Weakling Wednesday Dropouts Updates

A factor looking forward: schedule. I mentioned the fact that this team was given a front-loaded schedule a week ago and was mocked by the usual suspects for excuse mongering but here are the facts.

Oregon and Michigan State will be the opponents completing the first half of our conference schedule. If you count Michigan State twice, our opponents in the first half of the schedule have a combined conference record (as of today) of 53-27. We will have played only two opponents with losing conference records as of today. One we beat on the road and the other we lost to by one point in double overtime in a game where we missed 15 free throws.

If you count Penn State twice and Wisconsin once, the opponents in the back half of our schedule have a combined conference record (as of today) of 33-48.
Thanks, good stuff.

Makes me feel better about Gophers chances of extending their season in March, even if it's only for a day or two. It would beat the alternative. Stealing the Oregon game tomorrow would be huge, for sure.
 

Thanks, good stuff.

Makes me feel better about Gophers chances of extending their season in March, even if it's only for a day or two. It would beat the alternative. Stealing the Oregon game tomorrow would be huge, for sure.

Thanks! A win tomorrow would be fantastic, almost as good as Michigan. It'll be a tall order that's for sure. And, of course, the final team of the first half (Mich ST on the road) still looks like a bridge too far!
 

A factor looking forward: schedule. I mentioned the fact that this team was given a front-loaded schedule a week ago and was mocked by the usual suspects for excuse mongering but here are the facts.

Oregon and Michigan State will be the opponents completing the first half of our conference schedule. If you count Michigan State twice, our opponents in the first half of the schedule have a combined conference record (as of today) of 53-27. We will have played only two opponents with losing conference records as of today. One we beat on the road and the other we lost to by one point in double overtime in a game where we missed 15 free throws.

If you count Penn State twice and Wisconsin once, the opponents in the back half of our schedule have a combined conference record (as of today) of 33-48.
Yep, back half of the schedule is definitely "easier" than the front half. As long as the team wins the games against the teams right around them there is a good chance to move out of the bottom 3 at least.
 

Thanks, good stuff.

Makes me feel better about Gophers chances of extending their season in March, even if it's only for a day or two. It would beat the alternative. Stealing the Oregon game tomorrow would be huge, for sure.
I don't know....for those counting the days until Johnson is fired those extra few days might just be too much to handle.

I mean what if the team goes on a run.....wins the Big Ten Tournament.....gets to the dance.....advances to the sweet 16.....we might be stuck with Ben forever......:)
 

Through Jan. 23
15. Northwestern (3-5)
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Weakling Wednesday Dropouts
16. Minnesota (2-6)
17. Nebraska (2-6)
18. Washington (1-7)

Jan. 24 Slate
Michigan (6-1) @ Purdue (7-2), 7 (FOX)
Penn State (3-5) @ Iowa (3-5), 8 (FS1)
UCLA (4-4) @ Washington (1-7), 10 (FS1)

Tonight's Gopher Rooting Interests (at this point in time)
Michigan @ Purdue -- It doesn't matter; assuming both will finish ahead of Gophers.

Penn State over Iowa -- Gophers already own a head-to-head win over the Hawkeyes (and don't play them again), and still have 2 cracks at Penn State ahead of them. For now we want Iowa involved in any tiebreaker that could help the Gophers get to that #15 spot.

UCLA over Washington -- Keep the Huskies at the bottom and as far away as possible. One less team to worry about, especially if Gophers beat Huskies next week.
 


Through Jan. 24
15. Penn State (3-6)
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Weakling Wednesday Dropouts
16. Minnesota (2-6)
17. Nebraska (2-6)
18. Washington (1-8)

Jan. 25 Slate
Michigan State (7-0) vs. Rutgers (3-5), 12:30 (CBS)
Oregon (5-3) @ Gophers (2-6), 3 (BTN)

Saturday's Gopher Rooting Interests
Michigan State over Rutgers (Sparty On)
Gophers over Oregon (Ski U Mah)
 
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If we hadn’t blown that game to Ohio state the team would be 4-5 and really pissed about their losses to north Texas, Wichita state, and wake forest


If this reads like sarcasm, it isn’t.
Had they won 3 of 4 vs Ohio state and those 3 non conference losses. They’d be in really good shape right now.
As it is, probably need to finish 6-5 to make the NIT and 10-1 to make ncaa tourney
 

I don't know....for those counting the days until Johnson is fired those extra few days might just be too much to handle.

I mean what if the team goes on a run.....wins the Big Ten Tournament.....gets to the dance.....advances to the sweet 16.....we might be stuck with Ben forever......:)
^^^ THIS is an example of a Ben apologist.

The whole "Four more years" thread is a Ben apologist thread.

IF the latter happens (it won't) it would be Hindenburg historic. John Wooden historic. Zero coaches in modern D1 basketball have been #1. Hired with zero experience, #2. Produced three consecutive historically bad seasons and then #3 started a season 0-6 in conference and gone on to the sweet 16. Would I love to see it? Absolutely. Is it going to happen? Hell no. I will enjoy each and every victory and then celebrate when Ben is fired. #GOGOPHERS!!
 

^^^ THIS is an example of a Ben apologist.

The whole "Four more years" thread is a Ben apologist thread.

IF the latter happens (it won't) it would be Hindenburg historic. John Wooden historic. Zero coaches in modern D1 basketball have been #1. Hired with zero experience, #2. Produced three consecutive historically bad seasons and then #3 started a season 0-6 in conference and gone on to the sweet 16. Would I love to see it? Absolutely. Is it going to happen? Hell no. I will enjoy each and every victory and then celebrate when Ben is fired. #GOGOPHERS!!
lol....In no way shape or form does anything I said there imply that Ben is the answer. And the 4 more years thread was complete sarcasm. And if you took that last part literally at all I don't know what to do for you because that was clearly a joke.....even put the smiley face in there to help those that read everything literally......

There are no apologists. There are people that would love to see him succeed because it is the best case scenario for the program but you would be hard pressed to find anyone here who is happy with the Ben Johnson tenure and thinks he is the long term solution for the program.
 



lol....In no way shape or form does anything I said there imply that Ben is the answer. And the 4 more years thread was complete sarcasm. And if you took that last part literally at all I don't know what to do for you because that was clearly a joke.....even put the smiley face in there to help those that read everything literally......

There are no apologists. There are people that would love to see him succeed because it is the best case scenario for the program but you would be hard pressed to find anyone here who is happy with the Ben Johnson tenure and thinks he is the long term solution for the program.
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The Gophers have broken through.

Next up, the Spartans, as the two hottest teams in the conference meet in East Lansing. WTH, why not!

Through Jan. 25
15. Minnesota (3-6)
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Weakling Wednesday Dropouts
16. Rutgers (3-6)
17. Nebraska (2-6)
18. Washington (1-8)

Jan. 26 Slate
Maryland (5-4) @ Indiana (5-4), 11 (CBS)
Nebraska (2-6) @ Wisconsin (5-3), 12 (BTN)
Northwestern (3-5) @ Illinois (5-4), 2 (BTN)

Sunday's Gopher Rooting Interests
Maryland over Indiana (Hoosiers are more likely to implode down the stretch)
Wisconsin over Nebraska (yes, I say, go Badgers!)
Illinois over Northwestern ('Cats winless on the road, but playing everyone tough)
 

The Gophers have broken through.

Next up, the Spartans, as the two hottest teams in the conference meet in East Lansing. WTH, why not!

Through Jan. 25
15. Minnesota (3-6)
———————-
Weakling Wednesday Dropouts
16. Rutgers (3-6)
17. Nebraska (2-6)
18. Washington (1-8)

Jan. 26 Slate
Maryland (5-4) @ Indiana (5-4), 11 (CBS)
Nebraska (2-6) @ Wisconsin (5-3), 12 (BTN)
Northwestern (3-5) @ Illinois (5-4), 2 (BTN)

Sunday's Gopher Rooting Interests
Maryland over Indiana (Hoosiers are more likely to implode down the stretch)
Wisconsin over Nebraska (yes, I say, go Badgers!)
Illinois over Northwestern ('Cats winless on the road, but playing everyone tough)
Guessing it won't happen but how crazy would it be for Rutgers, with the recruiting class they brought in, ended up missing the Big Ten Tournament? I guess if there is a good time to play Michigan State it is probably right now while we are playing at a high level.
 

The Gophers have broken through.

Next up, the Spartans, as the two hottest teams in the conference meet in East Lansing. WTH, why not!

Through Jan. 25
15. Minnesota (3-6)
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Weakling Wednesday Dropouts
16. Rutgers (3-6)
17. Nebraska (2-6)
18. Washington (1-8)

Jan. 26 Slate
Maryland (5-4) @ Indiana (5-4), 11 (CBS)
Nebraska (2-6) @ Wisconsin (5-3), 12 (BTN)
Northwestern (3-5) @ Illinois (5-4), 2 (BTN)

Sunday's Gopher Rooting Interests
Maryland over Indiana (Hoosiers are more likely to implode down the stretch)
Wisconsin over Nebraska (yes, I say, go Badgers!)
Illinois over Northwestern ('Cats winless on the road, but playing everyone tough)
START THE B1G TOURNAMENT NOW!!!!!
 



If we hadn’t blown that game to Ohio state the team would be 4-5 and really pissed about their losses to north Texas, Wichita state, and wake forest


If this reads like sarcasm, it isn’t.
Had they won 3 of 4 vs Ohio state and those 3 non conference losses. They’d be in really good shape right now.
As it is, probably need to finish 6-5 to make the NIT and 10-1 to make ncaa tourney
They couldn't have beaten Wichita And Wake Forest. Only one or the other. They have three very close losses (North Texas, Wichita and OSU) and one very close win (Michigan.) The two to regret are Wichita and OSU because they basically had them won.
 

The Gophers have broken through.

Next up, the Spartans, as the two hottest teams in the conference meet in East Lansing. WTH, why not!

Through Jan. 25
15. Minnesota (3-6)
———————-
Weakling Wednesday Dropouts
16. Rutgers (3-6)
17. Nebraska (2-6)
18. Washington (1-8)

Jan. 26 Slate
Maryland (5-4) @ Indiana (5-4), 11 (CBS)
Nebraska (2-6) @ Wisconsin (5-3), 12 (BTN)
Northwestern (3-5) @ Illinois (5-4), 2 (BTN)

Sunday's Gopher Rooting Interests
Maryland over Indiana (Hoosiers are more likely to implode down the stretch)
Wisconsin over Nebraska (yes, I say, go Badgers!)
Illinois over Northwestern ('Cats winless on the road, but playing everyone tough)
It might be elsewhere in the thread, but do your standings take into account the practically infinite tiebreaker scenarios or just overall winning percentage like published standings seem to? I keep seeing both Nebraska and Rutgers on the road and I get concerned. Both those places are house of horrors and they could easily be the ones we are scraping with at the end of the season.
 



It might be elsewhere in the thread, but do your standings take into account the practically infinite tiebreaker scenarios or just overall winning percentage like published standings seem to? I keep seeing both Nebraska and Rutgers on the road and I get concerned. Both those places are house of horrors and they could easily be the ones we are scraping with at the end of the season.
I use the tiebreakers as much as humanly possible early on, but it’s tougher without enough data.

For example, to determine #14 through #16 tonight, Gophers, Rutgers and Penn State all are 3-6. Head to head among the 3 Rutgers & Penn State already split (1-1), while the Gophers (0-0) have played neither. So with no definitive tiebreaker (1-1 vs. 0-0) between the 3, I seeded based on their best win.

Penn State at #14 with win over Purdue (8-2), Gophers #15 with win over Michigan (6-2), and Rutgers at #16 with win over UCLA (5-4).
 
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^^^ THIS is an example of a Ben apologist.

The whole "Four more years" thread is a Ben apologist thread.

IF the latter happens (it won't) it would be Hindenburg historic. John Wooden historic. Zero coaches in modern D1 basketball have been #1. Hired with zero experience, #2. Produced three consecutive historically bad seasons and then #3 started a season 0-6 in conference and gone on to the sweet 16. Would I love to see it? Absolutely. Is it going to happen? Hell no. I will enjoy each and every victory and then celebrate when Ben is fired. #GOGOPHERS!!
year 3 wasn't historically bad. it was actually a very good season for minnesota basketball. going 9-11 in conference and making the NIT
 

year 3 wasn't historically bad. it was actually a very good season for minnesota basketball. going 9-11 in conference and making the NIT
True but it also begs the question whether that is worthy of continuing if that is peak or near peak performance of the current leadership. I think most of us say no. Neither of which downplays the recent streak and good feelings it elicits. My struggle is that it would be much easier to be on a high with it if I could project it continuing at least into the short term future. I can’t with only one contributor having a chance to be back next season.
 

year 3 wasn't historically bad. it was actually a very good season for minnesota basketball. going 9-11 in conference and making the NIT

It wasn't historically bad, but it also wasn't 'very good'. It was a NIT team that was never close to being on the NCAA tournament bubble.
 
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year 3 wasn't historically bad. it was actually a very good season for minnesota basketball. going 9-11 in conference and making the NIT

I would call it "decent." Not quite "good." Still, it was the first overall winning season since 2019 so that was worth something.

What kept last season from being truly "good" was a collapse of sorts over the last 8 games of the season. On February 22nd after beating Ohio State, the team was sitting at 17-9 overall and 8-7 in conference. They then proceeded to lose 6 of their last 8 games with the only wins being a five-point victory over Penn State and a one-point victory at Butler in the NIT. Five of those six losses were by double digits. Last year's team simply ran out of gas down the stretch.
 

year 3 wasn't historically bad. it was actually a very good season for minnesota basketball. going 9-11 in conference and making the NIT
9-11 is "very good?" Gagging the B1G tournament is "very good?" Not even sneaking into the tournament is "very good?"

This, right here, is one of the problems with this program.
 

1) True but it also begs the question whether that is worthy of continuing if that is peak or near peak performance of the current leadership. I think most of us say no. Neither of which downplays the recent streak and good feelings it elicits. My struggle is that it would be much easier to be on a high with it if I could project it continuing at least into the short term future. 2) I can’t with only one contributor having a chance to be back next season.

1) That's ex ante reasoning. That's a good thing when trying to predict storms or terrorist attacks but it's not a great way to operate when deciding whether to reward or punish a coach. That's what Norwood Teague did with Tubby. What prospective coaching candidates saw was that a middling program offering low dollar compensation for a power conference program terminated a coach who had just gone to the NCAA tournament and won a game. In Ben's case, it would have meant firing a coach who had a winning season after four consecutive losing ones (half of which belonged to the former coach).

2) I think there are two "contributors" who have a chance to return next season: Asuma and Frank Mitchell. Furthermore, anyone who would coach here next season will face that same condition.
 

9-11 is "very good?" Gagging the B1G tournament is "very good?" Not even sneaking into the tournament is "very good?"

This, right here, is one of the problems with this program.

Pretty much sums up the entirety of the Minnesota sports scene.
#MinnesotaSports
 

Guessing it won't happen but how crazy would it be for Rutgers, with the recruiting class they brought in, ended up missing the Big Ten Tournament?

I thought they were overrated in pre-season estimates and I said so on this board. They didn't have a very good team last season but they lost 8 of the top 10 players in terms of minutes per game from that team and what they picked up in the portal wasn't that great. So, they are very reliant on freshmen this season (4 of the top 6 players in minutes per game in conference games). That's usually not a recipe for great success even if some of those freshmen are much better than usual. Two of those freshmen will almost surely declare for the draft after this season.
 


Guessing it won't happen but how crazy would it be for Rutgers, with the recruiting class they brought in, ended up missing the Big Ten Tournament? I guess if there is a good time to play Michigan State it is probably right now while we are playing at a high level.
At least the Steve Pikell is the second coming talk has abated.
 

I was thinking more of a rancid athletic supporter, like one that was worn for 10 straight days with no showers.
I had a flashback to HS football, as the RB wasn’t taught/ blessed with social grace San wore the same jock for two weeks at time and it reeked.
 

At least the Steve Pikell is the second coming talk has abated.
Having your best players as freshmen is no longer a formula that will work for big winning. Rutgers best players are freshmen but they are in a Catch 22 because if you can get them at a mid level Power 5 you take them. But without enough experienced talent it won’t work. I can’t remember but didn’t Rutgers have some decent players with eligibility left portal after last season?

Pikell isn’t second coming but he at least has a clear identity.
 




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