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I saw this tweet. I hope whatever caused this to happen is taken care of. There were obviously some bad things happening in Iowa City

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Iowa player's relative called me. Says kid's kidney function below 40 %. I won't name him, but kid's no freshman
 


If this is true; this is even sadder than I thought. I do not care if it is Iowa or not, this is just awful. I hope they get to the bottom of all of this too because I will virtually guarantee not all of this is from the workout. The body will almost always collapse or shut down prior to such catastrophic damage physical damage. Couple that with the fact that many players showed symptoms, there has to be some sort foreign substance that induces this type of muscular breakdown. This is going to play out awfully interesting.
 

gophervet said:
If this is true; this is even sadder than I thought. I do not care if it is Iowa or not, this is just awful. I hope they get to the bottom of all of this too because I will virtually guarantee not all of this is from the workout. The body will almost always collapse or shut down prior to such catastrophic damage physical damage. Couple that with the fact that many players showed symptoms, there has to be some sort foreign substance that induces this type of muscular breakdown. This is going to play out awfully interesting.
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Agreed. I don't like seeing this happen to anyone. Maybe it's a supplement or maybe the Iowa S&C staff went bonkers for a day. Whatever, it's a cautionary tale.
 

I've said it before on here and I'll say it again, those guys were taking steroids. Every college FB player in America takes creatine and works themselves into the ground in the "off season", why is the Iowa program so different??? Give me a break, Iowa just sweeping things under the rug again.
 


This just keeps getting worse

On the Iowa Scout board and they're saying that "@ 5:45PM; Bob Bruce on 600 WMT just reported that they had two players on dialysis."

I feel so bad for those kids and their families.

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This is a terrible situation for the injured players, their family's and friends. I pray for their full recovery and sincerely hope the truth is discovered and shared to help prevent this from happening again.
 

Interesting to see some of the Ferentz apologists saying mountains are being made out of mole hills. I have a ton of respect for Ferentz, but his lack of a statement to this point really earns him an "F" in crisis management.
 

According to ESPN, illegal drugs ruled out.
 



50PoundHead said:
Interesting to see some of the Ferentz apologists saying mountains are being made out of mole hills. I have a ton of respect for Ferentz, but his lack of a statement to this point really earns him an "F" in crisis management.
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He can't say much because of the privacy rights law given to student-athletes who are in the hospital. I'm guessing their attorneys are telling him he can't talk specifics about the patients and they are probably telling him can't talk generally for fear of admission of some sort of negligence. His hands are likely tied.

I'm thinking there must be something that explains this. Did they all take some tainted supplements? Something must be at play here.

Whatever the cause, the national pub they are getting is not good for them.
 

tjgopher said:
He can't say much because of the privacy rights law given to student-athletes who are in the hospital. I'm guessing their attorneys are telling him he can't talk specifics about the patients and they are probably telling him can't talk generally for fear of admission of some sort of negligence. His hands are likely tied.

I'm thinking there must be something that explains this. Did they all take some tainted supplements? Something must be at play here.

Whatever the cause, the national pub they are getting is not good for them.
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I think at least a statement saying something to the effect that "Some of our players are hospitalized. Our prayers are with them for a full recovery." may be in order.
 

tjgopher said:
He can't say much because of the privacy rights law given to student-athletes who are in the hospital. I'm guessing their attorneys are telling him he can't talk specifics about the patients and they are probably telling him can't talk generally for fear of admission of some sort of negligence. His hands are likely tied.

I'm thinking there must be something that explains this. Did they all take some tainted supplements? Something must be at play here.

Whatever the cause, the national pub they are getting is not good for them.
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If it comes out that this is a pretty serious situation (pretty much all rumors to this point) then it will look bad that Ferentz didn't come back to Iowa City right away. Like others have said, it would be hard to believe him when he's in a recruit's living room trying to get the parents to trust him if he didn't come back to be with his players in a pretty serious situation.
 

Whatever rules were bent to have this occur in the first place, I'm baffled at how long it had to have gone on. How was it not stopped when the 1st kid went down? I can't see how this ends well for the Iowa staff.
 



I will defer to any doctor on the board, but I believe the condition is the same as with serious burn patients where kidneys are overwhelmed trying to filter dead tissue out of the blood stream. It is a very serious condition, but I believe dialysis is sometimes used to decrease pressure on the kidneys to allow them to recover. Being on dialysis is really serious, but I don't believe it automatically means the kidneys cannot recover most of their function in this situation.
Hopefully the dialysis is a temporary requirement.
 

From what I know of the condition and to put it relatively simply, when muscle is broken down myglobin is released into the blood stream. Myglobin damages the kidney tubules causing kidney disease. The key in this situation is how much kidney damage has occurred. The kidney can still perform at very high level with only 25-33 percent function, but there are a ton of variables into what has happened here. Was something else at play? Were the kidney functions compromised previously? Also, a systemic reaction has occurred so how and where has it? Did they flush the myoglobin out quickly enough to counteract some kidney problems?

Coincidently I am in a disorders of the urinary system class right now so this is particularly interesting to me.
 

howeda7 said:
Whatever rules were bent to have this occur in the first place, I'm baffled at how long it had to have gone on. How was it not stopped when the 1st kid went down? I can't see how this ends well for the Iowa staff.
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I think you're falling into the trap that almost all the national media types have fallen into in thinking that it was the workout itself that sent these kids to the hospital. It wasn't like they were working them out, one kid went down, they sent him to the hospital, they kept working the others hard, a second went down and they sent him to the hospital, the workout continued until they finally had sent them all to the hospital one by one.

They all had completed the workout when their bodies started shutting down. The workout was over. They started feeling symptoms and several ended up in the hospital.

As I said earlier, I would guess this will be traced back to these guys taking some tainted supplements or creatine or something like that.

The workout these guys went through is definitely a tough one, but it isn't anything that they haven't done before. It isn't that different or more fierce than programs being used in all college football training rooms across the nation. The Iowa S&C coach is one of the best there is. He's is highly respected. To have 13 players end up in the hospital has to lead one to a conclusion that there is a variable at play here (probably supplements or something similar). It simply wasn't just a tough workout that put 13 guys in hospital beds at once.

That doesn't mean this isn't serious or that everyone is let off the hook, but this idea that the staff there was working them out so hard that they were picking them off one by one and sending them to the hospital is wrong.
 

sonnygarcia said:
I've said it before on here and I'll say it again, those guys were taking steroids. Every college FB player in America takes creatine and works themselves into the ground in the "off season", why is the Iowa program so different??? Give me a break, Iowa just sweeping things under the rug again.
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I wouldn't start rumours without any actual knowledge. I do know that the new thing in sports is to take the velvet from deer antlers, dry it and grind it up and put it in pills. It is supposed to be just about as good as roids and way better than creatine. It is supposedly also undetectable to every test except a blood test. I don't have any idea what side effects if any there would be. Who knows if any college players are using the stuff but I would say it is likely that at least some are.
 

MaxyJR1 said:
According to ESPN, illegal drugs ruled out.
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This is just another PR move. We all know they weren't taking Meth or Cocaine (the illegal drugs they were tested for), but there sure as hell were on something (steroids). I'll be curious to see if they test them for more than just the street drugs.

At least now the general public will look at this report and say "oh, wow it must have really been from the workout" and give Iowa a greater chance to sweep this under the rug.
 

CentralGopher said:
I wouldn't start rumours without any actual knowledge. I do know that the new thing in sports is to take the velvet from deer antlers, dry it and grind it up and put it in pills. It is supposed to be just about as good as roids and way better than creatine. It is supposedly also undetectable to every test except a blood test. I don't have any idea what side effects if any there would be. Who knows if any college players are using the stuff but I would say it is likely that at least some are.
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Naive. As someone who has played college sports and had some friends who played sports in the Big Ten, I can tell you for a fact that you would be surprised at how many athletes are on steroids. I can tell you right now that in the early 2000's over 50% of the players from a certain Big Ten baseball school were on steroids (buddy was on the team). He also said down south, when he played in summer leagues, guys would tell him it was more like 75% of the team.
 

sonnygarcia said:
This is just another PR move. We all know they weren't taking Meth or Cocaine (the illegal drugs they were tested for), but there sure as hell were on something (steroids). I'll be curious to see if they test them for more than just the street drugs.

At least now the general public will look at this report and say "oh, wow it must have really been from the workout" and give Iowa a greater chance to sweep this under the rug.
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Steroids are illegal. I took it as they rules out steroids. This doesn't mean something wasn't missed or they were just talking a supplement and not hydrated enough. It was interesting to hear the comments by a former Viking on FOX the other night. He works locally and he said he hasn't heard of workouts like that in football. They are usually what Bodybuilders do. I can't remember his name, but he wasn't that old.
 

sonnygarcia said:
Those guys were taking steroids. Every college FB player in America takes creatine and works themselves into the ground in the "off season", why is the Iowa program so different???
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sonnygarcia said:
As someone who has played college sports and had some friends who played sports in the Big Ten, I can tell you for a fact that you would be surprised at how many athletes are on steroids. I can tell you right now that in the early 2000's over 50% of the players from a certain Big Ten baseball school were on steroids (buddy was on the team). He also said down south, when he played in summer leagues, guys would tell him it was more like 75% of the team.
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So, which is it?

Quote 1 - Everyone is on creatine and does heavy offseason workloads, so this proves Iowa must be on steroids.

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Quote 2 - Almost everyone is on steroids. (so this in and of itself would not prove anything one way or another about Iowa being on steroids or not)
 

sonnygarcia said:
Naive. As someone who has played college sports and had some friends who played sports in the Big Ten, I can tell you for a fact that you would be surprised at how many athletes are on steroids. I can tell you right now that in the early 2000's over 50% of the players from a certain Big Ten baseball school were on steroids (buddy was on the team). He also said down south, when he played in summer leagues, guys would tell him it was more like 75% of the team.
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Interesting and probably not far from the truth. I had a friend whose brother was part of the B1G Football program during the early to mid 90's. He commented on how many of the players were on steroids.
 

tjgopher said:
So, which is it?

Quote 1 - Everyone is on creatine and does heavy offseason workloads, so this proves Iowa must be on steroids.

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Quote 2 - Almost everyone is on steroids. (so this in and of itself would not prove anything one way or another about Iowa being on steroids or not)
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Can it not be both? Please enlighted me how it would not be possible for a given athlete to take creatine and steriods? Not saying it is some normal off season supplement plan, but just trying to counter your internet tough guy questions.

By saying "everyone is on creatine and works themselves into the ground during the off-seasons" means that creatine is like protein, these guys just take it like a vitamin in the morning. Probably the most commonly used supplement in college athletics. ----> So my question was, why would Iowa be so different that 13 kids had to go to the hospital?

Did I say "almost everyone is on steriods". Please show me where I said this. Thanks. I think what I said was I was told steroids were pretty common in some programs by a friend who had witnessed it and tried it briefly himself. Thus, I'm saying it probably happens a lot more that people think. And for a program that it notorious for taking 180 lb freshman and turning them into 240 lb tackling machines I decided to draw a conclusion. Never stated it as fact, just something I think.

You have anymore questions/comments that you need thrown back in your face?
 

I would imagine coaches(especially S & C coaches) around the country are watching this very closely.
 


sonnygarcia said:
Can it not be both? Please enlighted me how it would not be possible for a given athlete to take creatine and steriods? Not saying it is some normal off season supplement plan, but just trying to counter your internet tough guy questions.

By saying "everyone is on creatine and works themselves into the ground during the off-seasons" means that creatine is like protein, these guys just take it like a vitamin in the morning. Probably the most commonly used supplement in college athletics. ----> So my question was, why would Iowa be so different that 13 kids had to go to the hospital?

Did I say "almost everyone is on steriods". Please show me where I said this. Thanks. I think what I said was I was told steroids were pretty common in some programs by a friend who had witnessed it and tried it briefly himself. Thus, I'm saying it probably happens a lot more that people think. And for a program that it notorious for taking 180 lb freshman and turning them into 240 lb tackling machines I decided to draw a conclusion. Never stated it as fact, just something I think.

You have anymore questions/comments that you need thrown back in your face?
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Iowa players may well be on steroids. They may be on creatine. They may be on both. I don't know and neither do you. But, to say this situation proves they are steroids is simply illogical. You try to base your conclusion on the idea that everyone is doing creatine and only Iowa sent players to the hospital, so this proves they must be juicing with steroids. Is that what you're saying??

Then follow that up with the idea that "a lot" of athletes are doing steroids. Well, if that is the case, then how does this specific situation show Iowa is doing them? If "many" athletes are doing steroids, but only Iowa sent the steroid-users to the hospital, wouldn't that indicate that this was caused by something other than steroids?? Otherwise, why wouldn't all of the steroids users go the hospital? So, tell me again, how this situation somehow leads you to believe Iowa is on steroids, particularly when you believe many athletes (as many as 75%) are on steroids?

Again, my guess is they got a tainted supplement or some other variable that ISN'T steroids or creatine or even just a workout (since all of those are widely used and not everyone is going to the hospital, as you stated yourself). A Mayo Clinic doctor and an NCAA Strength and Conditioning Coordinator agree with me, by the way.

As for me being some internet tough guy and having questions thrown back in my face, I hardly think I've done any of that. But, if it makes you feel better to say that, so be it.
 

Not to inappropriately inject levity, but if this many college athletes are on steroids, creatine, and other supplements, sales of acne medication must be going through the roof on college campuses.
 


tjgopher said:
I think you're falling into the trap that almost all the national media types have fallen into in thinking that it was the workout itself that sent these kids to the hospital. It wasn't like they were working them out, one kid went down, they sent him to the hospital, they kept working the others hard, a second went down and they sent him to the hospital, the workout continued until they finally had sent them all to the hospital one by one.

They all had completed the workout when their bodies started shutting down. The workout was over. They started feeling symptoms and several ended up in the hospital.

As I said earlier, I would guess this will be traced back to these guys taking some tainted supplements or creatine or something like that.

The workout these guys went through is definitely a tough one, but it isn't anything that they haven't done before. It isn't that different or more fierce than programs being used in all college football training rooms across the nation. The Iowa S&C coach is one of the best there is. He's is highly respected. To have 13 players end up in the hospital has to lead one to a conclusion that there is a variable at play here (probably supplements or something similar). It simply wasn't just a tough workout that put 13 guys in hospital beds at once.

That doesn't mean this isn't serious or that everyone is let off the hook, but this idea that the staff there was working them out so hard that they were picking them off one by one and sending them to the hospital is wrong.
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I agree with most of what you said. I would have a hard time believing it could be creatine unless they were taking a lot more than they were supposed to. Creatine has been a big thing for athletes for a long time and there's no reason they shouldn't know how much to take and how much they need to hydrate themselves when taking it. You never know, though I guess.
 

I think we should wait for the facts to come out and for these players to make a full recovery before we start accusing them of taking steroids. It doesn't seem right to bash kids who are in the hospital.
 

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