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Out of morbid curiosity...on all 3 of the 4th quarter INTS Wisky pressured Mitch with only 4 rushers. At least one of them it was 4 on 7. They disguised their rushers, overloaded the right side, and we had no answer. Like a swinging gate and Mitch threw it up for grabs all 3 times. A debacle all around. Players, coaches, game prep. The protection was a disgrace. Mitch made horrendous decisions. All of it leads back to game prep and personnel decisions.

I discussed the jet sweep prior to the game. Be ready! Wisky runs it successfully twice, the second time for a huge gain. Defense totally discombobulated. Great play design by Wisky and the guys didn't know what to do.

The decision to punt on 4th and 16 with 2:45 to go - not happy with that. We had only one timeout. You're waving the white flag. Sure it's a long shot to convert but we have no chance punting away. Trying to keep the score under the spread?

Any other thought, observations?


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Pompous Elitist said:
Out of morbid curiosity...on all 3 of the 4th quarter INTS Wisky pressured Mitch with only 4 rushers. At least one of them it was 4 on 7. They disguised their rushers, overloaded the right side, and we had no answer. Like a swinging gate and Mitch threw it up for grabs all 3 times. A debacle all around. Players, coaches, game prep. The protection was a disgrace. Mitch made horrendous decisions. All of it leads back to game prep and personnel decisions.

I discussed the jet sweep prior to the game. Be ready! Wisky runs it successfully twice, the second time for a huge gain. Defense totally discombobulated. Great play design by Wisky and the guys didn't know what to do.

The decision to punt on 3rd and 16 with 2:45 to go - not happy with that. We had only one timeout. You're waving the white flag. Sure it's a long shot to convert but we have no chance punting away. Trying to keep the score under the spread?

Any other thought, observations?
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Nice recap. Thanks very much. I won´t get to it until I´m back in the country on December 10. TC should be long extended or fired by then. If neither of those will have happend, i´ll start questioning our AD.
 


Why would you do that to yourself is my biggest question?
 

History, guys. Well be talking about this performance for decades to come.
 


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History, guys. Well be talking about this performance for decades to come.
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No we won't. It will barely register a blip when you throw it in with all the other games I've suffered through for over 50 years.
 

Pompous Elitist said:
History, guys. Well be talking about this performance for decades to come.
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I will remember this game as the biggest choke job I have ever seen a QB have. Not for anything else.


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Spoofin said:
I will remember this game as the biggest choke job I have ever seen a QB have. Not for anything else.


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I actually think this game will take its place alongside the Michigan meltdown and the Texas Tech collapse as games where things just snowballed into an epic collapse snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

Mitch's meltdown will be at the forefront but the entire team fell apart in the second half of this one.
 

MNVCGUY said:
I actually think this game will take its place alongside the Michigan meltdown and the Texas Tech collapse as games where things just snowballed into an epic collapse snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

Mitch's meltdown will be at the forefront but the entire team fell apart in the second half of this one.
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Maybe, but not sure I have ever seen anything like 2-14 with 4 INTs. That is what I will recall.


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Pompous Elitist said:
Out of morbid curiosity...on all 3 of the 4th quarter INTS Wisky pressured Mitch with only 4 rushers. At least one of them it was 4 on 7. They disguised their rushers, overloaded the right side, and we had no answer. Like a swinging gate and Mitch threw it up for grabs all 3 times. A debacle all around. Players, coaches, game prep. The protection was a disgrace. Mitch made horrendous decisions. All of it leads back to game prep and personnel decisions.

I discussed the jet sweep prior to the game. Be ready! Wisky runs it successfully twice, the second time for a huge gain. Defense totally discombobulated. Great play design by Wisky and the guys didn't know what to do.

The decision to punt on 4th and 16 with 2:45 to go - not happy with that. We had only one timeout. You're waving the white flag. Sure it's a long shot to convert but we have no chance punting away. Trying to keep the score under the spread?

Any other thought, observations?


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You talk about the protection issues like WI hasn't been giving every team in the country absolute fits. They are an elite defense. There is going to be a ton of pressure. I don't think our offensive line protected very well in the second half, but it had almost nothing to do with poor gameplan. Our offensive playcalling was fine, we were moving the ball against a dominant defense. I think our team was ina position to win, our gameplan was fine (IMO), we simply threw the ball away WAY too many times.

As far as the jet sweep, yeah, WI has been running it for a decade. I don't think anyone was shocked to see it. It sometimes works, especially when you're running the ball well inside. It's not really a trick play. It worked. I've seen it work against a lot of good teams.
 

Bob_Loblaw said:
You talk about the protection issues like WI hasn't been giving every team in the country absolute fits. They are an elite defense. There is going to be a ton of pressure. I don't think our offensive line protected very well in the second half, but it had almost nothing to do with poor gameplan. Our offensive playcalling was fine, we were moving the ball against a dominant defense. I think our team was ina position to win, our gameplan was fine (IMO), we simply threw the ball away WAY too many times.

As far as the jet sweep, yeah, WI has been running it for a decade. I don't think anyone was shocked to see it. It sometimes works, especially when you're running the ball well inside. It's not really a trick play. It worked. I've seen it work against a lot of good teams.
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It's all good then - we should count on our protection scheme to fold up every time we play Wisconsin

The jet sweep is a misdirection play just like any other trick play and Wisconsin is known for running #11.
 




I agree .... I've always rooted for and like ML but this one was on him. As great as he was in the first half (he was outstanding) he was the opposite or more in the second. There's an old saying and I may not have it exactly but "The best pass is the one the QB didn't throw." Meaning that ML should have not thrown into coverage or just thrown them away.

Spoofin said:
I will remember this game as the biggest choke job I have ever seen a QB have. Not for anything else.



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Mulligan said:
No we won't. It will barely register a blip when you throw it in with all the other games I've suffered through for over 50 years.
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Pomp is clearly a glutton for punishment but nice of him to take one for the team by revisiting that nightmare the rest of us are trying like hell to forget. And you are right, this one will eventually blend in with all the other hellacious nightmares over these past 50-years. I can't wait for next season when we celebrate and are painfully reminded of our last B1G ménage a trios championship with Purdon't and HoosierYourDaddy. Fun times!
 

Ok the jet sweep, it seemed that one of the safeties (not sure who) shot across the line as if to stop the sweep, but took a bad angle and blew the thing wide open. We were "ready for it," but either the scheme to fire the safety to that spot or the angle by the safety was the major fault.
 

RickDornsby said:
Ok the jet sweep, it seemed that one of the safeties (not sure who) shot across the line as if to stop the sweep, but took a bad angle and blew the thing wide open. We were "ready for it," but either the scheme to fire the safety to that spot or the angle by the safety was the major fault.
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Yep the tight end took out Winfield, Lynn was looking inside, and Travis seemed to have him but hesitated and took a bad angle.
 

I once had lunch with a Gopher assistant coach and asked him, "What if you had a different game plan for the 2nd half than the first?" He said, "the opponent would never recover." Then why isn't it done? "Because no one does it that way," he said.
 

No way will I watch it again. Our offensive line is so soft and so ill prepared. Rush 4 and drop 7 - blocking 5/6 against 4 and still pressure the QB should tell everyone what they need to know.
 

Pompous Elitist said:
The decision to punt on 4th and 16 with 2:45 to go - not happy with that. We had only one timeout. You're waving the white flag. Sure it's a long shot to convert but we have no chance punting away. Trying to keep the score under the spread?
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This was, like not taking a knee at the end of the Purdue game, an offense which shows that Claeys apparently doesn't understand basic football strategy. Punting, down two scores and with only one timeout left is absolutely conceding the game. If it's 4th and goal from your own 1 yard line in that situation (meaning you need to go 99 yards on this play) you absolutely go for it. No other possible decision. My assumption is that he decided he was more likely to save his job only losing by 2 scores rather than 3, so he decided to concede and try to save his neck. I know - the response will be "the game was already lost" and yes, it almost certainly was, but there was still a slight chance and he chose to throw it away for no reason whatsoever. There is no justification for punting in that situation.
 

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