To not state he is the clear frontrunner also displays your ignorance, as he is the only QB on the roster getting time besides Weber. You also have probably never seen Alipate or any of the other QBs ever take a snap at any level.



Thank you for contributing to my thread.
 


Rosemountain, I would guess that Weber would have started Gray's true freshman year. The Gophers were coming off a one win season, and I don't think Brewster would have wanted to risk playing a true Freshman in those early season games. I also think Weber showed quite a bit of promise at times during his first and second years at QB, so I don't think a move would have been made.

Looking back, I don't see a way Gray starts in Brewster's 4 years here barring an injury to Weber. If we kept Dunbar, I think we would have seen Weber continue to improve as a quarterback and his throwing motion never would have been changed. If we still got rid of Dunbar, but were more successful under Fisch/Horton, then we wouldn't make a QB change because we were winning. Finally, Brewster was coaching for his career this year, so he obviously was going to go with his most experienced QB.
 

I personally think that Gray would have been involved heavily with the offense had he been here his freshman year. I think it may have looked similar to what LSU has been doing with Jarrett Lee and Jordan Jefferson. Or what they had done with Flynn and Perrilouix (spelling?).

Or Gray may have been moved to WR earlier and either transferred or been a savvy veteran by now.

I don't think there is any way he would have redshirted.
 

Now, rosemountain, where did I say that Gray wouldn't have the intelligence to learn a new system? That was YOUR addition to my post and you try to attribute that sentiment to me. Sorry, can't let you by with that kind of gamesmanship. All I said is that there will be other qb's in the mix and they will all be learning another system and "...what will be...will be...". So, there you have THAT. You will just have to accept responsibility for your own words, thoughts and inferences. I am not responsible for what you think and say and try to pawn off on someone else. You can NOT try to attribute something to me that I did not say. That is just such a funny little trick that you tried to slip in. Not this time though.

And, certianly, in an existential sense, one of the possibilities of a "what if game" would have to be that a "what if situation is not really a possibility..." If something never happened and is merely part of your imagination, it is not possible that it ever now could be a what-if in my imagination..." It's a part of your game rosemountain...just a fun part of your game. Just as my imagination of your "what if... is that you can't what if something to death so it is impossible even in a what if form..."
 

Now, rosemountain, where did I say that Gray wouldn't have the intelligence to learn a new system? That was YOUR addition to my post and you try to attribute that sentiment to me. Sorry, can't let you by with that kind of gamesmanship. All I said is that there will be other qb's in the mix and they will all be learning another system and "...what will be...will be...". So, there you have THAT. You will just have to accept responsibility for your own words, thoughts and inferences. I am not responsible for what you think and say and try to pawn off on someone else. You can NOT try to attribute something to me that I did not say. That is just such a funny little trick that you tried to slip in. Not this time though.

And, certianly, in an existential sense, one of the possibilities of a "what if game" would have to be that a "what if situation is not really a possibility..." If something never happened and is merely part of your imagination, it is not possible that it ever now could be a what-if in my imagination..." It's a part of your game rosemountain...just a fun part of your game. Just as my imagination of your "what if... is that you can't what if something to death so it is impossible even in a what if form..."

I did absolutely nothing other than respond to each and every point you made.

Quotes like this had a tone that lead me to believe that you do not believe Gray can learn an offense.
Who is to say that Gray ever would have learned the whole system no matter what it was? He is still getting a "special package" of a few plays put together for him as recently as the MSU game.

If you disagree with my interpretation of your writing, maybe you should go back to school and get a better handle on the english language so you can present your ideas more clearly to me, the only partially literate reader.

Another example of needing to get a better handle on the English language would be your second paragraph of the post I am currently quoting. Seriously, go back to 4th grade. Sentence structure and rational thought called, and they miss you.
 



Playing "make believe and let's pretend..." sounds pretty 4th grade rosemountain. And you are DEEPLY into the fantasy/make bleieve/ let's pretend way of living aren't you...

What has happened is exactly what has happened. There is NO pretend time allowed in real life. What is: IS. All of your fantasy and pretend stuff is merely an attempt on your part to try put down our very own Mr. Weber. I can read that in between your every silly little thought rosemountain.

Here is the deal, this entire 2007 through 2010 chapter of the failed experiment called brewball has happened just the way it has happened. You can't change anything by pretending and imagining. Your attempts to put other people down are merely impotent little hissy-fits that change nothing.

We are who we are rosemountain. We have what we have. It happened exactly the way it happened. You can't go back and pretend to make what you think might have been be any kind of fact and you can NOT change anything that has already happened. The deadlines have been met. The story has been written. The di has been cast.

And you can NOT attribute to me what I did NOT say.
 

Weber was going to be a Starter at The U no matter what, period. We likely would have redshirted Gray and end up with the same situation.
 

It is probably good that Gray ended up this way. He would have so many losses attached to his name, and people would have ripped him for not being a winner. Weber having those loses helps the mystic of Gray, and provide optimism for the future of the program. Hope is a powerful feeling.
 





Who was the backup that year? Was Mortenson still around? If so, Gray would have likely been redshirted. Remember, Gray didn't even play his senior year - I doubt they would have rushed him into any immediate playing time.
 

Who was the backup that year? Was Mortenson still around? If so, Gray would have likely been redshirted. Remember, Gray didn't even play his senior year - I doubt they would have rushed him into any immediate playing time.

Mortenson was the backup that year. But seeing as how Gray is possibly the best athlete in the program, I can't see them not using him in some capacity that year. Whether it be as a special package QB or a WR. I don't think he would have redshirted.
Although I guess Stanford redshirted Luck, so you never know.
 

Mortenson was the backup that year. But seeing as how Gray is possibly the best athlete in the program, I can't see them not using him in some capacity that year. Whether it be as a special package QB or a WR. I don't think he would have redshirted.
Although I guess Stanford redshirted Luck, so you never know.

Well Brew was pretty adamant about bringing in one QB per class and redshirting them (as long as they weren't going to be the backup).

Queis wouldn't have been the backup in 2008 and this probably redshirted. If there was a capable backup in 2009 (and if Moses wouldn't have been red-shirting), Queis would have probably been redshirted then.
 

It is an interesting question. I would bet there was a lot of pressure from people around the program (boosters, M men, etc.) for Adam Weber to have a successful career. (I think this pressure was also placed on Weber). Gray on the other had was a much more highly recruited player who would have (probably will) take some lumps or growing pains as he gains experience on the field (think T. Prior and passing ability). The issue that I find most maddening about Brewster (aside from the poor coaching) is that in his 3+ years ended without him ever having a player he recruited play meaningful games at the most important position on the field.

I think Brewster thought coming in here he could follow the same type of pattern that Mack Brown used at NC, it became apparent after the first year that this wasn't going to be accepted by the fan base. As a result you saw him lean heavy on JUCO players with a win now mentality. Due to this I feel that had Gray not been flagged Adam Weber still would have been the starting QB. To some degree Brewster basically coached for his job for 2+ years.
 




Top Bottom