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Gophs = 25th in ESPN poll and 26th in AP....

I am shocked.
 

Why are you shocked?


I don't think you and others like you have the gophers vastly underrated.....I think you and others like you have the rest of the country vastly overrated.
 

That very well could be. I know we only have 2 bad loses (UVA and IU), but I just thought the way we played the last 2 games would have hurt on the "eye ball test" and drop us out. I know I'm about to contridict my self here, I don't know why, but I see us winning the the following games (Illini, @Iowa, Mich St, Mich, NW and Penn State). I'm sure that looks like homer picks, but we can do it. That would leave us at 11-7. I know, we would have to go 6-1 the rest of the way, but it is very possible.
 

Rosemountian said:
Why are you shocked?


I don't think you and others like you have the gophers vastly underrated.....I think you and others like you have the rest of the country vastly overrated.
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+1. While I expected the drop to be a few spots more then it was, people always have the mentality of 'we lost, therefore we suck and everyone else is better then us.' Who should be ranked ahead of us? Coastal Carolina is like #29 in the coaches poll. That should tell you something.
 

sidefx182 said:
That very well could be. I know we only have 2 bad loses (UVA and IU), but I just thought the way we played the last 2 games would have hurt on the "eye ball test" and drop us out.
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The majority of the people voting in this probably did not see one second of the Indiana game. Yes we lost, but only by 3. And those that saw the OSU game probably chalked it up mostly to thier dominance. There really isn't much of an eyeball test, sadly. The AP writers only see the teams in their own conference and the Coaches polls are filled out mostly by SIDs.
 


Rosemountian said:
Why are you shocked?


I don't think you and others like you have the gophers vastly underrated.....I think you and others like you have the rest of the country vastly overrated.
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Teams beat teams. Amen.
 

I'm shocked as well. I thought for sure they'd drop out. I actually think Minnesota is gaining credibilty and respect...slowly but surely, all thanks to Tubby being here.
 

Over rated no doubt about that.
 

Color me surprised we're still ranked. Not because of the loss yesterday, Ohio State is terrific, but because of the loss to IU.
 



SelectionSunday said:
Color me surprised we're still ranked. Not because of the loss yesterday, Ohio State is terrific, but because of the loss to IU.
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Definitely agree; thought we'd be buried in rankings after last week. Looking at the "others receiving votes," though, the talent drops off considerably. In fact, no one is even close after Minnesota in the AP poll. Tells you something about the rest of the nation.
 


Not to threadjack or anything, but I'm shocked that Ohio State is still the only team with first place votes when they almost lost to Northwestern and had close games with Illinois, Michigan, Penn State, Minnesota (no offense), and Iowa. It's not like they've beaten a ton of impressive non-conference teams either. Florida is the only one. They certainly don't look like the clear-cut #1 that the voters have made them out to be.
 

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Not to threadjack or anything, but I'm shocked that Ohio State is still the only team with first place votes when they almost lost to Northwestern and had close games with Illinois, Michigan, Penn State, Minnesota (no offense), and Iowa. It's not like they've beaten a ton of impressive non-conference teams either. Florida is the only one. They certainly don't look like the clear-cut #1 that the voters have made them out to be.
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They're the only undefeated team, so it's pretty hard for any voter to justify ranking anyone ahead of them. That doesn't mean that if they were to play Kansas or Duke on a neutral court right now, that the latter might not be favored, but you still can't justify saying they're #1.
 



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Not to threadjack or anything, but I'm shocked that Ohio State is still the only team with first place votes when they almost lost to Northwestern and had close games with Illinois, Michigan, Penn State, Minnesota (no offense), and Iowa. It's not like they've beaten a ton of impressive non-conference teams either. Florida is the only one. They certainly don't look like the clear-cut #1 that the voters have made them out to be.
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They are the only unbeaten team. They destroyed 14th Purdue. Swept 25 Minnesota. Won @ 17 Florida, Won @ Florida State who is one of the two losses for the #5 team in the country.


Honestly I don't see how anybody could vote for anyone other than them number 1 at this point in the season. There simply is no rational argument for anybody else to be rated number 1.
 

If there is one undefeated team in the country and they play in a "BCS conference", they have to be the hands down number 1. However, I think Texas might be the playing the best basketball right now.
 

Right now at this point in time, the Gophers are not a very good basketball team. I don't see how they could possibly be the 25th best team in the country. The unfortunate thing is that they are going back to Nov-Dec mode of trying to mold your team, find what combinations that work, etc.. Beyond anyones control but that is why I don't think the outlook is that good. It could take the rest of the Big Ten schedule to figure out what works best.
 

Rosemountian said:
They are the only unbeaten team. They destroyed 14th Purdue. Swept 25 Minnesota. Won @ 17 Florida, Won @ Florida State who is one of the two losses for the #5 team in the country.


Honestly I don't see how anybody could vote for anyone other than them number 1 at this point in the season. There simply is no rational argument for anybody else to be rated number 1.
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Even if there's another team out there playing better defense and whipping team's so badly that they don't even play their normal offense for most of the second half, whose only losses are to non-conference non-cupcakes? A team that's swept #22 Texas A&M, beat Kansas, UNC, and Michigan State on the road? Destroyed #19 Mizzou. Etc. Etc. Etc.

It's clear people look at things differently. But for every single voter to vote the same way is ridiculous to me. THe word "sheeple" comes to mind.

Texas and Kansas are both better than Ohio State. Sorry, undefeated #1, you don't get my non-existant vote.
 

^ your stupid. no. Texas and kansas LOST. OSU didnt. its that simple.
 



Sorry, Texas isn't better than those teams just because you say so. Undefeated is undefeated. A win is a win, regardless of how easily they win. A ranking isn't just based off the most recent games. Undefeated team from a major conference vs. 3 loss team... not a tough decision there.

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Even if there's another team out there playing better defense and whipping team's so badly that they don't even play their normal offense for most of the second half, whose only losses are to non-conference non-cupcakes? A team that's swept #22 Texas A&M, beat Kansas, UNC, and Michigan State on the road? Destroyed #19 Mizzou. Etc. Etc. Etc.

It's clear people look at things differently. But for every single voter to vote the same way is ridiculous to me. THe word "sheeple" comes to mind.

Texas and Kansas are both better than Ohio State. Sorry, undefeated #1, you don't get my non-existant vote.
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underground629 said:
Sorry, Texas isn't better than those teams just because you say so. Undefeated is undefeated. A win is a win, regardless of how easily they win. A ranking isn't just based off the most recent games. Undefeated team from a major conference vs. 3 loss team... not a tough decision there.
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I never said they were a better team just because I say so. It's just my opinion. I wish the two teams could play on a neutral court tomorrow. If they did, Vegas would favor Texas or Kansas against Ohio State right now. The fact is Ohio State has been struggling with weak opponents when the other teams haven't at all. All I'm saying is that with Ohio State's recent struggles it's amazing to me that every single voter voted them number one just because they scheduled more cupcakes. I guess for the simpleminded it is just that simple.

And GTFO of here with the comparison of this argument to football rankings. You are comparing apples to tonka toys. It's completely different.
 

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every single voter voted them number one just because they scheduled more cupcakes. I guess for the simpleminded it is just that simple.
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So Texas losing by 17 to USC is just because Texas scheduled fantastically difficult opponents? It REALLY IS that simple. OSU has beaten EVERY TEAM that has taken the floor against them. Texas has lost. Three times at that.
 

fryguy22 said:
So Texas losing by 17 to USC is just because Texas scheduled fantastically difficult opponents? It REALLY IS that simple. OSU has beaten EVERY TEAM that has taken the floor against them. Texas has lost. Three times at that.
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Yeah, they played like crap during their first road game. Sue them. Actually, don't. Try telling me something I'm not already painfully aware of, dumbass. The point I've made repeatedly (and one you clearly are incapable of understanding) is that right now Texas and Kansas are both better. But yes, let's reward Ohio State because they eeked out a win against NW and are still undefeated. It is that simple for simps like you.
 

SO while Ohio State "eeked" by N'Western and Texas got creamed by USC, that doesn't matter because Texas is dominating more teams than OSU? I bet if Ohio State sneaks by 6 teams in the NCAA's, they wont be complaning. A win is a win.

Apparently you are incapable of understanding everyone else's point.
 

no matter what you think, Michigan, Northwestern, and Indiana can beat anyone on any given night. Michigan almost beat kansas and syracuse. Since kansas eeked out a win at Michigan should they be ranked 9th in the nation? Northwestern could beat anyone in the country, because they can shoot 70% from 3 any night. These arent bad teams in the B10
 

Gopherocious said:
SO while Ohio State "eeked" by N'Western and Texas got creamed by USC, that doesn't matter because Texas is dominating more teams than OSU? I bet if Ohio State sneaks by 6 teams in the NCAA's, they wont be complaning. A win is a win.

Apparently you are incapable of understanding everyone else's point.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but rankings are to rank the which teams deserve to be number one right now (this week). Not several weeks ago. At least, that's how I see them. If I think one team is better than another right now, I'd rank them accordingly.

And Go Gophs Eh? .... 70 % from three on any given night for NW? Yeah, okay.... I'll wait for you to supply some stats that support such a ridiculous statement seeing as how they are shooting less than 40% on the season. And yes, any team can win or lose on any given night. Thanks for notifying me of such an unheard concept. :rolleyes:
 

Obviously how a team has been playing recently matters, but rankings are based largely on the season as a whole. Otherwise rankings would fluctuate like crazy. What if Texas had the exact same resume except lost their first two games? By your logic they'd deserve to be ranked 1st because they're the best team right now.

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but rankings are to rank the which teams deserve to be number one right now (this week).
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Yeah, they played like crap during their first road game. Sue them. Actually, don't. Try telling me something I'm not already painfully aware of, dumbass. The point I've made repeatedly (and one you clearly are incapable of understanding) is that right now Texas and Kansas are both better. But yes, let's reward Ohio State because they eeked out a win against NW and are still undefeated. It is that simple for simps like you.
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Probably unnecessary to resort to language and name calling. I realize you probably already knew about the USC loss, I was trying to make a point not give you new information. In my opinion, there is no reason for anyone to vote OSU anywhere other than #1 until they lose. Texas has lost. Three times.

What makes you say Texas and Kansas are definitely better right now? That's your opinion. In my opinion, Alabama could have beaten anyone in football at the end of the season (judging by their bowl game). They lost games earlier in the year and therefore were not number one. If the Gophers come out tomorrow and beat Illinois 300-10 they won't be number one due to previous losses. The BODY OF WORK matters, and over the entire body of work Ohio State has beaten everyone in front of them - Texas has lost (three times). That is simple enough for a "simp" like me.
 

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