Weber till the end?

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The only question in the Brewster tenure right now is if he will stick with Weber till the end. He has a 0% chance of saving his job barring a 5-3 or better finish. That isn't happening with Weber. His best chance to save his job would be to switch QB's, get to 4 or 5 wins, and hope the administration likes the young talent (at QB) enough to give him one more year.

His ship has been Weber, and the captain will go down with his ship. Weber will get another 8 starts and inch closer to the all time record for most losses as a starter by a FBS QB.
 

If we start out 1-2 or worse in the Big Ten, I would at least hope that Gray gets some snaps at QB. Maybe let him run a few series throughout each game. I don't see him just benching Weber completely so this is our best hope.
 

Brew is too stubborn to change - he sees it as loyalty. Gray had one snap at QB Saturday.
 

It's been a while since I've seen a team with a senior QB fall out of bowl contention with several games to go. It could happen to the Gophers this year with four or five games to go. What do you do? Split time the rest of the year? Change completely to next year's guy? You typically see young guys get a lot more playing time in bowl games, would a coach do the same if he knew that November practices were his 'bowl practices'?
 

Right on

Great Plains Gopher said:
Brew is too stubborn to change - he sees it as loyalty. Gray had one snap at QB Saturday.
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I think this is exactly right. I'm personally always in the "Weber camp," since the end of last season, but I can certainly understand the merits of passing the torch to Gray after 2-3 Big Ten losses and the team is out of bowl contention.

I don't expect that from Brewster, though. I honestly think Brew is smart enough to see the writing on the wall, and I think the guy has a true admiration of Weber and the way he's led the program since Brewster got to Minneapolis.

The only way I see that Brew officially turns over the reigns to Gray is if the losses are so horrendous that Brewster doesn't want Weber to be (further) embarrassed. Another thing to consider is if the Gophers pull off a stupid-big win in late October or November and Brew lets Weber ride off in the sunset with that last win his lasting impression on Gopher fans.
 


I'd like to see someone get a shot at QB this year other than Weber. I don't want to go in to next year choosing between a bunch of QB's who have never started a game in college. My personal choice would be too give Alipate a game or two because I think Gray has shown real potential at WR. If Gray moves to QB, we lose our best WR and our forced to play a slot type guy like Stoudermire or Allen as an outside the numbers X or Y receiver, unless Brandon Green can get back on the field and impress. Assuming the offense wouldn't change for the new QB this year, I think it simply fits Alipate's skill set better than Grays. If we'd be willing to go back to a more spread based attack and put Gray in the shotgun, then I'd be more interested in seeing him at QB where he could make plays running and throwing.
 

You could see it last year already. For whatever reason, no matter what, Brewster is riding Weber the whole way, and with it, riding the team, the program, its fans, and his job right into the ground.

While playing game after game with inept offenses, his prize recruit doesn't take a significant amount of snaps at the same position, not even to prepare for the future...
 

cncmin said:
You could see it last year already. For whatever reason, no matter what, Brewster is riding Weber the whole way, and with it, riding the team, the program, its fans, and his job right into the ground.

While playing game after game with inept offenses, his prize recruit doesn't take a significant amount of snaps at the same position, not even to prepare for the future...
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It would be really nice if you could make one post where you're not ripping Weber. I gets it...everyone that has read more than one of your posts gets it. You don't like Weber. Put it rest, no matter how diligently you post here, it will not make one iota of difference on what the staff does with the QBs.
 

Unregistered User said:
.... You don't like Weber. ....
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Yeah myself and about 90% of the rest of Gopher fans. The Gophers won enough games last year that, especially in the first year of their new stadium, attendance at each game should have been solid. You know why they didn't show up? Because it's futile and embarrassing watching Weber take the field every Saturday. The offense is a complete joke, and pathetic to watch, mainly because while the running game isn't very good, the passing game is worse. The offense is so bad that it makes housework FUN to do when the Gophers are on an offensive set. That's why.

And then the leader of the offensive destruction gets assigned after the spring game to get to play the same position that he failed at horribly the previous year and a half, and some people wonder why the national media and the fanbase don't think the Gophers will be any good, why good offensive skill players continue to retreat from the recruiting base, and why there is no excitement surrounding the program.

Adam's dad, you and the other 10% of Weber's supporters need to go have another pow-wow and smoke whatever you've been smoking the past 2 1/2 years, because it's gotta be some real good stuff.

Oh, and p.s., look no further than my previous post to find a post in which I had no mention of our futile QB: http://www.forums.gopherhole.com/boards/showthread.php?t=20892
 



Unregistered User said:
It would be really nice if you could make one post where you're not ripping Weber. I gets it...everyone that has read more than one of your posts gets it. You don't like Weber. Put it rest, no matter how diligently you post here, it will not make one iota of difference on what the staff does with the QBs.
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Were not ripping but instead its the truth and the whole truth. He is a great kid but he never has or will win a meaningful game here at Minny. I honestly think Weber's part is holding up the team and qb's underneath him (Gray, Apilate). Brewster is stubborn and him and Weber will sink to the bottom together although its already sunk!!!:eek:
 

Gray needs to get snaps at QB but if you think Gray playing 100% of the QB snaps is going to change our win/loss record then you haven't been paying much attention to how the season has been going.
 

cncmin said:
Yeah myself and about 90% of the rest of Gopher fans.
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Do you have a source for your 90% figure or did you just make that up? Sounds like someone is projecting his own animosity on Adam on other Gopher fans. I am down on the Gopher program now, not because of Adam, but because Brew can't coach a lick or build a football team, but is great at spouting cliches like "pound the rock', "what great effort" blah blah blah. And Weber is less of a concern to me than our entire defense, our offensive line and our running backs.
 

Weber is the college version of Daunte Culpepper for me, QB's that have the skill set and ability but for some reason you cannot fully trust them. Just like when Daunte was here I want to see what the backup QB(s) can do. Weber may not be the problem but I don't see him providing the type of spark this team needs at this point.
 



Of course you have to wonder if you want to lose what is looking more and more like the best WR in the Big Ten and move him to QB where he may or may not be good. I would like to see more wildcat with a stronger emphasis on the pass option in the interim.
 

I've said this elsewhere... perhaps Weber could be playing better this year. BUT... 1) there are soooooo many BIG problems that line up far ahead of Weber's performance. 2) There has been nothing to give any fan an unbiased reason why any of the backups would be any better at that position. Much of this is simply due to the age old fan fascination with the shiny object riding the bench at QB. A certain segment of fans will always want the backup QB, no matter what the starter does. It always happens to be the same fans. It is amusing that someone brought up the Vikings Dante Culpepper because Viking fans set a record on QB complaining the exact year he rewrote the single season passing record book for that team.

Ironically, Weber's worst game this year was the game the Gophers WON. He has been okay since, and at 'okay' that has made him one of the better performing players on this very woeful team. He just threw for nearly 400 yards and two touchdowns after completing 31 of 46 attempts. And... we've got people convinced the right thing to do is bench him. The offense has its issues... starting with the O line, progressing through RB's that have little vision, and ending with receivers that have been improving after dropping a lot of passes. But hey, let's bench the QB and watch it all improve.

How about we focus our bitching on the team's biggest problems and after they are solved, go for the serviceable QB's head?

The season is looking quite lost at this point. If the expected outcomes continue leave the team with "L's" on the board, we may indeed start to see backups at QB and elsewhere. But not now, before the Big 10 season has even started - focused on one guy that has actually been 'okay.'
 

Hopefully Brewster will start giving Gray an occasional series to quarterback. Weber deserves to start based on play but you have to start planning for the future and giving Gray some experience is the best way to do that.

With his job on the line he may not feel he can do that, which would be to bad.
 

Schnauzer said:
How about we focus our bitching on the team's biggest problems and after they are solved, go for the serviceable QB's head?
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It's amazing to me how much bitching there is about Weber. The Culpepper example is perfect. It seemed like no matter what he did, there was a part of the Vikings fan base that would complain about him.

There are probably 5 areas (at least) on our team that are a bigger problem right now than QB. But you see more posts ripping Weber than the other 5 areas combined. cncmin is a perfect example of someone that will never think Weber is a good QB and will always complain about him. His "90%" number is ridiculous.

Weber has been a disappointment to most Gopher fans, there's not denying that. But that doesn't mean he's been a terrible QB.
 

goldengophers said:
Weber is the college version of Daunte Culpepper for me, QB's that have the skill set and ability but for some reason you cannot fully trust them. Just like when Daunte was here I want to see what the backup QB(s) can do. Weber may not be the problem but I don't see him providing the type of spark this team needs at this point.
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Except that Daunte actually won when he was with the Vikes. Weber was a .500 QB even with the greatest WR in Minnesota history.
 

dpodoll68 said:
Except that Daunte actually won when he was with the Vikes. Weber was a .500 QB even with the greatest WR in Minnesota history.
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And the worst rushing game, maybe not in MN history, but close to it.
 

Those 373 yards passing in the last game really sucked. Weber should be ashamed of himself for not tackling better when he played defense.
 


We also have a mobile young man as our starting QB, until Fisch quit letting him run.
 

ruralgopher said:
We also have a mobile young man as our starting QB, until Fisch quit letting him run.
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Mobile compared to you or me, yes...but surely you're not insinuating that Weber is even in Gray's ballpark in that department?
 

dpodoll68 said:
Interestingly enough, we have a very mobile young man as our backup QB.
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Exactly, making Gray the starter does not mean Weber is worse than him it just means Gray's skill set may help this team more at this point. We need Gray's combination of running and throwing at this point, just like the Eagles needed Vick's legs and arm behind the porous Philadelphia offensive line.
 

dpodoll68 said:
Mobile compared to you or me, yes...but surely you're not insinuating that Weber is even in Gray's ballpark in that department?
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No he probably isn't in Gray's ballpark, but he does hold the best rushing season of any player of the Brewster era.
 

If we lose to N.W. I really think we will see a change (series or two-not a starter change). Who will it be is the question??
 

Rodent:Do you watch any of the games? There are so many yards that Weber leaves on the field because of his inaccuracy. He's high on nearly every crossing pattern and his passes to the flat are usually skipped to the receiver. Additionally, he seems completely spooked to run for the first down marker. Do you remember when he would run 8-10 times/game for chunks of yardage. I haven't seen him run with any authority in the past -- oh -- 3 years.
 

tomdog said:
Rodent:Do you watch any of the games? There are so many yards that Weber leaves on the field because of his inaccuracy. He's high on nearly every crossing pattern and his passes to the flat are usually skipped to the receiver. Additionally, he seems completely spooked to run for the first down marker. Do you remember when he would run 8-10 times/game for chunks of yardage. I haven't seen him run with any authority in the past -- oh -- 3 years.
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What game are you watching? He's completing about 2/3 of his passes, how is that inaccurate? I used to think that these assessments people were making had something to do with what was actually going on on the field, now I know better.
 

Classic

RodentRampage said:
What game are you watching? He's completing about 2/3 of his passes, how is that inaccurate? I used to think that these assessments people were making had something to do with what was actually going on on the field, now I know better.
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It just keeps getting better and better, doesn't it?

Statistically, the Gophers have one of the worst defenses in the NATION, giving up a nation's WORST 6.4 yards per carry; The games against USD and NIU were decided by 2-3 plays either way...


..... and yet folks still want to pin the 1-3 record on Weber?? There is no POSSIBLE way these guys are watching the games. Weber misses open receivers. Really? No kidding? Watch any game on Sunday afternoon, NFL QB's miss open receivers all the time, including Aaron Rodgers last night who missed at least half a dozen and he's supposed to be one of the best in the league. Favre is a HOF'er and he hasn't missed open receivers this year? Pull your head out.

Weber hasn't been perfect by any stretch but he's about reason #11 on the list of why the Gophers lost a couple games they should have won.
 

The team leader and face of the program is generally the starting QB. While coaches have said he gives us the best chance to win, it makes me question there evalualtion of the talent. Weber was a dual threat coming out of high school, not as talented as Gray. But when he became a threat in the backfield along with a legitimate running back threat. When Weber was restrained from running and made a pocket passer there was no threat. Think Juice Williams with Rashard Mendenhall. Without Rashard, Juice was fair to midland. And the same can be said of Weber, with one caveat, we have no running back like Rashard. Maybe, Maybe Lamonte is the answer. He needs to be ready for Gray. Then maybe we have two threats. Right now maybe 1. And how hard is it stop 1 option.
 

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