What would Tubby with these options?

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If I were Norwood, I'd present it to Tubby like this:

A: You are fired. You take the money and retire BUT your legacy is not a NCAA championship at Kentucky and blah blah blah but the headlines are about how you were fired from MN as an underachiever with no major accomplishments except a win over a #1 team.

B: Retire gracefully and the story is your national championship and accomplishments, not your failures. You also don't get a buy out.

A or B?
 

No one would take B. if he retires he still shows that he didn't get it done here.
 

GopherGold said:
If I were Norwood, I'd present it to Tubby like this:

A: You are fired. You take the money and retire BUT your legacy is not a NCAA championship at Kentucky and blah blah blah but the headlines are about how you were fired from MN as an underachiever with no major accomplishments except a win over a #1 team.

B: Retire gracefully and the story is your national championship and accomplishments, not your failures. You also don't get a buy out.

A or B?
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B is ridiculous. What is more likely is:

C. Retire amicably, possibly citing an unspecified health problem and get a reduced buy-out, say 50%. That is the most likely scenario anyways.

Norwood doesn't control the media by the way. Fired or retired, the story will be about Tubby not delivering on what was expected.
 

Some of you are putting to much hope in a first year AD.
 

If those are the two options, I can’t imagine Tubby giving up a $2.5M check to “save face.” His long term legacy will be just fine. The analysts on TV will talk about him glowingly and the focus won’t be on whether Tubby “lost it” as much as it will be on whether Tubby’s failure proves that you just can’t win at Minnesota due to administrative dysfunction, lack of support, substandard facilities, etc. A good hire will turn the perception of Minnesota a bit, but I doubt that it will be at Tubby’s expense.
 


More Likely, Tubby is allowed to announce his retirement for 1.7 mil....
 


If the basketball gods are kind, Tubby will receive an offer from another fine academic institution and falsely make their fans giddy with excitement...
 

What if.....Teague & Co., tell Tubby they want a change in his assistants? Saul just is not a good assistant coach for the guards, which is his responsibility. Replace Saul and get another assistant coach known for his ability to recruit and devise offensive schemes. If Tubby says no and says he will walk, would that not relieve the U from the buyout?
 



Only way Tubby SHOULD stay if they go on a NCAA run (If they get in) and/or he can guarantee the recruitment of Tyus, Vaughn, Reid and the kid from GR. and that ain't happening...
 

UofMdad said:
What if.....Teague & Co., tell Tubby they want a change in his assistants? Saul just is not a good assistant coach for the guards, which is his responsibility. Replace Saul and get another assistant coach known for his ability to recruit and devise offensive schemes. If Tubby says no and says he will walk, would that not relieve the U from the buyout?
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I was duped into think this was workable last year. I have seen enough of Tubby's coaching to think he no mental flexibility to take advantage of improved assistants. He's one stubborn guy. He's going to sit a guy with two fouls NO MATTER WHAT. He's going to be too slow to call a timeout to stop a key run NO MATTER WHAT. He's going to run a defense that leads the league in blocked shots while letting opposing players drive to the rim at will (that's why we get so many blocks) and a defense that offers plentiful open three point shots NO MATTER WHAT. He is still going to lack enthusiasm and he still is going to be a poor communicator.
 

bga1 is on the mark, but the most important thing you forgot to mention is that he runs NO OFFENSE. Every annoucer talks about how how the players are just standing around. That is by design in Tubby's offensive sets. Pass the ball around the perimeter without looking to score until there is ten seconds left on the shot clock and then throw up a desperation 3 point shot. Earlier in the year he ran some flex offense and it worked against the lesser teams. The offense in the Big ten has been horrible (none existant). 9th plaCE IN THE BIG TEN THIS YEAR AFTER FINISHING IN 10TH PLACE LAST YEAR.
 

2nd Degree Gopher said:
If those are the two options, I can’t imagine Tubby giving up a $2.5M check to “save face.” His long term legacy will be just fine. The analysts on TV will talk about him glowingly and the focus won’t be on whether Tubby “lost it” as much as it will be on whether Tubby’s failure proves that you just can’t win at Minnesota due to administrative dysfunction, lack of support, substandard facilities, etc. A good hire will turn the perception of Minnesota a bit, but I doubt that it will be at Tubby’s expense.
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The media loves Tubby because he is a nice guy and they will side with him. Keep in mind "Kentucky ran him off" and the media portrayed us as a bunch of racists when the truth was he signed with you guys while he was still employed with us. It's true a lot of fan weren't happy with the results we were getting just as you guys are now, but the guy had a national title and was winning almost 80% of his games... we weren't firing him. He knew it was time to move on and he did, best you guys can hope for is that he can see the writing on the wall and moves to another team on his own like he did with us.
 



GopherGold said:
If I were Norwood, I'd present it to Tubby like this:

A: You are fired. You take the money and retire BUT your legacy is not a NCAA championship at Kentucky and blah blah blah but the headlines are about how you were fired from MN as an underachiever with no major accomplishments except a win over a #1 team.

B: Retire gracefully and the story is your national championship and accomplishments, not your failures. You also don't get a buy out.

A or B?
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No offense, but in either of those scenarios, Tubby (or his lawyer) tells the U to go bleep themselves. Tubby has a contact, and the U can't void it without cause. If the U fires Tubby, he gets the buyout.

My question - when is the U going to stop extending coaches, then firing them, and getting stuck with the buyout? (Monson, Mason, etc.)
 


What would Tubby do with these two options? Call a timeout, make a hockey line change replacing them with an entirely new set of unperforming options, call another timeout, be surprised that the options cannot inbound the basketball.
 

bga1 said:
I was duped into think this was workable last year. I have seen enough of Tubby's coaching to think he no mental flexibility to take advantage of improved assistants. He's one stubborn guy. He's going to sit a guy with two fouls NO MATTER WHAT. He's going to be too slow to call a timeout to stop a key run NO MATTER WHAT. He's going to run a defense that leads the league in blocked shots while letting opposing players drive to the rim at will (that's why we get so many blocks) and a defense that offers plentiful open three point shots NO MATTER WHAT. He is still going to lack enthusiasm and he still is going to be a poor communicator.
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Thanks, but if Tubby left on his own accord, would that not relieve the U from the buy out? I realize you don't see Tubby just leaving on his own. I do have a hard time seeing him staying if his own son is relieved as an assistant, but as you say he may indeed stay regardless.
 

nokomismod said:
How did it go down in Kentucky? Was it a forced retirement?
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It really didn't go down any way. There was a lot of criticism from the fan base but the administration wasn't going to fire him, he was winning 80% of his games. The media made it out that we ran him off but the truth was he was feeling the heat from the fans and negotiated with you guys on his own. He surprised us when he left, the fans were happy he made the move but he wasn't forced out like the media portrayed. So he controlled it by leaving us on his own. I imagine if you guys start putting the heat on him he will move on his own again unless he is ready to just retire from there which would mean you guys might actually have to force the issue.
 

UofMdad said:
What if.....Teague & Co., tell Tubby they want a change in his assistants? Saul just is not a good assistant coach for the guards, which is his responsibility. Replace Saul and get another assistant coach known for his ability to recruit and devise offensive schemes. If Tubby says no and says he will walk, would that not relieve the U from the buyout?
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Kentucky tried that, they told Tubby they wanted him to change his assistants (they were pushing for him to let them get him someone to help with recruiting) but he refused. He is very loyal to his guys, so you can bet he will be even more so to his son.
 

Chingy said:
Kentucky tried that, they told Tubby they wanted him to change his assistants (they were pushing for him to let them get him someone to help with recruiting) but he refused. He is very loyal to his guys, so you can bet he will be even more so to his son.
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Plus, what type of assistant coaches could he attract anyways. He is on the hot seat and assistants don't want to walk into a job knowing it would quite possibly only be a year job, at least quality assistants don't. Also, he has no history of developing a coaching tree where his assistants move on to head coaching jobs.
 

I would offer Tubby a reduced (1.5 to 1.7) buyout so he can save some face and find a new job and announce his move...If he doesn't wanna take the reduced offer, just suck it up and FIRE him at full cost. Let him know that he's done coaching Gophers either way. Give him 3 days to think about it and get back you.
 


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