Voter Suppression efforts in full swing

cncmin

Well-known member
Joined
Nov 20, 2008
Messages
18,737
Reaction score
3,011
Points
113
Nothing stopping Dem controlled states from installing this completely fair system. Why don’t they?
Most of them do. And it’s costing them a lot of seats in the HoR, because nearly all red states are cheating.
 

Section2

Well-known member
Joined
Apr 30, 2009
Messages
51,260
Reaction score
4,993
Points
113
Most of them do. And it’s costing them a lot of seats in the HoR, because nearly all red states are cheating.
Come up with better policies and arguments so you can win statewide elections and change the process.
 

Wally

Well-known member
Joined
Dec 15, 2016
Messages
13,762
Reaction score
6,080
Points
113
Come up with better policies and arguments so you can win statewide elections and change the process.

Dems would be winning fair elections, see Wisconsin.

Only an idiot would make this argument about a rigged system.

It would be like Iowa cheating and hearing all the Gophers play calls in real time and Deuces answer would be, well PJ just needs to recruit better players....🙄
 

howeda7

Well-known member
Joined
Nov 22, 2008
Messages
61,002
Reaction score
16,416
Points
113
Come up with better policies and arguments so you can win statewide elections and change the process.
State Legislatures are gerrymandered to favor Republicans too. "Win statewide" doesn't give Dems control over the process. See Wisconsin/Michigan/PA.
 

KGF

Well-known member
Joined
Nov 15, 2013
Messages
22,455
Reaction score
4,268
Points
113
State Legislatures are gerrymandered to favor Republicans too. "Win statewide" doesn't give Dems control over the process. See Wisconsin/Michigan/PA.
Which of these states looks to you to have been gerrymandered and has the most potential for gerrymandering?
Wisconsin?
30A14ECF-D416-47E7-8275-622F0740E93F.jpeg

Michigan?
6A380BEA-7FF9-4B5B-8F5C-0340F59B734E.jpeg

Pennsylvania?
811C954D-FE5D-44FB-BEEC-2C92BF057C1F.jpeg

Or Illinois?

90F7284B-1CC5-4A40-98E4-8B58D2F78DCE.jpeg

9D95AB15-A998-4C51-953E-65C51F9683CC.jpeg

I can guarantee you that the Chicago suburban districts include enough minority representation to completely distort any logical geographic rationality.
 


howeda7

Well-known member
Joined
Nov 22, 2008
Messages
61,002
Reaction score
16,416
Points
113
Which of these states looks to you to have been gerrymandered and has the most potential for gerrymandering?
Wisconsin?
View attachment 16413

Michigan?
View attachment 16414

Pennsylvania?
View attachment 16415

Or Illinois?

View attachment 16416

View attachment 16417

I can guarantee you that the Chicago suburban districts include enough minority representation to completely distort any logical geographic rationality.
PA's map was far worse before it was thrown out by the courts for being so blatant.
 

KGF

Well-known member
Joined
Nov 15, 2013
Messages
22,455
Reaction score
4,268
Points
113
PA's map was far worse before it was thrown out by the courts for being so blatant.
So why are you including it in your post?

Answer the question. Which is worse?

Maybe “the courts” should throw Illinois’ districts out? B/c they’re a joke.
 

howeda7

Well-known member
Joined
Nov 22, 2008
Messages
61,002
Reaction score
16,416
Points
113
So why are you including it in your post?

Answer the question. Which is worse?

Maybe “the courts” should throw Illinois’ districts out? B/c they’re a joke.
I never said Illinois wasn't bad. It is. There are more on your side.
 

Section2

Well-known member
Joined
Apr 30, 2009
Messages
51,260
Reaction score
4,993
Points
113
State Legislatures are gerrymandered to favor Republicans too. "Win statewide" doesn't give Dems control over the process. See Wisconsin/Michigan/PA.
Have better arguments, get control of the school systems, control the media, ban dissenting opinions from social media, control the election system, and win elections so you can change it.
 






howeda7

Well-known member
Joined
Nov 22, 2008
Messages
61,002
Reaction score
16,416
Points
113
Lol. There are about 10 in this very thread that you dismissed with #yeahbut Illinois and #yeahbut Maryland.
 



KGF

Well-known member
Joined
Nov 15, 2013
Messages
22,455
Reaction score
4,268
Points
113
Lol. There are about 10 in this very thread that you dismissed with #yeahbut Illinois and #yeahbut Maryland.
Show us the maps? Demonstrate the gerrymandering.

It should be easy.
 




KGF

Well-known member
Joined
Nov 15, 2013
Messages
22,455
Reaction score
4,268
Points
113
No no no. You’re using someone else’s Tweet and taking their word for it.

I want facts. Like weird shaped congressional districts that can’t be explained. You know, like the Chicago metro area.

The most, maybe only unusual thing about the Florida map above is the shape of the 3rd district. Other than that, what’s unusual about the selected geographies of the districts?
 

Ogee Oglethorpe

Over Macho Grande?
Joined
Nov 20, 2008
Messages
12,022
Reaction score
3,821
Points
113
No no no. You’re using someone else’s Tweet and taking their word for it.

I want facts. Like weird shaped congressional districts that can’t be explained. You know, like the Chicago metro area.

The most, maybe only unusual thing about the Florida map above is the shape of the 3rd district. Other than that, what’s unusual about the selected geographies of the districts?
You don't trust Dave Wasserman to be telling the truth 100%? You think he would lie?

That's crazy talk!!
 


Wally

Well-known member
Joined
Dec 15, 2016
Messages
13,762
Reaction score
6,080
Points
113
Which of these states looks to you to have been gerrymandered and has the most potential for gerrymandering?
Wisconsin?
View attachment 16413

Michigan?
View attachment 16414

Pennsylvania?
View attachment 16415

Or Illinois?

View attachment 16416

View attachment 16417

I can guarantee you that the Chicago suburban districts include enough minority representation to completely distort any logical geographic rationality.

You can't necessarily look at a map and make any real conclusion on gerrymandering.

That said, yes some dem states are gerrymandered and Illinois is likely to be one. I fully support executing the dems that did it.

List for me the states with nonpartisan redistricting boards and who implemented them vs states with political redistricting.
 

KGF

Well-known member
Joined
Nov 15, 2013
Messages
22,455
Reaction score
4,268
Points
113
You can't necessarily look at a map and make any real conclusion on gerrymandering.

That said, yes some dem states are gerrymandered and Illinois is likely to be one. I fully support executing the dems that did it.

List for me the states with nonpartisan redistricting boards and who implemented them vs states with political redistricting.
By US Constitutional authority, state legislatures are responsible for elections, which includes determining congressional districts.

If the citizens of the state don’t like their districts, they can vote in different candidates. That’s the way the Constitution works.
 
Last edited:

Wally

Well-known member
Joined
Dec 15, 2016
Messages
13,762
Reaction score
6,080
Points
113
By US Constitutional authority, state legislatures are responsible for elections, which includes determining congressional districts.

If the citizens of the state don’t like their districts, they can vote in different candidates. That’s the way the Constitution works.

Would you say that no other Constitutional rights are in play when a state sets it's congressional districts?

Would you prioritize states rights over The Bill of Rights? Which constitutionally protected individual rights would states rights superceed?
 


Section2

Well-known member
Joined
Apr 30, 2009
Messages
51,260
Reaction score
4,993
Points
113
Would you say that no other Constitutional rights are in play when a state sets it's congressional districts?

Would you prioritize states rights over The Bill of Rights? Which constitutionally protected individual rights would states rights superceed?
How do district boundaries violate the Bill of Rights?
 




KGF

Well-known member
Joined
Nov 15, 2013
Messages
22,455
Reaction score
4,268
Points
113
Wow. They must have picked that little trick up from Illinois DemAOCrats.

But frankly, it’s nothing compared to Illinois shenanigans. They’ll only pick up one seat. Illinois has worked their redistricting out to pick up 3 or 4 seats over the last couple decades.
 
Last edited:

cncmin

Well-known member
Joined
Nov 20, 2008
Messages
18,737
Reaction score
3,011
Points
113
Have better arguments, get control of the school systems, control the media, ban dissenting opinions from social media, control the election system, and win elections so you can change it.
Complete fail of logic. If Dems had true “control” of all of this, why are Republicans still getting on the order of just under half the nation’s votes. it’s almost like Rrepublicans own about half of the power and half of the messaging. I suppose if only Republicans had the top cable propaganda station, owned most of the politicalmemes that float around Facebook, had authoritarian powers around the world pushing RW messaging, owned 1/6 of local TV stations and pushed Trumpist propaganda on their local news, most of our pastors and priests, had RW memes pushed all over Twitter, or controlled all of talk radio airwaves, maybe they’d have have at least a tiny messaging source. If only they could significantly overrepresent state and national legislatures and If only they could give themselves partisan control over election systems, then they could have a tiny chance at winning an election or two for a change.

you honestly believe their ridiculous bullshit spreads to all of you in a vacuum. pure nuttery. Disturbing.
 
Last edited:




Top Bottom