What do you predict will be the fate of Borton and Tubby in a month?

What do you predict will be the fate of Borton and Tubby in a month?

  • Both will be back with forced staff changes

    Votes: 23 46.0%

  • Borton fired, Tubby back

    Votes: 6 12.0%

  • Tubby fired, Borton back

    Votes: 15 30.0%

  • Both fired

    Votes: 6 12.0%
  • Total voters
    50
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What do you predict will be the fate of Borton and Tubby in a month?
 






They probably extended Tubby again, the evening after the Indiana game, and didn't tell anyone.
 

I don't think there is any way that Borton isn't back next year. Especially with the extension, I think she has at least one more year.

As for Tubby...Knowing the U's history of accepting mediocrity (and awarding really dumb extensions), I do believe he will be back next year. Even if Teague forces some movement on his staff- will it matter? Probably not. Tubby is way too stubbon, old and set in his ways to actually listen to a different voice. So, we'll be sitting in this exact same position a year from now, wondering (many hoping) if Tubby is going to be fired. And we'll be no where closer to challenging for a B1G title or making hay in the NCAA's.
 


Worst case scenario, lose to Purdue, first game in B1G tournament, make it to NCAA and lose in first round. I don't think Tubby will be fired this year, if the season ends like this it becomes a very tough decision. I have a feeling the 2014 recruiting class and the 2013-2014 season are going to be the make or break point.
 



Little chance Borton is fired. They made it to a tolerable 7-9, she has a new extension and there's little public pressure to make a move.

If the Gophers somehow manage to miss the NCAA's, Tubby is gone. If they lose in the first round, I'll say there's a 30% chance he's gone. If they win a game, he's back. 100%. I think the later will happen.
 


bleedsmaroonandgold said:
They trade jobs and see if they have more success with each other's roster.
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I liked the idea someone had a while back - Tubby and the national-champion dance team coach trading spots. Something's gotta give.

This is an impossible poll question to answer because there are so many subtleties to it. If Smith is back, I think there's a strong possibility that his staff remains intact. Conversely, if he's dismissed, it could be in part because he refuses to make staff changes. And as I've posted before, don't be surprised if a way is found to part amicably with honor for both parties, for example a retirement with a reduced buyout. That would cost Smith money but save him considerable face. It would also allow him to recharge his batteries, search his soul and decide if he wants to get back in the water at some point later.

Borton will be given a chance to see this thing along one more year. If they don't make the Field with Banham as an upperclassman, that'll be it for her.
 




If we can pay North Carolina $700,000 to not play one game we can pay off a HOF coach that can't do better than 6th place.
 

Go4 said:
no way will both be back without staff changes. no way, period.
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You do know this isn't up to the fans on gopherhole right? Tubby might lose some assistants I believe Taylor and Jirsa have interviewed for head coaching jobs before, but I don't think anyone forces Tubby's hand. Hasn't happened yet why now? Borton well quite frankly I could care less one way or another. Do believe she's the only coach to bring the lady gophers to the final four?
 

Forcing staff changes might be an attempt to force Tubby's hand.

My question is does Teague have an if criteria to keep Smith? If he wins a tournament game he's back next year. If he makes the tournament he'll be back.
 

Buttcheeks McGaffigan said:
Forcing staff changes might be an attempt to force Tubby's hand.

My question is does Teague have an if criteria to keep Smith? If he wins a tournament game he's back next year. If he makes the tournament he'll be back.
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Excellent observation.

As far as the question, I have no special insight, but I doubt he has an 'if' criterion. When you have a coach of his stature with a buyout of this size, I would think Plan A is to make it work somehow, at least for another year. Teague is new, and this is his first year supervising Smith. Unless he feels that 1) he can't work with the guy or 2) the guy can't possibly be successful here, Norwood might be most inclined to go with Plan A. That depends on a factor I brought up a while ago, and that is the working relationship between the two. Tubby's chance of sticking around may rest to a good extent on whether they work well together or don't. If it's a good scene and you feel you can accomplish some things as a team, you will tend more to rededicate yourself to making it work. If all that sounds soft and squishy, that's the way most workplace issues of this sort are.
 

I think it's pretty close to 50-50 whether Tubby is back next year. A month ago, even in the middle of our slide, I would've said it was almost 100% he's back... but it's hard to not think that Teague will at least look into it given that you know he has to be aware of the discontent. I wouldn't be surprised if Tubby's back despite that, though.

That being said, I don't think it's easy to a) swallow that buyout or b) fire a coach of Tubby's stature without thinking you can get an upgrade. Given their connections, Teague and Ellis might be inclined to bring in an up-and-comer. My guess would be that if Tubby leaves, we end up with someone that is not well known to us at this point.
 

JDGopher said:
I think it's pretty close to 50-50 whether Tubby is back next year. A month ago, even in the middle of our slide, I would've said it was almost 100% he's back... but it's hard to not think that Teague will at least look into it given that you know he has to be aware of the discontent. I wouldn't be surprised if Tubby's back despite that, though.

That being said, I don't think it's easy to a) swallow that buyout or b) fire a coach of Tubby's stature without thinking you can get an upgrade. Given their connections, Teague and Ellis might be inclined to bring in an up-and-comer. My guess would be that if Tubby leaves, we end up with someone that is not well known to us at this point.
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Are you ruling out Flip?
 

Bad Gopher said:
Excellent observation.

As far as the question, I have no special insight, but I doubt he has an 'if' criterion. When you have a coach of his stature with a buyout of this size, I would think Plan A is to make it work somehow, at least for another year. Teague is new, and this is his first year supervising Smith. Unless he feels that 1) he can't work with the guy or 2) the guy can't possibly be successful here, Norwood might be most inclined to go with Plan A. That depends on a factor I brought up a while ago, and that is the working relationship between the two. Tubby's chance of sticking around may rest to a good extent on whether they work well together or don't. If it's a good scene and you feel you can accomplish some things as a team, you will tend more to rededicate yourself to making it work. If all that sounds soft and squishy, that's the way most workplace issues of this sort are.
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I agree with you that Teague doesn't seem "like or a else" type of guy. The coaching changes will be interesting. I hope for the sake of at least one of the assistants they can land a head coaching job.
 


Buttcheeks McGaffigan said:
I agree with you that Teague doesn't seem "like or a else" type of guy. The coaching changes will be interesting. I hope for the sake of at least one of the assistants they can land a head coaching job.
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I think Teague's pondering the same questions we fans are asking: Why so inconsistent? Why the dysfunctional standing-around offense? I'm sure those questions will be asked point blank once the season's over, and this AD and his assistant won't be satisfied with a non-answer.
 

I think it's much more likely that Tubby is fired (or gone in some other form) than Borton is fired. I can't imagine the leadership deciding to prioritize fixing Women's Bball ahead of Men's Bball.

I think it's paramount to get rid of Tubby immediately. If he's going to finish 9-9/8-10 with this group, there's simply no way he's going to put an acceptable winning record on the board in year seven. Tubby's either gone this year or next year and it makes so much more sense to let a new coach deal with next years issues than delaying the rebuilding (or more accurately, building) process a full year.
 

Finishing 9th is not even mediocrity. No winning seasons in the Big Ten during Tubby's tenure. Enough is enough. Please fire him.
 

I see no way that Tubby will be back. We have absolutely crossed the point of no return, even with a win next week in the Tourney.
 

1% chance he is fired after just getting an extension and making the dance. Minnesota is in no place to fire another coach.
 


Gold Vision said:
1% chance he is fired after just getting an extension and making the dance. Minnesota is in no place to fire another coach.
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Which would be rediculous after what Mike Ellis said today. It would be dereliction of duty on the part of he and Teague.
 

EG#9 said:
I think it's much more likely that Tubby is fired (or gone in some other form) than Borton is fired. I can't imagine the leadership deciding to prioritize fixing Women's Bball ahead of Men's Bball.

I think it's paramount to get rid of Tubby immediately. If he's going to finish 9-9/8-10 with this group, there's simply no way he's going to put an acceptable winning record on the board in year seven. Tubby's either gone this year or next year and it makes so much more sense to let a new coach deal with next years issues than delaying the rebuilding (or more accurately, building) process a full year.
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I tend to agree, although there is certainly enough ammunition to let go of them both. I'm most worried about the fact that Tubby basically lost his guys early in January and followed up by sounding like he had no idea what to do after that. This, imo, is a really bad sign. When a coach has lost his guys and has no idea how to get them out of the funk, it's pretty damning.

As for Borton, she has done nothing with this program since she ran off a bunch of players all those years ago. She's been skating on the same reliance on staying mediocre or slightly below for years now. She needs to go at least as much as Tubby does.

In this case, it all comes down to money imo, because neither one of these coaches has done anything with their teams recently to justify keeping them around. If the money was there, both would be gone I think. But it's not and so it will be interesting to see what Teague decides to do after both teams are done.
 

It's allGangelhoff's fault...

I understand why we are paying premium money for what was perceived to be an elite coach on the men’s side but I for the life of me can't understand why we are paying premium money for a seriously subpar coach on the women’s side...

The only explanation I can come up with is "MATURI" and Maturi was the direct result of Clem's cheating which was facilitated and exposed by Jan Gangelhoff. It's all her fault.

I hope Teague has the courage to get this fixed now!
 

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