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BREAKING: North Carolina transfer G/F Cade Tyson has committed to the Gophers according to On3 Sports.

Tyson is listed at 6-foot-7, averaged 16.2p, 5.9r and 1.6a on 49.3/46.5/85.5 splits in 2023-24 at Belmont. 1 year of eligibility remaining. Medved and Gopher stock continues to rise!!
 














Cade's stats last year at NC:
fg%: 40
3pt %: 29
free throw %: 56
rebounds: 1/game
minutes/game 8, most likely end of game stats.

Stats at Belmont significantly better. B10 more like ACC not whatever Belmont's conference.
 

dbmn said:
Cade's stats last year at NC:
fg%: 40
3pt %: 29
free throw %: 56
rebounds: 1/game
minutes/game 8, most likely end of game stats.

Stats at Belmont significantly better. B10 more like ACC not whatever Belmont's conference.
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Really? You are an elite basketball mind.
 



dbmn said:
Cade's stats last year at NC:
fg%: 40
3pt %: 29
free throw %: 56
rebounds: 1/game
minutes/game 8, most likely end of game stats.

Stats at Belmont significantly better. B10 more like ACC not whatever Belmont's conference.
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Do you think Niko's offense will improve these stats or not?
 

Blackhammer said:
Really? You are an elite basketball mind.
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Haha, you're mocking the wrong post. Seems the original post was touting a 16 pt/game average. A bit higher than the 2.9 last year in a real basketball conference. I hope he meets gopher fan expectations. There's a lot of scoring/reb's to replace after losing almost the entire roster.

ORIGINAL POST:
BREAKING: North Carolina transfer G/F Cade Tyson has committed to the Gophers according to On3 Sports.

Tyson is listed at 6-foot-7, averaged 16.2p, 5.9r and 1.6a on 49.3/46.5/85.5 splits in 2023-24 at Belmont. 1 year of eligibility remaining. Medved and Gopher stock continues to rise!!
 

FinnGopher said:
Do you think Niko's offense will improve these stats or not?
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Probably. Needs more minutes, which is obvious. The original post is misleading presenting average pts/game at 16 and 3pt % at 40+.

At 8 minutes/game at NC he wasn't playing in the regular rotation and the averages include preseason games. Certainly, hope he outperforms last season's stats. We really need to replace a lot of scoring/rebounds/minutes.
 

dbmn said:
Haha, you're mocking the wrong post. Seems the original post was touting a 16 pt/game average. A bit higher than the 2.9 last year in a real basketball conference. I hope he meets gopher fan expectations. There's a lot of scoring/reb's to replace after losing almost the entire roster.

ORIGINAL POST:
BREAKING: North Carolina transfer G/F Cade Tyson has committed to the Gophers according to On3 Sports.

Tyson is listed at 6-foot-7, averaged 16.2p, 5.9r and 1.6a on 49.3/46.5/85.5 splits in 2023-24 at Belmont. 1 year of eligibility remaining. Medved and Gopher stock continues to rise!!
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Hopefully somewhere between Carolina and Belmont stats.😀 Somewhat encouraging Carolina recruiting him so originally they must have liked his game.
 

Blackhammer said:
Hopefully somewhere between Carolina and Belmont stats.😀 Somewhat encouraging Carolina recruiting him so originally they must have liked his game.
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Agree. That's a bit perplexing that NC would recruit a deserving player and that player would then leave such a good team. I think Medved has a lot to prove (at MN) with his coaching and recruiting. Couldn't be worse than CBJ. Ironically, Medved was available when CBJ was hired. Shows the ineptness and failure of the athletic department/administration with regards to basketball since 1999 when Clem was fired.
 
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dbmn said:
Haha, you're mocking the wrong post. Seems the original post was touting a 16 pt/game average. A bit higher than the 2.9 last year in a real basketball conference. I hope he meets gopher fan expectations. There's a lot of scoring/reb's to replace after losing almost the entire roster.

ORIGINAL POST:
BREAKING: North Carolina transfer G/F Cade Tyson has committed to the Gophers according to On3 Sports.

Tyson is listed at 6-foot-7, averaged 16.2p, 5.9r and 1.6a on 49.3/46.5/85.5 splits in 2023-24 at Belmont. 1 year of eligibility remaining. Medved and Gopher stock continues to rise!!
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This is the same forum that thought the guy from wsu that Ben came out and admitted was for Payne in practice wod be a contributer.. of course the expectations are ungodly
 

dbmn said:
Agree. That's a bit perplexing that NC would recruit a deserving player and that player would then leave such a good team. I think Medved has a lot to prove (at MN) with his coaching and recruiting. Couldn't be worse than CBJ. Ironically, Medved was available when CBJ was hired. Shows the ineptness and failure of the athletic department/administration with regards to basketball since 1999 when Clem was fired.
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When CBJ was hired Niko hadn't made an NCAA Tournament. He made it 3 of the last 4 years. The timing wasn't right back then and his resume greatly improved. Don't get me wrong Ben was a terrible hire at the time too.

Niko is also a much better coach than Hubert Davis. Niko tends to develop players and play to their strengths. Hubert let Caleb Love and RJ Davis get hot for one tournament and has underachieved since then. Niko's system should be great for a guy that is 55% on catch and shoot 3s in his career.
 

Beerculees said:
When CBJ was hired Niko hadn't made an NCAA Tournament. He made it 3 of the last 4 years. The timing wasn't right back then and his resume greatly improved. Don't get me wrong Ben was a terrible hire at the time too.

Niko is also a much better coach than Hubert Davis. Niko tends to develop players and play to their strengths. Hubert let Caleb Love and RJ Davis get hot for one tournament and has underachieved since then. Niko's system should be great for a guy that is 55% on catch and shoot 3s in his career.
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We can hope Medved improves on the results from the last 25 years. Tubby Smith had better credentials than Medved and he had approximately a .500 b10 record with the gophers. If Medved goes .500 and makes the tourney every other year, I'll be satisfied.
 

dbmn said:
We can hope Medved improves on the results from the last 25 years. Tubby Smith had better credentials than Medved and he had approximately a .500 b10 record with the gophers. If Medved goes .500 and makes the tourney every other year, I'll be satisfied.
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Tubby's biggest struggle was he had no ball movement in his offense and the game became stagnant. Watching Niko's offense at Colorado State, he had much better ball movement that got good looks for open shots.
Tubby, however, recruited better pure athletes. It's unknown if Niko's players can compete against the pure athleticism in the Big10.
 

FinnGopher said:
Tubby's biggest struggle was he had no ball movement in his offense and the game became stagnant. Watching Niko's offense at Colorado State, he had much better ball movement that got good looks for open shots.
Tubby, however, recruited better pure athletes. It's unknown if Niko's players can compete against the pure athleticism in the Big10.
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This. Tubby’s teams D’d up! It didn’t matter who we were playing, you knew we’d be in the game because of the way they played on the defensive side of the ball.

But dang, there were some brutal losses because of stagnant offense with little movement in those crucial possessions at the end of the game.
 

Interesting on 247 Sports, they have Cade Tyson tied at .91 with Chansey Willis JR for the 2nd highest rated transfer after Bobby Durkin.

I also like that Niko sees what we see in that we needed at least 1 more big and he got Turner. Than we all noticed we had one lock down shooter in Durkin, and a couple others with decent numbers from 3 in Asuma and Reynolds, and we needed more. He signs Tyson and Stephens! Two shooters.

Ben's roster always felt incomplete, and 1 injury away from disaster.
21-22 team had zero depth.
22-23 team was young and had potential, but was bad from 3 and Battle and Garcia had trouble playing together (defense and rebounding).
23-24 Easily the best roster; Subtract Battle and add a real SF in Christie 6-6. Helps to have a big sf when your pg is maybe 6' and Mitchell was 6-2. at SG.
24-25 Had a ton of 6-2/6-3 guards. thank God SF Femi a 6-6 athlete was there to help on defense and rebounding. End of year Asuma and F. Mitchell were the 2nd best guard and post respectively. Yet Ben had them both off the bench. End of season F. Mitchell's physical play was the perfect compliment to Garcia's finesse. Fox would be a fireplug off the bench. Maybe you cant bench a 26 year old! lol

Anyway, Niko's roster looks right. Yes almost all are mid majors and maybe only 60-70% can handle this level. We have quickness at guard, we have shooters, we have two physical post players. We have solid role guys like JCJ. We have some potential on defense as well: Willis, Asuma, Reynolds, and Omot all could be above average. We have 4 guys 230 or more who can set a solid pick! That hasn't been the case since Tubby's teams.
 

march madness said:
Interesting on 247 Sports, they have Cade Tyson tied at .91 with Chansey Willis JR for the 2nd highest rated transfer after Bobby Durkin.

I also like that Niko sees what we see in that we needed at least 1 more big and he got Turner. Than we all noticed we had one lock down shooter in Durkin, and a couple others with decent numbers from 3 in Asuma and Reynolds, and we needed more. He signs Tyson and Stephens! Two shooters.

Ben's roster always felt incomplete, and 1 injury away from disaster.
21-22 team had zero depth.
22-23 team was young and had potential, but was bad from 3 and Battle and Garcia had trouble playing together (defense and rebounding).
23-24 Easily the best roster; Subtract Battle and add a real SF in Christie 6-6. Helps to have a big sf when your pg is maybe 6' and Mitchell was 6-2. at SG.
24-25 Had a ton of 6-2/6-3 guards. thank God SF Femi a 6-6 athlete was there to help on defense and rebounding. End of year Asuma and F. Mitchell were the 2nd best guard and post respectively. Yet Ben had them both off the bench. End of season F. Mitchell's physical play was the perfect compliment to Garcia's finesse. Fox would be a fireplug off the bench. Maybe you cant bench a 26 year old! lol

Anyway, Niko's roster looks right. Yes almost all are mid majors and maybe only 60-70% can handle this level. We have quickness at guard, we have shooters, we have two physical post players. We have solid role guys like JCJ. We have some potential on defense as well: Willis, Asuma, Reynolds, and Omot all could be above average. We have 4 guys 230 or more who can set a solid pick! That hasn't been the case since Tubby's teams.
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To go on top of that, there was obvious flaws with all Ben teams that you could even seen in the offseason.
21-22: Patchwork team no depth
22-23: Youth
23-24: Defense (but the best CBJ team)
24-25: Free Throws and consistent offense/shooting

With that said what is everyone's opinion on why this team will be successful and why will they be unsuccessful.


Here is mine:
This team will be successful if the play Team Basketball: Ball Movement, Team Rebounding, Help Defense in the paint. The team appears to have depth (especially at the forward spot) and if they can be one cohesive unit that will help get them into tourney conversation.

This team will be unsuccessful if the lack of a true center comes into play. If we don't see the team rebounding and help defense in the paint, the Bigs in the BIG could wreak havoc on us.
 

march madness said:
Interesting on 247 Sports, they have Cade Tyson tied at .91 with Chansey Willis JR for the 2nd highest rated transfer after Bobby Durkin.

I also like that Niko sees what we see in that we needed at least 1 more big and he got Turner. Than we all noticed we had one lock down shooter in Durkin, and a couple others with decent numbers from 3 in Asuma and Reynolds, and we needed more. He signs Tyson and Stephens! Two shooters.

Ben's roster always felt incomplete, and 1 injury away from disaster.
21-22 team had zero depth.
22-23 team was young and had potential, but was bad from 3 and Battle and Garcia had trouble playing together (defense and rebounding).
23-24 Easily the best roster; Subtract Battle and add a real SF in Christie 6-6. Helps to have a big sf when your pg is maybe 6' and Mitchell was 6-2. at SG.
24-25 Had a ton of 6-2/6-3 guards. thank God SF Femi a 6-6 athlete was there to help on defense and rebounding. End of year Asuma and F. Mitchell were the 2nd best guard and post respectively. Yet Ben had them both off the bench. End of season F. Mitchell's physical play was the perfect compliment to Garcia's finesse. Fox would be a fireplug off the bench. Maybe you cant bench a 26 year old! lol

Anyway, Niko's roster looks right. Yes almost all are mid majors and maybe only 60-70% can handle this level. We have quickness at guard, we have shooters, we have two physical post players. We have solid role guys like JCJ. We have some potential on defense as well: Willis, Asuma, Reynolds, and Omot all could be above average. We have 4 guys 230 or more who can set a solid pick! That hasn't been the case since Tubby's teams.
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In the 2024 portal, Cade Tyson was one of the country's most coveted acquisitions by NC. Ranked #28 4-star, 95.38 rating. So we should believe he got worse (or was overrated in '24) after a year at NC? Perhaps exposed a little defensively, but not worse.

I think the crucial aspects to MN success this season are 1. Maximizing the number of possessions per game (increase pace of play, turn teams over). 2. Making shots in at more contested level of P4 play. 3. The wild card is Nehemiah Turner's development as the year progresses to fill the lane and rim protect.
That said, its tough to judge this team not having seen many of the guys play their good games and bad games. Hopefully Niko can coach them up.
 

This depends on which Tyson we would be getting. The one last year or the one before at Belmont?
If it is last years Tyson, he will be riding the bench a ton. And with the poor FT %, just foul the guy is what teams will do instead of letting him shoot a 3 or other jump shot.
He is also in the 6'7" range like most of the Gophers team. We still need a big body C/PF to round this team out.
 

topos said:
This. Tubby’s teams D’d up! It didn’t matter who we were playing, you knew we’d be in the game because of the way they played on the defensive side of the ball.

But dang, there were some brutal losses because of stagnant offense with little movement in those crucial possessions at the end of the game.
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On one of his first teams he refused to play Paul Carter because of a few defensive deficiencies, not terrible but didn't meet his standards even though the offensive flow was night and day better when he was on the court. He just valued defense more.
 

Beerculees said:
To go on top of that, there was obvious flaws with all Ben teams that you could even seen in the offseason.
21-22: Patchwork team no depth
22-23: Youth
23-24: Defense (but the best CBJ team)
24-25: Free Throws and consistent offense/shooting

With that said what is everyone's opinion on why this team will be successful and why will they be unsuccessful.


Here is mine:
This team will be successful if the play Team Basketball: Ball Movement, Team Rebounding, Help Defense in the paint. The team appears to have depth (especially at the forward spot) and if they can be one cohesive unit that will help get them into tourney conversation.

This team will be unsuccessful if the lack of a true center comes into play. If we don't see the team rebounding and help defense in the paint, the Bigs in the BIG could wreak havoc on us.
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I've asked this prior but I don't remember anyone answering. What teams have quality, traditional centers that Turner 6'10" 265 and Vaihola 6'8" 245 can't adequately body up against?

It keeps being raised as a concern but I'm curious how many teams we need to be fearful of this dynamic? Genuinely asking as I don't know the rest of the B1G rosters.
 

Beerculees said:
When CBJ was hired Niko hadn't made an NCAA Tournament. He made it 3 of the last 4 years. The timing wasn't right back then and his resume greatly improved. Don't get me wrong Ben was a terrible hire at the time too.

Niko is also a much better coach than Hubert Davis. Niko tends to develop players and play to their strengths. Hubert let Caleb Love and RJ Davis get hot for one tournament and has underachieved since then. Niko's system should be great for a guy that is 55% on catch and shoot 3s in his career.
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Hubert Davis took a roster with seven 5 star players and two 4 star players, mixed them with 3 highly regarded transfers (two 4 stars and one 3 star) and barely made the NCAA tournament's first 4 games.

This is the equivalent of getting to pick your dodgeball squad from the entire school's available list of students, then barely beating the team that is mostly theater and band kids.

Niko Medved, nearly going to the Sweet Sixteen with those band and theater kids, will know how to use Cade Tyson better than Hubert Davis.
 

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