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1. Alabama
2. Ohio State
3. Clemson
4. Washington

5. Michigan
6. Wisconsin
7. Penn State

Alabama is in. Could drop a seed if they lose.
Ohio State is in. One loss to a top 10 team.
Clemson needs to win Saturday
Washington needs to win Saturday

Michigan is in with a loss by Clemson or Washington.
Wisconsin would need a win and likely both Washington and Clemson to lose.
Penn State same as Wisconsin.

Michigan beat Wisconsin, Penn State, and Colorado
Ohio State beat Michigan, Wisconsin, Oklahoma, and Nebraska

Head to head is going to factor in when teams have the same record.

Can't see a Big 12 team jumping enough teams.
 

MaxyJR1 said:
1. Alabama
2. Ohio State
3. Clemson
4. Washington

5. Michigan
6. Wisconsin
7. Penn State

Alabama is in. Could drop a seed if they lose.
Ohio State is in. One loss to a top 10 team.
Clemson needs to win Saturday
Washington needs to win Saturday

Michigan is in with a loss by Clemson or Washington.
Wisconsin would need a win and likely both Washington and Clemson to lose.
Penn State same as Wisconsin.

Michigan beat Wisconsin, Penn State, and Colorado
Ohio State beat Michigan, Wisconsin, Oklahoma, and Nebraska

Head to head is going to factor in when teams have the same record.

Can't see a Big 12 team jumping enough teams.
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What if Washington and Clemson both lose this weekend (which is very possible)? Michigan and wisconsin/Penn State winner move up to 3 and 4? Three Big Ten teams and Alabama in the CFP?
 

dpodoll68 said:
What if Washington and Clemson both lose on Saturday (which is very possible)? Michigan and wisconsin/Penn State winner move up to 3 and 4? Three Big Ten teams and Alabama in the CFP?
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It could happen. The playoff would blow-up with all the crying.
 

MaxyJR1 said:
1. Alabama
2. Ohio State
3. Clemson
4. Washington

5. Michigan
6. Wisconsin
7. Penn State

Alabama is in. Could drop a seed if they lose.
Ohio State is in. One loss to a top 10 team.
Clemson needs to win Saturday
Washington needs to win Saturday

Michigan is in with a loss by Clemson or Washington.
Wisconsin would need a win and likely both Washington and Clemson to lose.
Penn State same as Wisconsin.

Michigan beat Wisconsin, Penn State, and Colorado
Ohio State beat Michigan, Wisconsin, Oklahoma, and Nebraska

Head to head is going to factor in when teams have the same record.

Can't see a Big 12 team jumping enough teams.
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Agreed Colorado beating Washington would help Michigan, not the winner between the drunks and the Pedophiles
If Clemson and Washington lost could Colorado leapfrog the Big ten conference winner since Washington is ranked fourth. Are the Buffs 10-2?
 

Wisconsin already lost to both Michigan and Wisconsin. It would be a sad joke. They are definitely not the best team in the country.
 




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MaxyJR1 said:
1. Alabama
Michigan is in with a loss by Clemson or Washington.
Wisconsin would need a win and likely both Washington and Clemson to lose.
Penn State same as Wisconsin.
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I believe this part of the analysis to be wrong. I think wisconsin or Penn State jump Michigan by winning the championship game. Taking the 3rd place team in its own division with the same record as the conference champion is preposterous.
 



The Lorax said:
I believe this part of the analysis to be wrong. I think wisconsin or Penn State jump Michigan by winning the championship game. Taking the 3rd place team in its own division with the same record as the conference champion is preposterous.
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Where does the head to head play in then?
 

minibeaver said:
Where does the head to head play in then?
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I agree that Penn State jumps Mich by winning Championship, but not Wisc. If that happens and both Clemson and Washington lose, can't see how the committee doesn't put PSU in since they beat OSU.
 

Here's my vague guess, almost certainly wrong, on how it might go down:

Alabama: In, regardless of outcome of SECCG
Ohio State: In
Clemson: In, with a win in ACCCG
Washington: In, with the a win in P12CG

That's the most likely and obviously the cleanest scenario. Of course, being the most likely, it probably won't happen.

If Clemson loses & Washington wins: B1GCG winner gets slotted into the fourth spot. Conference championship will be more heavily weighted than head-to-head and title game winner will leap frog Michigan for the fourth spot, as Michigan's win over Colorado would be lessened. Alabama, Ohio State, Washington, B1GCG winner

If Clemson wins & Washington loses: This is one of the hairier scenarios but also the second-most likely. Michigan would own victories over two P5 conference champions (Colorado, B1G) and I could see that being enough to keep them ahead of the B1G champ, whom they would hold to H2H over. Of course, if Wisconsin obliterates Penn State, they might have as strong a claim as the Wolverines (big win over PSU, OOC ranked win, close loss to OSU, close road loss to Michigan). Still, I think the Wolverines would take the fourth spot. Alabama, Clemson, Ohio State, Michigan

If Clemson loses & Washington loses: Chaos. Anarchy. Cats and dogs, living together. If both these teams lose the committee has a real mess on their hands. Clemson and Washington are almost assuredly out, but who jumps up? If you move Colorado up into the 4th spot you can't easily justify leaving Michigan out, unless Penn State gets completely destroyed by Wisconsin. But how do you move Colorado above the B1GCG winner (same record, better wins), and how do you move them above Michigan (who assblasted the Buffs in September)? Answer: you don't. But the committee might come up with some reason to do so (something like "momentum" - haven't lost since early October) and slot them in and the B1G title-game winner in to avoid having three B1G teams. Alabama, Ohio State, B1GCG winner, Colorado
 

Could tOSU be left out if PSU wins? If Clemson and WA win and they only want to take 1 B1G team could PSU get the nod being they won the division, and the conference, and beat tOSU head-to-head?


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Spoofin said:
Could tOSU be left out if PSU wins? If Clemson and WA win and they only want to take 1 B1G team could PSU get the nod being they won the division, and the conference, and beat tOSU head-to-head?


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No. Penn State would have lost two games and tOSU one. Even if it was to PSU.
 

Spoofin said:
Could tOSU be left out if PSU wins? If Clemson and WA win and they only want to take 1 B1G team could PSU get the nod being they won the division, and the conference, and beat tOSU head-to-head?


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I think Alabama and Ohio St are locks already. They get in no matter what.
 

Spoofin said:
Could tOSU be left out if PSU wins? If Clemson and WA win and they only want to take 1 B1G team could PSU get the nod being they won the division, and the conference, and beat tOSU head-to-head?
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That'd be pretty crazy.

I don't see it happening - Ohio State did nearly everything right, beating a lot of top teams, at home and in true road games (#5 Michigan, @ #6 Wisconsin, @ #9 Oklahoma) and losing once (@ #7 Penn State).

Penn State also did a lot right, and would have beaten a couple top teams at home/neutral (#2 Ohio State, #6 Wisconsin) but also lost twice, and would have a worse loss than OSU (@ #5 Michigan, @ #25 Pitt).

Although the committee will highly value conference championships and head to head, I think the Pitt loss and the lack of a big-time true road win still keeps PSU below OSU.
 

I agree tOSU is a lock. Was having a conversation with a Buckeye fan at work and that is the only (although we both agreed highly unlikely) scenario where they don't make the CFP.


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Didn't want to start a new thread, but the bowl system could get awfully wonky if Navy dominates Temple on Saturday. The Midshipmen are just 2 spots behind Western Michigan in the CFP rankings and could leapfrog them with a dominant performance in the American championship, and an underwhelming victory by the Broncos in Saturday's MAC championship. The only problem? Navy still has their game against Army next weekend (12/10). The Cotton Bowl wouldn't take Navy without them having completed their entire schedule, but the rest of the bowl world might be in limbo until they make a decision.

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Alabama and OSU are in. I honestly don't think Penn State has a chance unless both Clemson and Washington lose. They are not getting in ahead of OSU (despite the head-to-head win) or Michigan (who killed them, and has more big wins). Oklahoma's albatross loss at home to a fellow CFP contender (OSU) probably keeps them out no matter what, even if all heck breaks loose.

Here's how I see the "non-Virginia Tech winning" scenarios playing out.

If Clemson, Washington, Wisconsin, win. ... Alabama, Clemson, Ohio State, Washington/Wisconsin for final spot.

If Clemson, Washington Penn State win. ... Alabama, Clemson, Ohio State, Michigan/Washington for final spot.

If Clemson, Colorado, Wisconsin win. ... Alabama, Clemson, Ohio State, Michigan/Wisconsin for final spot.

If Clemson, Colorado, Penn State win. ... Alabama, Clemson, Ohio State, Michigan.

If both Virginia Tech and Colorado win, then the committee is going to have a lot of fun. That would open up the possibility for 3 B1G teams, though it would take major cojones to do that. Don't think they'll take that route, but in that scenario I'd go with Alabama, Michigan, Ohio State, and Wisconsin (Badgers had more competitive game with Michigan, and a better overall schedule than Colorado).
 

SelectionSunday said:
Alabama and OSU are in. I honestly don't think Penn State has a chance unless both Clemson and Washington lose. They are not getting in ahead of OSU (despite the head-to-head win) or Michigan (who killed them, and has more big wins). Oklahoma's albatross loss at home to a fellow CFP contender (OSU) probably keeps them out, but there is one scenario out there.

Here's how I see the "non-Virginia Tech winning" scenarios playing out.

If Clemson, Washington, Wisconsin, win. ... Alabama, Clemson, Ohio State, Washington/Wisconsin for final spot.

If Clemson, Washington Penn State win. ... Alabama, Clemson, Ohio State, Michigan/Washington for final spot.

If Clemson, Colorado, Wisconsin win. ... Alabama, Clemson, Ohio State, Michigan/Wisconsin for final spot.

If Clemson, Colorado, Penn State win. ... Alabama, Clemson, Ohio State, Michigan.

If both Virginia Tech and Colorado win, then the committee is going to have a lot of fun. That would open up the possibility for 3 B1G teams, though it would take major cojones to do that. Don't think they'll take that route, but in that scenario I'd go with Alabama, Michigan, Ohio State, and Wisconsin (Badgers had more competitive game with Michigan, and a better overall schedule than Colorado).
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I can't see them taking a 2-loss Mich over a two loss B1G Penn St. in any scenario. Mich was 3rd in the East.
 

PMWinSTP said:
I can't see them taking a 2-loss Mich over a two loss B1G Penn St. in any scenario. Mich was 3rd in the East.
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Very fair point, and I wouldn't have a problem if they did. But my hunch is the committee would still have trouble overlooking the 49-10 spanking, as well as Michigan's (potential for) 3 top-10 wins, including 2 over Power 5 conference champions (Penn State, perhaps Colorado).
 

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