White House divided on Trump addressing America's racial tensions

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Volumes can be written on this, but watch Reagan and watch Trump. I don’t think the press ever gave Reagan a pass, but he usually didn’t take the bait.
I agree Trump takes the bait and certainly isn’t blameless in the way he is often responded to and reported on.

Still the intensity of the hatred and criticism towards Trump from the left and the media since the day he took office is something I don’t remember another Republican President experiencing.
 
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The MSM certainly has been shown to be deeply embedded with the left.

Say another Republican had won the election would the MSM have behaved the same? There still would have been fight against steps made but would it have been at the same level of intensity or is this more a function of anti-Trump sentiment?
I have and always will say Yes. Would it have been SLIGHTLY less with someone else? I think so. But if the TDS over Trump winning is an 11.5 on a scale of 1-10, a different candidate would have been 9.5; this was and continues to be about LOSING. They are pissed about LOSING; period. And losing a race where most considered it was in the bag, making it even more painful.

Worst losers I've ever seen in my time on the planet. Not getting their way, because at the end of the day, the average Dem under the age of 30 or so has faced very very little adversity along the way. Losing while backing Hilldawg was the most shocking thing they've had to deal with in their precious young lives. Life is hard. Boo Hoo.
 

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I agree Trump takes the bait and certainly isn’t blameless in the way he is often responded to and reported on.

Still the intensity of the hatred and criticism towards Trump from the left and the media since the day he took office is something I don’t remember another Republican President experiencing.
The news media of today is 20 times worse than the media of Reagan's day. Back then there were professionals that actually tried, even when they had a political view, it wasn't likely they would make the news up as is done today. And today, anyone in the media that will not quickly comply is going to have short career unless they can catch on with a conservative outlet.
 

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I have and always will say Yes. Would it have been SLIGHTLY less with someone else? I think so. But if the TDS over Trump winning is an 11.5 on a scale of 1-10, a different candidate would have been 9.5; this was and continues to be about LOSING. They are pissed about LOSING; period. And losing a race where most considered it was in the bag, making it even more painful.

Worst losers I've ever seen in my time on the planet. Not getting their way, because at the end of the day, the average Dem under the age of 30 or so has faced very very little adversity along the way. Losing while backing Hilldawg was the most shocking thing they've had to deal with in their precious young lives. Life is hard. Boo Hoo.
My wife said "I never knew that Democrats were such big babies"
 

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The news media of today is 20 times worse than the media of Reagan's day. Back then there were professionals that actually tried, even when they had a political view, it wasn't likely they would make the news up as is done today. And today, anyone in the media that will not quickly comply is going to have short career unless they can catch on with a conservative outlet.
20 times eh? Show your work on that math!
 


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You have a problem with Barr stating the truth? Pepper balls were used. It is not chemical.

And if what was used on Monday were tear gas, why would the police be standing right in the middle of it without gas masks of any kind?, as shown in the pic from your Vox story:
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You should watch the whole interview with Barr. He exposed CBS‘s and the media’s lies on several occasions.

 


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You have a problem with Barr stating the truth? Pepper balls were used. It is not chemical.

And if what was used on Monday were tear gas, why would the police be standing right in the middle of it without gas masks of any kind?, as shown in the pic from your Vox story:
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You should watch the whole interview with Barr. He exposed CBS‘s and the media’s lies on several occasions.

They are not going to watch a full interview with Bill Barr, Trump, Pence, etc...
 




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The news media of today is 20 times worse than the media of Reagan's day. Back then there were professionals that actually tried, even when they had a political view, it wasn't likely they would make the news up as is done today. And today, anyone in the media that will not quickly comply is going to have short career unless they can catch on with a conservative outlet.
This is such complete bullshit.
 


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My vote for Trump back then, and it will be this fall, is almost entirely and simply just a referendum on the direction of progressivism/socialism in the country. It really has very little to do with Trump. I can see where some people on the left want to take this country, whether they freely admit it or not, and it's nothing like the country many of us want.

Trump's election slowed that train down, even just a little bit; it certainly didn't slow it as much as I thought because I just plain underestimated just how vehemently and violently the MSM would fight every step he has made and how deeply embedded they were with the left. I was wrong. Very very wrong about that.

IF Hill would have been elected, I think the country would look dramatically different today, I think we would be several miles further down that road than we are now and a lot worse off for it.

Nobody would love for the Dems to put up a viable candidate, someone truly inspirational and with some great ideas for the country, than I would; but here we are, Trump vs Mr. Magoo

Sorry it took me a bit to respond. I've been occupied with other stuff.

Concepts like "socialism," "capitalism," and "progressivism" just seem like abstract ideas to me and I don't give abstractions much thought. I just assume that modern western societies are capitalist with some level of redistribution and what really matters are the details and the efficacy of policies.

I don't think anything radical would have happened had Hillary Clinton been elected. She's somewhere to the left of her husband but she's from a conservative Republican upbringing, began her political life as a Goldwater volunteer, came of age during the cold war, and apparently remains reasonably religious. So, I think an old fashioned core probably remains there to some degree. Based on what I have seen, she was considerably more respectful of authorities and traditions during her political career than Trump has been in his short one. Sure, she's a bit of a nanny stater but I don't see her as a radical person which is why I strongly supported her over Sanders. We wouldn't have Trump's two Supreme Court judges if she had been elected or as many strongly conservative new judges as we have now but with a Republican Congress I think she would have been pretty restricted.

I do think the current atmosphere would have been better for the Republican party had she been elected. Trump is the best gift the Democrats could have received. Democrats could have the trifecta come January 2021 and I don't think that ever would have been possible with a Clinton presidency. If you think that wishful thinking, you're not paying attention to the presidential and congressional polling.
 

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You have a problem with Barr stating the truth? Pepper balls were used. It is not chemical.

And if what was used on Monday were tear gas, why would the police be standing right in the middle of it without gas masks of any kind?, as shown in the pic from your Vox story:
View attachment 8310

You should watch the whole interview with Barr. He exposed CBS‘s and the media’s lies on several occasions.

Barr lied. But we know you don't care.
 



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This is such complete bullshit.
Besides, what did the RW R's do when they didn't have Fox News and RWNJ blogs to read all day? I guess they watched the same news the rest of us did and weren't bat$%^ crazy. In that sense, he's not wrong, things are much worse.
 



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Besides, what did the RW R's do when they didn't have Fox News and RWNJ blogs to read all day? I guess they watched the same news the rest of us did and weren't bat$%^ crazy. In that sense, he's not wrong, things are much worse.

Yes, he is right about that (for the opposite reason intended).
 


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I could have told you definitively in November of 2016 that this Prez is never going to do anything that you like, approve of, agree with, or even mildly support. Your mind was made up then, and it still is now
You didn't answer the question. What are you getting out of this that makes all of that terrible stuff pale in comparison? Our country is crashing before our very eyes due to horrific leadership, and your first thought is yeah but he attacks liberals. Great priorities, just what this country was built on: hate thy neighbor and screw the melting pot!
 

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You didn't answer the question. What are you getting out of this that makes all of that terrible stuff pale in comparison? Our country is crashing before our very eyes due to horrific leadership, and your first thought is yeah but he attacks liberals. Great priorities, just what this country was built on: hate thy neighbor and screw the melting pot!
I hear that was Trump's alternate campaign slogan.
 

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Trump really sh!t the bed with his church photo op. Those are not conservative values. They're authoritarian values.

Time to dump this guy for a real conservative. No one within his administration need apply. We'll look outisde the current administration for that person.
Huh.
 

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You have a problem with Barr stating the truth? Pepper balls were used. It is not chemical.

And if what was used on Monday were tear gas, why would the police be standing right in the middle of it without gas masks of any kind?, as shown in the pic from your Vox story:
View attachment 8310

You should watch the whole interview with Barr. He exposed CBS‘s and the media’s lies on several occasions.

Define chemical. Technically it is an organic. Capsaicin (8-methyl-N-vanillyl-6-nonenamide)

https://theconversation.com/what-ma...-tear-gas-a-chemical-engineer-explains-140441
 


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a) I'm curious why it took so long for this news to be revealed. It's not some grand conspiracy or "MSM" covering it up - which is what you'll argue, so don't bother. Lots of people knew.

b) This doesn't relieve the President of much, in my opinion. "I need a picture in front of the church right now!" "But sir, we are clearing the way right now, just wait until tomorrow." "No, I want to go now!" "You're a fucking idiot, this is going to cause issues." Last one, under his breath.

Overall, I'd say Don Trump went from an F- to an F on his "need" to have a photo opp. Defend that.
 


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So, now we are believing government reports at face value. Got it.
It’s yet another example of the media getting a story on Trump wrong because the optics were irresistible. The media completely discredited itself for the short term goal of defeating Trump. I assume pieces like this are an attempt to restore credibility now that mission accomplished.
 

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It’s yet another example of the media getting a story on Trump wrong because the optics were irresistible. The media completely discredited itself for the short term goal of defeating Trump. I assume pieces like this are an attempt to restore credibility now that mission accomplished.
The optics were terrible because Trump made them terrible. "The Media" didn't force the least-religious, most immoral President in history to walk through protesters to hold a Bible upside down in front of a Church he doesn't attend for a photo op. He chose to do that.

And yes, the optics were terrible to most of us. But it made his cult which loves authoritarianism feel a thrill down their legs.
 

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The optics were terrible because Trump made them terrible. "The Media" didn't force the least-religious, most immoral President in history to walk through protesters to hold a Bible upside down in front of a Church he doesn't attend for a photo op. He chose to do that.

And yes, the optics were terrible to most of us. But it made his cult which loves authoritarianism feel a thrill down their legs.
Talking obviously of the optics of clearing protesters in order to achieve a photo op. Which NBC now says is incorrect, and which you posted about dozens of times.

Look at Mr. Bible Banger Howie judging the Christianity of others again. Nice job hypocrite.
 

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It’s yet another example of the media getting a story on Trump wrong because the optics were irresistible. The media completely discredited itself for the short term goal of defeating Trump. I assume pieces like this are an attempt to restore credibility now that mission accomplished.
Didn't Trump the candidate start attacking the press even before he became president? Never a wise move to attack the press.
 

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Didn't Trump the candidate start attacking the press even before he became president? Never a wise move to attack the press.
I don’t think so. Regardless, they shouldn’t be buddy buddy with him, they are the press. But they should be professional if their credibility is important to them, and it’s basically the most important thing for them.
 




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