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Recruit, recruit, recruit. Brewster will make us better because he can recruit. HOGWASH!!! Need good recruits and coaching. I actually LIKE where we are going offensively, too little to late though.
 

we were told by zach and matt over and over how great the recruits were. grunkjer said recruiting was going great. so did nine. now we don't hear from them.

x's and o's beat johnny and joe's every day.
 

To be honest, I thought we had more talented players than Wisconsin did.

McKnight had two amazing catches, our line played better...

That said, we couldn't scheme our way to a Minnesota state title. The defensive game plan was worthless (once again) and the offense was unable to really take advantage of anything meaningful.
 

Go4 said:
we were told by zach and matt over and over how great the recruits were. grunkjer said recruiting was going great. so did nine. now we don't hear from them.

x's and o's beat johnny and joe's every day.
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The coaching sucks. There is talent on the team but when the coaching is as piss poor as it is, it's difficult for players to excel. The next coach that takes over this program will have talent to work with.
 

We were told we don't need a great coach, better recruiting would solve all our problems. Disagree on the talent level, we have a few d-backs that couldn't play for MSU-Mankato. (Hint hint)
 


wels0081 said:
To be honest, I thought we had more talented players than Wisconsin did.QUOTE]

Please tell me this is some sort of dry sarcasm that I somehow missed.
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You can have all the talent in the world, but if the coaching sucks then so will the players. See FSU, Miami in the past couple years(excluding this one).
 

I don't see the talent. The defensive line got handled, the corners are terrible, they are as bad as they were under Mason. Linebackers are nothing special. Everybody says the talent is much better, it sure hasn't been displayed on the field.
 

Go4 said:
we were told by zach and matt over and over how great the recruits were. grunkjer said recruiting was going great. so did nine. now we don't hear from them.

x's and o's beat johnny and joe's every day.
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Tell the X and O quote to Tressel and Nick Saban. It's not how you line up, it's who you line up (and that does include, as you insinuate, the "coaching up" part of the equation). There's never been a pony that's won the Kentucky Derby.

I don't think the recruiting has been as good as we were led to believe it would be.
 



jovs said:
I don't see the talent. The defensive line got handled, the corners are terrible, they are as bad as they were under Mason. Linebackers are nothing special. Everybody says the talent is much better, it sure hasn't been displayed on the field.
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This.
 

nemosgold said:
We were told we don't need a great coach, better recruiting would solve all our problems. Disagree on the talent level, we have a few d-backs that couldn't play for MSU-Mankato. (Hint hint)
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You have no idea what you are talking about. Brewster has three years to recruit athletes. You cannot build the depth on OL's in three years. Brewster needs to go, but his recruiting has been just fine. The OL has a transfer, a freshman, a JC and a couple of below average recruits starting. Iowa has 14 players starting that were recruited BEFORE Brewster was even hired. Brewster has not shown the ability to coach. His recruiting has been better than we have had here in years.
 


minngg said:
You have no idea what you are talking about. Brewster has three years to recruit athletes. You cannot build the depth on OL's in three years. Brewster needs to go, but his recruiting has been just fine. The OL has a transfer, a freshman, a JC and a couple of below average recruits starting. Iowa has 14 players starting that were recruited BEFORE Brewster was even hired. Brewster has not shown the ability to coach. His recruiting has been better than we have had here in years.
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Bingo
 



Shielder said:
Bingo
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So if brewster is so good at recruiting, why do we not have juniors who are filling our D-Back ranks? Your points are completely mute. The point is that he was not able to recruit any defensive backs who were good enough to do anything in his first class. If he was so good at recruiting we would have corners and safeties who are upper classmen starting that were with a dam.n. Fail
 

minngg said:
You have no idea what you are talking about. Brewster has three years to recruit athletes. You cannot build the depth on OL's in three years. Brewster needs to go, but his recruiting has been just fine. The OL has a transfer, a freshman, a JC and a couple of below average recruits starting. Iowa has 14 players starting that were recruited BEFORE Brewster was even hired. Brewster has not shown the ability to coach. His recruiting has been better than we have had here in years.
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Decent take on the OL. Now explain the Defense and Special Teams.
 

I'm sorry but I think I do know what I'm talking about. This is a FACT, this staff is sending recruiting mail to a kid that does not START at our local HS, why? He went to their camp. Yet the kid that went to Wisconsin's elite camp and is getting mild interest from MSU and a lot of 1AA is getting NO interest. (6'6" 285 built like a brick house) I have an e-mail from the assistant recruiting coordinator is you'd like to PM me I can send it to you. As Holtz said there heart and soul of our team needs to come from Minnesota and the legs from somewhere else. I said, I like the direction both our offense and defense are headed in, I think Brew is a nice guy, but lost all credibility as a Head Football coach.

minngg said:
You have no idea what you are talking about. Brewster has three years to recruit athletes. You cannot build the depth on OL's in three years. Brewster needs to go, but his recruiting has been just fine. The OL has a transfer, a freshman, a JC and a couple of below average recruits starting. Iowa has 14 players starting that were recruited BEFORE Brewster was even hired. Brewster has not shown the ability to coach. His recruiting has been better than we have had here in years.
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minngg said:
You have no idea what you are talking about. Brewster has three years to recruit athletes. You cannot build the depth on OL's in three years. Brewster needs to go, but his recruiting has been just fine. The OL has a transfer, a freshman, a JC and a couple of below average recruits starting. Iowa has 14 players starting that were recruited BEFORE Brewster was even hired. Brewster has not shown the ability to coach. His recruiting has been better than we have had here in years.
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You may have a point on the offensive line, but our OL was the least of our problems yesterday. Actually, they kept Weber upright most of the game, and we were able to run the ball.

Look at QB, though. In 4 years Brewster has been unable to recruit a QB who could displace Weber, who is at best a mediocre BT quarterback. And I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt here. I can think of at least 3 or 4 BT teams who are starting QB's who were recruited AFTER Brewster was hired that I'd trade even up with right now. I'd even throw in a hot tub or some tackling dummies. Or Brewster. Maybe Rodriguez needs a tight ends coach?
 

Too Long in the Wasteland said:
You may have a point on the offensive line, but our OL was the least of our problems yesterday. Actually, they kept Weber upright most of the game, and we were able to run the ball.

Look at QB, though. In 4 years Brewster has been unable to recruit a QB who could displace Weber, who is at best a mediocre BT quarterback. And I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt here. I can think of at least 3 or 4 BT teams who are starting QB's who were recruited AFTER Brewster was hired that I'd trade even up with right now. I'd even throw in a hot tub or some tackling dummies. Or Brewster. Maybe Rodriguez needs a tight ends coach?
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I think the quarterback is the perfect illustration of the problem. Of every position on the field, it's the one that relies most heavily on the coach. You can have all the talent you want, but if it's the wrong scheme for his talents (which is coaching) or if he isn't taught how to handle the bigger/faster/stronger of NCAA football (also coaching) he isn't likely to be successful. Maybe all the coaches and recruiting experts were wrong about Gray and he just isn't that good. Maybe Weber's early career play was a fluke. But I think it's more likely the case that the coaches just don't know what to do with the talent they have.

I downloaded the Daily Gopher podcast for the first time this week (ok stuff, horrible audio quality, btw). They were talking about how it seems like where at most schools, the players get better as they grow up, and here, it seems like as often as not, they're getting worse (again, case in point, Weber). It was an interesting argument, and one that I think has a lot of merit. (And it makes me hopeful that if enough guys stick around after Brewster goes, and the U picks the right coach, who can work with the players we have now and don't need to overhaul the system AND the players, we could have a decently quick turnaround).
 

Obviously the recruiting wasn't as good as touted. It was all based on getting 4 star types like Brandon Green, Hayo Carpenter, etc. Pretty much all those 4 star types have been a bust.

I think the only place they've done a good job at is on the OL, and most of them are too young to really help right now.
 

The idea wasn't that Tim Brewster was ever going to be a great X and O's guy as a head coach. The idea was that he was going to be a great recruiter and they were going to hire very good coordinators to handle the game-planning.

How much gameday coaching does Joe Paterno do anymore? How much did Bobby Bowden coach his last few years? The idea that you can have a figurehead coach with assistants isn't without merit. But you'd better have assistants who know what they hell they are doing and a head coach who can step in if things start completely falling apart. Also, if the head coach is going to be a recruiter first, he better be a damn good recruiter to balance it out.

The Gophers currently don't have either situation.

Brewster is woefully over his head as a head coach and would be better served as a poor man's Ed Orgeron for a program. In that role, he could do very well. But a CEO-type head coach? It's not him.
 

Weber was waaaaaaay better under the Spread...

Since then he's gotten worse this season & last...
 

Ogee will still tell you how much talant we have on this team and that they just need more experience and a couple of more years to develop into great players. Bullsh*t. Better recruiting means you don't need 4 freakin years to develop into a decent player. That is what mason was doing. Mason brought in lower ranked recruits and coached them up. Brewster is still bringing lousy recruits only to realize he can't coach them up. He sucks at coaching and recruiting. The slightly better ranking of our recruiting is not nearly enough to make up for the poor coaching. He is not living up to his billing as being a great recruiter. Some other posters have said the only blue chip player we have is gray. I tend to agree with that. I do believe we have a couple of linemen who are pretty good though. Olson is talented enough but we don't have much else. Hagemen would be talented enough if he wasn't switched around all the time. Our 4 star recruits are almost always leftovers from another program that didn't really want them and got somebody better anyway.
 

minngg said:
You have no idea what you are talking about. Brewster has three years to recruit athletes. You cannot build the depth on OL's in three years. Brewster needs to go, but his recruiting has been just fine. The OL has a transfer, a freshman, a JC and a couple of below average recruits starting. Iowa has 14 players starting that were recruited BEFORE Brewster was even hired. Brewster has not shown the ability to coach. His recruiting has been better than we have had here in years.
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You sound as delusional as Brew. His recruiting is vastly overrated and only time will tell if it rises to Mason levels. Look at running back-Brew has had 4 years to bring in a good running back and good running backs can play as freshmen. 4 whiffs! Mason, who supposedly couldn't recruit, got Maroney, Barber, Tapeh, Russell, Pinnix and each of those guys would be vast upgrades to what Brewster has hauled in. A guy who can't recruit good running backs is not an improvement over what we had.
 



emann said:
The idea wasn't that Tim Brewster was ever going to be a great X and O's guy as a head coach. The idea was that he was going to be a great recruiter and they were going to hire very good coordinators to handle the game-planning.

How much gameday coaching does Joe Paterno do anymore? How much did Bobby Bowden coach his last few years? The idea that you can have a figurehead coach with assistants isn't without merit. But you'd better have assistants who know what they hell they are doing and a head coach who can step in if things start completely falling apart. Also, if the head coach is going to be a recruiter first, he better be a damn good recruiter to balance it out.

The Gophers currently don't have either situation.

Brewster is woefully over his head as a head coach and would be better served as a poor man's Ed Orgeron for a program. In that role, he could do very well. But a CEO-type head coach? It's not him.
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It was my hope that Brewster would simply be the "face" of the program and would recruit effectively and bring in solid football guys on both sides of the ball to do the position coaching and the co-ordinating. I think he has recruited aggressively and we've got some decent athletes running around every Saturday, but that's about it.

But Brewster just never had the vision of what he wanted the team to look like when he took the job. He appears to have just thought, "If they're big and fast, I can do anything from the spread to the wishbone." That's not the way to proceed.
 


Perhaps with a new coach, these players will look a lot more talented. in 1999, the Gophers won 9 games with Wacker's recruits. We weren't going to get 9 wins with those players if Wacker had stayed. Both recruiting and coaching are important.
 

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