Who are Brewster's best rectuits?

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Ok, lets list and debate the best recruits he's managed to get. Much of his hiring was based on recruiting. So far it's hard to tell if he's recruiting better or not. Please let me know if I get anything wrong here as I have a sketchy memory and can't remember which ones may be Mason's.

Kyle Theret (2 Star)
DeLeon Eskridge (3 Star)
Marqueis Gray(4 Star)
Brandon Green (4 Star)
Simoni Lawrence (3 Star)
Da'Jon McKnight (1 Star)
Cedric McKinley (3 Star)
Traye Simmons (4 Star)
Troy Stoudermire(3 Star)
Kevin Whaley (3 Star)
Moses Alipate (3 Star)
Hayo Carpenter (4 Star)
Michael Carter (4 Star)
Ed Olson (3 Star)
Donnel Kirkwood (3 Star)
Mike Rallis
James Manuel

Obviously, the Star rating doesn't mean a lot.

Just looking at this list, the only one that popsout as good is Gray. Some of the others are decent college players but other than Gray, none are impact players IMO.

Personally, I don't see the improvement in talent that he was supposed to bring. Unless he's just so terrible at coaching that all this talent is being wasted.

Obviously, Gray is the top recruit but which others seemed to have lived up to or exceeded the hype?
 

Hayo Carpenter. His speed will really stretch defenses.
 





There have been a number of highly rated players, and players who are looking goodish now, though they're young (I'm thinking Hagemann and Keanon Cooper right now, but there are others). But the strength, on paper at least, is the depth. If you have access to a recruiting site (or ESPN insider) take a look back at the classes as whole, versus where we were under Mason. Where Mase would have one or two high-70s guys (on Scout), Brew, while not having the really big name guys, is getting 5+ of those hi-70s guys every year.
 

I'm still hoping that it is going to be Spencer Reeves. He is my favorite although if he doesn't start getting on the field I might have to reevaluate him.
 

It's tough to say, I think you need to wait until they finish their senior year.
 

By "his best recruits," do you mean the guys who were coveted by other programs OR the guys who have panned out? If it's the latter, it'd be hard to judge at this point since most of Brew's biggest recruits are sophomores. But in terms of recruits he lured here over big-name schools, I guess the main guys would be:

Rashede Hageman over Ohio State, Florida, Oklahoma...everyone, really
Keanon Cooper over Texas Tech & Wisconsin (although they had "cooled" on him)
Marqueis Gray over Oregon and Iowa, I believe
Michael Carter over West Virginia
Hayo Carpenter over Florida (as hard as it is to believe)

Many of the other recruits you listed in the OP had multiple BCS offers as well, but I'd say the four guys listed above had the "best" offers and are therefore Brew's "best" recruits.
 



Yeah, we just don't know yet.

Obviously Gray is tops right now with top recruit on paper and ten catches so far this year.

I kind of think Cooper will end up being very good.

Wills is turning out to be quite good. Ed olson is starting as a RS freshmen and seems to be holding his own.

Both kirksey and edwards are pretty decent. So far both teams have schmemed away from them.

Carter earned a starting spot as a freshman over a guy who was good enough to get in a NFL camp.

As others have said it's pretty tough to know after one year of evaluation and two games.

Seems to me we have a number of NFLers that didn't look so good when they were at this stage of their developments either. If they were even playing yet.
 

Thanks for the list GopherFB

I've been thinking about this issue a lot of over the past couple days. It's so complex though, it's really difficult to find accountability.

I think the big problem with trying to figure this out is whether or not you can trust recruiting rankings.

If you can, then the more four star recruits who don't produce for a program--- you need to blame the coach because he's not developing them.

Mason had much lower rated recruiting classes but put an offense on the field that could compete with anyone and included some good NFL talent. (Uttecht, Maroney, Barber, Gary Russell)
 

I really don't get this "talent vs. coaching" debate. You coach to get the most out of the talent someone has, but you can't coach talent. Most people can tell when they see a player in a skill position in action whether or not he has the talent to be a true impact player.

Gray - even last year, he gets the ball and takes a few strides and you go "whoa - that is special." Did someone coach him how to run?

First time I saw Maroney bring back that kickoff return in 2003 you could just tell he had "it."

Ron Johnson going up for a jump ball. Is that coaching - someone taught him to jump that high and have great body control? No - just a great athlete.

I don't see anyone on the roster other than Gray who "wows" me from a talent standpoint.

It is disappointing - because I was hoping Brew could bring us more impact-type guys.
 




We got athletes

thailleagle said:
Brewster won't play Gray...it's called Bad Coaching...
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In agreement! Stoudemire is another guy who would be talked about as a Heisman candidate if he played for Florida. We absolutely do not use his talents properly. There is a "wow" guy in that uniform. I absolutely saw it in the spring game returning punts and dominating in other ways two years ago. I'm sure with the athletes we have there are more.

Take Kirkwood...absolutely played as the next best back to Bennett in the opener. He looked promising. Game two...he doesn't get a carry because he doesn't "practice well"? I don't know his personality but performance is all about confidence. Squashing freshman would not seem a conventional tactic to success.
 

Keanon Cooper is Brew's best recruit (by ESPN standards I believe he is also the highest rated). One thing Brewster has also done that his predecessor failed at is move players to defense that could easily have contributed on the offensive side of the ball. This balance will pay off in the long run.

There is young talent on this team regardless of the wins and losses. Hopefully, brew takes that talent and molds them into successful players. Only time will tell...and the clock moves far too slowly for most people.

If he improves the technique of these younger players at the same rate that Campbell, Triplett, and Lawrence improved then we may just have something going for us.
 

60's Guy said:
Stoudemire is another guy who would be talked about as a Heisman candidate if he played for Florida.
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It would rule if Common Man were trolling this board and selected a couple statements like this one as a preposterous statement nominee for 2011.
 

I think Cooper has the 'wow' factor. I think he will play at a level of all BT linebacker in the future.
 

Kirksey and Edwards are really good. They'd look even better if everyone around them were better. We have a lot of guys with size and atheltic ability, but there's more to playing football than just measurables. Some guys have shown flashes, but that's about it.
 

GopherFB said:
Ok, lets list and debate the best recruits he's managed to get. Much of his hiring was based on recruiting. So far it's hard to tell if he's recruiting better or not. Please let me know if I get anything wrong here as I have a sketchy memory and can't remember which ones may be Mason's.

Kyle Theret (2 Star)
DeLeon Eskridge (3 Star)
Marqueis Gray(4 Star)
Brandon Green (4 Star)
Simoni Lawrence (3 Star)
Da'Jon McKnight (1 Star)
Cedric McKinley (3 Star)
Traye Simmons (4 Star)
Troy Stoudermire(3 Star)
Kevin Whaley (3 Star)
Moses Alipate (3 Star)
Hayo Carpenter (4 Star)
Michael Carter (4 Star)
Ed Olson (3 Star)
Donnel Kirkwood (3 Star)
Mike Rallis
James Manuel

Obviously, the Star rating doesn't mean a lot.

Just looking at this list, the only one that popsout as good is Gray. Some of the others are decent college players but other than Gray, none are impact players IMO.

Personally, I don't see the improvement in talent that he was supposed to bring. Unless he's just so terrible at coaching that all this talent is being wasted.

Obviously, Gray is the top recruit but which others seemed to have lived up to or exceeded the hype?
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What do you consider an impact player? Theret has started for several years and I think we all saw how much we miss him last week. Simoni was a good player. McKnight is growing into a good WR. I expect him to get better and better every game. Stoudermire is an impact player, especially as a returner. Ed Olson is starting at LT, the toughest position on the OL, as a redshirt freshman. Kirkwood and Manuel are already making contributions as frosh. Carter is up in the air right now, same with Alipate and many other guys as they are young or haven't gotten a chance.

If by impact player, you mean a guy like Decker, then yes we haven't seen one out of Brewster's recruits. But how often do you get a guy like him?
 

Gopher07 said:
Hayo Carpenter. His speed will really stretch defenses.
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Game changing speed is really the first that comes to my mind. Like, literally game changing. When he's on the field, it's not even football anymore.
 

GophersInIowa said:
What do you consider an impact player? Theret has started for several years and I think we all saw how much we miss him last week. Simoni was a good player. McKnight is growing into a good WR. I expect him to get better and better every game. Stoudermire is an impact player, especially as a returner. Ed Olson is starting at LT, the toughest position on the OL, as a redshirt freshman. Kirkwood and Manuel are already making contributions as frosh. Carter is up in the air right now, same with Alipate and many other guys as they are young or haven't gotten a chance.

If by impact player, you mean a guy like Decker, then yes we haven't seen one out of Brewster's recruits. But how often do you get a guy like him?
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An impact player is a player that other teams have to account for. Decker, some of the RB's we had even players like Theret, Stoudamire and Olson are impact players just because how much better the team is whne they start.

Some of the younger players are harder to peg but overall, I think either these kids are not as talented as we are lead to believe or the coaching is so bad that it's masking some of their talent.
 

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