White House divided on Trump addressing America's racial tensions


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That's not what I said. I said Trump lies more than Obama. But Obama lied basically every time he opened his mouth too. It's what politicians do. Trump's lies are greater in number, and more obvious, and he's nowhere near as careful with his words.

Harwood is a joke, so I feel silly taking his word for it, but if he really said that, it's a pathetic lie.
You did indeed say he "lies more than Obama". But that's like saying 747 is faster than a moped. I mean, duh. And no, Obama did not lie "basically every time he opened his mouth too." Politicians do lie. But Trump is a fraud and a liar at such an extent that even in the oft-disgraceful populace of politicians, he's an outlier off the charts.
 

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I agree with this post 100%, feel the same way, other than I have to admit I did kind of like Rubio but mostly because I thought he had the best chance of beating Hillary.

One thing I've learned on this board in the last 3+ years is that by merely voting for someone you are thereby marrying them and supporting 100% everything they ever have done and ever will do in the future. It's an amazing phenomenon, I think it's pretty much new in the last several years.
I voted in the Primary for Rubio, adding to a win.
 

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I'm truly surprised you figured this out. The vast majority of other Trump apologists think he doesn't lie all that often. I seem to recall you saying on this very board that Obama lied about as often, which of course is absurd.
Yeah but...if you like your doctor you can keep your doctor!
 

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A President with even a minimal set of morals would have waited until the curfew expired to run over the crowd. A President with some real stones would have walked through that crowd, before or after the curfew. A President with some real stones and a semblance of empathy would have walked through that crowd and embraced them (metaphorically).
And once there, A President could have said a prayer that God help heal the divisions, instead of awkwardly holding the Bible upside down like it was a bald eagle about to peck him (insert gif) and then walking away.
 




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Ogee, whatever happened to you that you went from a person with some reason and logic to one who fully embraces every obscure aspect of the nuttery of RW Conspiracy Town?
I'm a results-based, actions over words kind of guy. What have you done. Trump doesn't bother me because I don't listen to a single f'ng word that he says. Not one. I don't give a shit what he says.

From an accomplishments standpoint, it's hard to reasonably argue that he hasn't accomplished a huge agenda while he's been in office, despite often fighting massive numbers on both sides of the aisle, along with the MSM.

I'm looking at the bottom line, and at the end of the day, Trump has far exceeded anything I had for expectations since he's gotten elected. I don't give a shit if he doesn't say the right things sometimes, the body of work, at least to me, far FAR exceeds the negatives he may have on the ledger in terms of polish, tact, and "presidential-ism".
 







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I'm a results-based, actions over words kind of guy. What have you done. Trump doesn't bother me because I don't listen to a single f'ng word that he says. Not one. I don't give a shit what he says.

From an accomplishments standpoint, it's hard to reasonably argue that he hasn't accomplished a huge agenda while he's been in office, despite often fighting massive numbers on both sides of the aisle, along with the MSM.

I'm looking at the bottom line, and at the end of the day, Trump has far exceeded anything I had for expectations since he's gotten elected. I don't give a shit if he doesn't say the right things sometimes, the body of work, at least to me, far FAR exceeds the negatives he may have on the ledger in terms of polish, tact, and "presidential-ism".
I will assume, then, that you and I don't see the same things around us. In a few short years, I am seeing our economy teeter onto complete debt dependence. I see the social construct crumbling as the person at the top intentionally divides us. I see nations across the globe laugh at us. I see our standing on the international stage crumble. I see us cede massive amounts of power to rivals and foes. I see us ignore science. I see us ignore data. I see us losing the import of the world's most brilliant people. I see an entire political party sucking up to the childish whims of one person, one whose sole existence is based on lies and fraud. I see an entire administration trying to falsely rewrite history, to fool the followers. I see a country losing its best allies and gaining precious few. I see Canadians looking down on us with disgust. I see our honorable military brass speaking up against force committed by the Executive Branch against its own people.

What part of that pleases you? We are supposed to be in this together. We cannot be strong divided and without allies. Our economy cannot be strong while increasingly dependent on debt. We are seeing the beginning of our empire's fall, and you cheer. Why, what's so in it for you personally that trumps all of this?
 




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Mrs. Clinton.
Hmm. Now that you've admitted it, expect a knock on the door from the FBI/SS and a term in the Gulag. No matter what you see from me here, I voted for Trump, I voted for him every presidential election since 1996, and I will vote for him again in November. MAGA/KAGA!!!
 

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Hmm. Now that you've admitted it, expect a knock on the door from the FBI/SS and a term in the Gulag. No matter what you see from me here, I voted for Trump, I voted for him every presidential election since 1996, and I will vote for him again in November. MAGA/KAGA!!!
I've been a state delegate for both parties. It is really quite easy to become one--you need to show up and have the time. If all you do is show up and vote every for years for the two major candidates for President, you are missing 99% of the activity.

I haven't missed an election, even for school board or county commissioner since 1991.
 

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I've been a state delegate for both parties. It is really quite easy to become one--you need to show up and have the time. If all you do is show up and vote every for years for the two major candidates for President, you are missing 99% of the activity.

I haven't missed an election, even for school board or county commissioner since 1991.
Unsurprisingly, political moderates as yourself tend to benefit us with policy before politics.
 

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Fake news!

No “tear gas”. Smoke bombs that are benign.

And Bill Barr inspected the area an hour before the walk. One of the “peaceful protesters“ threw a bottle at him, so he ordered to pushback.

The Parks police moved them back with the necessary force, not “violence” after verbal instructions were totally ignored
 

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I will assume, then, that you and I don't see the same things around us. In a few short years, I am seeing our economy teeter onto complete debt dependence. I see the social construct crumbling as the person at the top intentionally divides us. I see nations across the globe laugh at us. I see our standing on the international stage crumble. I see us cede massive amounts of power to rivals and foes. I see us ignore science. I see us ignore data. I see us losing the import of the world's most brilliant people. I see an entire political party sucking up to the childish whims of one person, one whose sole existence is based on lies and fraud. I see an entire administration trying to falsely rewrite history, to fool the followers. I see a country losing its best allies and gaining precious few. I see Canadians looking down on us with disgust. I see our honorable military brass speaking up against force committed by the Executive Branch against its own people.

What part of that pleases you? We are supposed to be in this together. We cannot be strong divided and without allies. Our economy cannot be strong while increasingly dependent on debt. We are seeing the beginning of our empire's fall, and you cheer. Why, what's so in it for you personally that trumps all of this?
I could have told you definitively in November of 2016 that this Prez is never going to do anything that you like, approve of, agree with, or even mildly support. Your mind was made up then, and it still is now
 



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I could have told you definitively in November of 2016 that this Prez is never going to do anything that you like, approve of, agree with, or even mildly support. Your mind was made up then, and it still is now

One positive thing I will say about him. He campaigned as a non-interventionist and against the extended wars in the Middle East initiated and continued by his predecessors. He's been consistent in his avoidance of significant foreign entanglements. I wasn't surprised, despite his customary bluster, that he backed down after the Iranian retaliation. He seems to understand that nothing good can come to him from foreign wars.

Having said that, I believe that everything else about him is just wrong for the job.
 

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1) I am seeing our economy teeter onto complete debt dependence.

In retrospect, the huge tax cut from the TCJA of 2017 looks like an even a bigger mistake than it was then. You typically don't make big tax cuts in time of economic growth. You have them for times of economic recession. Combine the current enormity of payouts with the effects of the TCJA and, oh boy, I pray for a sustained recovery.

2) I see the social construct crumbling as the person at the top intentionally divides us.

The social construct was crumbling well before Trump. No president could have "healed" us (to use a trite phrase). But, yes, the last thing a country needs is a president who actively pursues a divide and conquer strategy.

3) I see nations across the globe laugh at us.

That doesn't bother me too much. I suppose we owe the world a good laugh. The world knows that the USA is a democracy and presidents of various persuasions and abilities come and go.

4) I see us ignore science. I see us ignore data. I see us losing the import of the world's most brilliant people. I see an entire political party sucking up to the childish whims of one person, one whose sole existence is based on lies and fraud. I see an entire administration trying to falsely rewrite history, to fool the followers.

All of that's the worst part in my mind. Living in an era where there are no such things as agreed upon facts is very depressing and doesn't fill one with much optimism for the future.

5) I see our honorable military brass speaking up against force committed by the Executive Branch against its own people.

Well, that's a positive thing so I guess I should give Trump some credit for being the catalyst of that.

6) We are supposed to be in this together.

Well, when it comes to politics I don't foresee that ideal being realized anytime soon.
 

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One positive thing I will say about him. He campaigned as a non-interventionist and against the extended wars in the Middle East initiated and continued by his predecessors. He's been consistent in his avoidance of significant foreign entanglements. I wasn't surprised, despite his customary bluster, that he backed down after the Iranian retaliation. He seems to understand that nothing good can come to him from foreign wars.

Having said that, I believe that everything else about him is just wrong for the job.
My vote for Trump back then, and it will be this fall, is almost entirely and simply just a referendum on the direction of progressivism/socialism in the country. It really has very little to do with Trump. I can see where some people on the left want to take this country, whether they freely admit it or not, and it's nothing like the country many of us want.

Trump's election slowed that train down, even just a little bit; it certainly didn't slow it as much as I thought because I just plain underestimated just how vehemently and violently the MSM would fight every step he has made and how deeply embedded they were with the left. I was wrong. Very very wrong about that.

IF Hill would have been elected, I think the country would look dramatically different today, I think we would be several miles further down that road than we are now and a lot worse off for it.

Nobody would love for the Dems to put up a viable candidate, someone truly inspirational and with some great ideas for the country, than I would; but here we are, Trump vs Mr. Magoo
 

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The article is about the use of terminology as “tear gas”. The point is that they didn’t use CS or CN tear gas, otherwise known as Mace. They used a more benign gas that was being referred to as “tear gas”. The denial about using tear gas was a denial of use of CS or CN tear gas.
 

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The article is about the use of terminology as “tear gas”. The point is that they didn’t use CS or CN tear gas, otherwise known as Mace. They used a more benign gas that was being referred to as “tear gas”. The denial about using tear gas was a denial of use of CS or CN tear gas.

You said they used "smoke bombs that are benign."

Also:

 

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My vote for Trump back then, and it will be this fall, is almost entirely and simply just a referendum on the direction of progressivism/socialism in the country. It really has very little to do with Trump. I can see where some people on the left want to take this country, whether they freely admit it or not, and it's nothing like the country many of us want.

Trump's election slowed that train down, even just a little bit; it certainly didn't slow it as much as I thought because I just plain underestimated just how vehemently and violently the MSM would fight every step he has made and how deeply embedded they were with the left. I was wrong. Very very wrong about that.

IF Hill would have been elected, I think the country would look dramatically different today, I think we would be several miles further down that road than we are now and a lot worse off for it.

Nobody would love for the Dems to put up a viable candidate, someone truly inspirational and with some great ideas for the country, than I would; but here we are, Trump vs Mr. Magoo

How would a truly inspirational Democratic candidate undo the direction of progressivism?
 


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Trump's election slowed that train down, even just a little bit; it certainly didn't slow it as much as I thought because I just plain underestimated just how vehemently and violently the MSM would fight every step he has made and how deeply embedded they were with the left. I was wrong. Very very wrong about that.
The MSM certainly has been shown to be deeply embedded with the left.

Say another Republican had won the election would the MSM have behaved the same? There still would have been fight against steps made but would it have been at the same level of intensity or is this more a function of anti-Trump sentiment?
 

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The MSM certainly has been shown to be deeply embedded with the left.

Say another Republican had won the election would the MSM have behaved the same? There still would have been fight against steps made but would it have been at the same level of intensity or is this more a function of anti-Trump sentiment?
Volumes can be written on this, but watch Reagan and watch Trump. I don’t think the press ever gave Reagan a pass, but he usually didn’t take the bait.
 




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