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24 total stars in ONE class. That's absolutely insane. I know people on here hate the star system because the Gophers haven't been inking that many high-level recruits lately, but you have to acknowledge what's going on in Columbus. I mean, TWO, 5-star guys in one class. That's how many Minnesota has had in its entire hoops history.
 

Imo It all starts with their football program money machine. All the more reason why we gotta get our program on the right track.
 

Thad and John Calipari have a lot in common. JMO
 

MaroonGopher said:
http://ohiostate.scout.com/a.z?s=145&p=9&c=8&cfg=bb&yr=2010

24 total stars in ONE class. That's absolutely insane. I know people on here hate the star system because the Gophers haven't been inking that many high-level recruits lately, but you have to acknowledge what's going on in Columbus. I mean, TWO, 5-star guys in one class. That's how many Minnesota has had in its entire hoops history.
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OSU is just turning into a gateway to the pros...Don't like it - but what can be done about it?
 





Interesting post.....where you stated the entire MN program has had two five star guys in the history of the program. I am wondering how many the gophers have actually had.

Kris Humphries
Joel Pryzbilla

Rick Richert ??
Sam Jacobsen ??

Unsure about how long they have been using the current rating system, but I know that Darryl Mitchell was very highly rated out of HS, as was Trent Tucker.
 

MaroonGopher said:
http://ohiostate.scout.com/a.z?s=145&p=9&c=8&cfg=bb&yr=2010

24 total stars in ONE class. That's absolutely insane. I know people on here hate the star system because the Gophers haven't been inking that many high-level recruits lately, but you have to acknowledge what's going on in Columbus. I mean, TWO, 5-star guys in one class. That's how many Minnesota has had in its entire hoops history.
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2008 - Two 4 Star, One 3 Star recruits.

2009 - One 5 Star, Two 4 Star, One 3 Star recruits.

2010 - Three 3 Star recruits.

2011 - Two 4 Star recruits.

Humphries and Pryzbilla were 5 Star recruits.
 




Friend Of Tubby said:
Matta won at Butler, Xavier, and Ohio State.

Calipari won at UMass, Memphis, and UK.

Pretty similar careers, actually.
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Other than the facts that Matta's teams have never had anything vacated, never had any issues about eligibility after the fact that didn't lead to vacated games that could have (e.g., the Eric Bledsoe situation), and that Matta never landed any 5* recruits from a state other than states he's coached in, they have some similarities.
 

OSUfan said:
Other than the facts that Matta's teams have never had anything vacated, never had any issues about eligibility after the fact that didn't lead to vacated games that could have (e.g., the Eric Bledsoe situation), and that Matta never landed any 5* recruits from a state other than states he's coached in, they have some similarities.
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I'm talking strictly about W-ing at 3 different schools at varying levels - Mid-Major, High Major, and Best Of The Best programs.

Calipari and Matta have similar careers thus far. Both are superior recruiters whose W-L results are a little disappointing but still excellent overall.
 

Friend Of Tubby said:
I'm talking strictly about W-ing at 3 different schools at varying levels - Mid-Major, High Major, and Best Of The Best programs.

Calipari and Matta have similar careers thus far. Both are superior recruiters whose W-L results are a little disappointing but still excellent overall.
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Huh?

Calipari averages 28 wins a season and has won his conference title 12 of 17 seasons as a coach.
Thad Motta averages 26 wins a season and has won his conference title 6 of his 10 seasons as a coach.


Calipari is a cheat and the epitome of everything that is wrong with college bball, but his W-L record is impressive.
 



Bob_Loblaw said:
Huh?

Calipari averages 28 wins a season and has won his conference title 12 of 17 seasons as a coach.
Thad Motta averages 26 wins a season and has won his conference title 6 of his 10 seasons as a coach.

Calipari is a cheat and the epitome of everything that is wrong with college bball, but his W-L record is impressive.
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Both recruit at the highest level. But Calipari has only 2 FF and 0 NC. Matta only 1 FF and 0 NC.
 

Their Numbers

2010-11 WINNINGEST ACTIVE DIVISION I MEN'S BASKETBALL COACHES BY WINNING PERCENTAGE (as of 7-7-10) per NCAA.org
(Minimum five years as a Division I head coach; includes record at four-year U.S. colleges only.)
No. Coach Team Yrs.
1. Mark Few ............................Gonzaga ..................................................11
2. Roy Williams ......................North Carolina ........................................22
3. Jamie Dixon ........................Pittsburgh ..................................................7
4. Bruce Pearl..........................Tennessee................................................18
5. Bo Ryan...............................Wisconsin................................................26
6. Dave Rose ...........................BYU ..........................................................5
7. Mike Krzyzewski ................Duke ........................................................35
8. John Calipari .......................Kentucky .................................................18
9. Thad Matta ..........................Ohio St. ...................................................10
10. Jim Boeheim .......................Syracuse ..................................................34
11. Bob Huggins .......................West Virginia ..........................................28
12. Bill Self ...............................Kansas .....................................................17
13. Rick Pitino ..........................Louisville ................................................24
14. Rick Majerus .......................St. Louis ..................................................23
15. Tom Izzo .............................Michigan St. ............................................15
16. Tubby Smith........................Minnesota................................................19
17. Danny Kaspar......................Stephen F. Austin....................................19
18. Mike Lonergan....................Vermont ..................................................17
19. Billy Donovan .....................Florida .....................................................16
20. Jim Calhoun ........................Connecticut .............................................38

And in NCAA games ONLY:

Active coaches (10+ games)

Rank Coach, Current school
Yrs W-L Pct. Latest Final
All Trn 2011 All 4 2 1
1 Mike Krzyzewski, Duke 36 26 77-22 .778 2010 11 8 4
2 Roy Williams, N Car 23 20 55-18 .753 2009 7 4 2
3 Tom Izzo, Michigan St 16 13 35-12 .745 2010 6 2 1
4 Billy Donovan, Florida 17 10 22-8 .733 2010 3 3 2
5 Rick Pitino, Louisville 25 15 38-14 .731 2010 5 2 1
6 Jim Calhoun, UConn 39 21 45-19 .703 2009 3 2 2
7 John Calipari, Kentucky 19 12 28-12 .700 2010 2 1 0
8 Bill Self, Kansas 18 12 25-11 .694 2010 1 1 1
9 Ben Howland, UCLA 16 8 18-8 .692 2009 3 1 0
10 Steve Fisher, SD State 21 10 20-9 .690 2010 3 3 1
11 Tubby Smith, Minn 20 16 29-15 .659 2010 1 1 1
12 Steve Lavin, St. John's 7 6 11-6 .647 2002 0 0 0
13 Gary Williams, Md 33 17 29-16 .644 2010 2 1 1
T14 Thad Matta, OSU 11 8 14-8 .636 2010 1 1 0
T14 Mike Davis, UAB 11 4 7-4 .636 2006 1 1 0
16 Jim Boeheim, Syracuse 35 27 44-26 .629 2010 3 3 1
17 Rick Majerus, St. Louis 23 11 18-11 .621 2003 1 1 0
T18 Jay Wright, Villanova 16 8 12-8 .600 2010 1 0 0
T18 Sean Miller, Arizona 6 4 6-4 .600 2009 0 0 0
20 Bob Huggins, West Va 29 18 26-18 .591 2010 2 0 0
 

Matta's a great recruiter but OSU was a sleeping giant. The only major conference school in a huge state with a ton of basketball talent and Indiana is down so they're getting some of the top kids from there. OSU is like Ill in that they should always have top 10-15 classes simply by getting say 3 of the top 5 players in state
 

Friend Of Tubby said:
Both recruit at the highest level. But Calipari has only 2 FF and 0 NC. Matta only 1 FF and 0 NC.
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Well yeah, you never talked about whether or not they were able to win a lot of championships. You said that there W-L records wasn't that impressive. That is dead wrong, they both pile up the wins at impressive rates.

They haven't been raking in the championships but they have been winning a ton of games.
 

Friend Of Tubby said:
2010-11 WINNINGEST ACTIVE DIVISION I MEN'S BASKETBALL COACHES BY WINNING PERCENTAGE (as of 7-7-10) per NCAA.org
(Minimum five years as a Division I head coach; includes record at four-year U.S. colleges only.)
No. Coach Team Yrs.
1. Mark Few ............................Gonzaga ..................................................11
2. Roy Williams ......................North Carolina ........................................22
3. Jamie Dixon ........................Pittsburgh ..................................................7
4. Bruce Pearl..........................Tennessee................................................18
5. Bo Ryan...............................Wisconsin................................................26
6. Dave Rose ...........................BYU ..........................................................5
7. Mike Krzyzewski ................Duke ........................................................35
8. John Calipari .......................Kentucky .................................................18
9. Thad Matta ..........................Ohio St. ...................................................10
10. Jim Boeheim .......................Syracuse ..................................................34
11. Bob Huggins .......................West Virginia ..........................................28
12. Bill Self ...............................Kansas .....................................................17
13. Rick Pitino ..........................Louisville ................................................24
14. Rick Majerus .......................St. Louis ..................................................23
15. Tom Izzo .............................Michigan St. ............................................15
16. Tubby Smith........................Minnesota................................................19
17. Danny Kaspar......................Stephen F. Austin....................................19
18. Mike Lonergan....................Vermont ..................................................17
19. Billy Donovan .....................Florida .....................................................16
20. Jim Calhoun ........................Connecticut .............................................38

And in NCAA games ONLY:

Active coaches (10+ games)

Rank Coach, Current school
Yrs W-L Pct. Latest Final
All Trn 2011 All 4 2 1
1 Mike Krzyzewski, Duke 36 26 77-22 .778 2010 11 8 4
2 Roy Williams, N Car 23 20 55-18 .753 2009 7 4 2
3 Tom Izzo, Michigan St 16 13 35-12 .745 2010 6 2 1
4 Billy Donovan, Florida 17 10 22-8 .733 2010 3 3 2
5 Rick Pitino, Louisville 25 15 38-14 .731 2010 5 2 1
6 Jim Calhoun, UConn 39 21 45-19 .703 2009 3 2 2
7 John Calipari, Kentucky 19 12 28-12 .700 2010 2 1 0
8 Bill Self, Kansas 18 12 25-11 .694 2010 1 1 1
9 Ben Howland, UCLA 16 8 18-8 .692 2009 3 1 0
10 Steve Fisher, SD State 21 10 20-9 .690 2010 3 3 1
11 Tubby Smith, Minn 20 16 29-15 .659 2010 1 1 1
12 Steve Lavin, St. John's 7 6 11-6 .647 2002 0 0 0
13 Gary Williams, Md 33 17 29-16 .644 2010 2 1 1
T14 Thad Matta, OSU 11 8 14-8 .636 2010 1 1 0
T14 Mike Davis, UAB 11 4 7-4 .636 2006 1 1 0
16 Jim Boeheim, Syracuse 35 27 44-26 .629 2010 3 3 1
17 Rick Majerus, St. Louis 23 11 18-11 .621 2003 1 1 0
T18 Jay Wright, Villanova 16 8 12-8 .600 2010 1 0 0
T18 Sean Miller, Arizona 6 4 6-4 .600 2009 0 0 0
20 Bob Huggins, West Va 29 18 26-18 .591 2010 2 0 0
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Did you see the names on the list ahead of Calipari on the second list of coaches? All of them (except Billy Donovon) are legendary coaches (Izzo, Calhoun, Coach K, Pitino, Roy Williams), i'd say he'd amongst some pretty good names in that list (same with Motta).
 

It helps to have 6 players in the class, but yeah, still very impressive. It also helps to be Ohio State though, regardless of coach.

MaroonGopher said:
http://ohiostate.scout.com/a.z?s=145&p=9&c=8&cfg=bb&yr=2010

24 total stars in ONE class. That's absolutely insane. I know people on here hate the star system because the Gophers haven't been inking that many high-level recruits lately, but you have to acknowledge what's going on in Columbus. I mean, TWO, 5-star guys in one class. That's how many Minnesota has had in its entire hoops history.
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Bob_Loblaw said:
Well yeah, you never talked about whether or not they were able to win a lot of championships. You said that there W-L records wasn't that impressive. That is dead wrong, they both pile up the wins at impressive rates.

They haven't been raking in the championships but they have been winning a ton of games.
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Given the Best Of The Best recruiting both have compiled, I'd expect better results.

Tubby averaged 26 W over 10 years at UK with good (not great) recruits most years. He had comparable NCAA results to either Matta or Calipari.
 

I haven't looked at this years class at OSU so I could be wrong, but I think most of his high level recruits are from the state of Ohio. That's a nice built in advantage. That state produces a lot of high level athletes in many sports...they have perfect demographics and OSU is definitely the big dog on the block. Hopefully they run into the same trap as our hockey team...although its much tougher to build a team in hockey. In basketball, the team with the best single player on the floor usually wins.
 

We had what? 17 stars last year? It doesn't always go as planned. In fact I'd say recruiting outcomes never go as planned.
 

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