"Tubby Smith type player"

[MaroonGopher]

I keep hearing people talk about Tubby Smith needing "the right kind of player" to succeed in his "system." Can someone with more basketball knowledge explain what type of player this is and why he hasn't brought these type of guys to Minnesota. Thank you in advance.

 

[KyGopherfan]

don't feed the trolls....

 

[The-Real-Truth]

I keep hearing people talk about Tubby Smith needing "the right kind of player" to succeed in his "system." Can someone with more basketball knowledge explain what type of player this is and why he hasn't brought these type of guys to Minnesota. Thank you in advance.

Give it a rest please. If you are looking for his past players, I suggest get some tapes of his games with the teams in 90s. He had players like Prince who could shoot/defend and had really hi basketball IQ. He says that MO is the smartest player in the team. We haven't had a chance to see it yet because of his injury.

Tubby had a bad year. Stop beating the dead horse. How would you feel if someone would do this to you? Only time will tell what will happen with this program under Tubby. I have watched him coaching for many years. This year was the 1st year that I saw his team was not able to press. His teams had always been one of the best teams to create turnovers. Ask Florida fans. They'll tell you how Tubby teams play.

Go Gophers

 

[GoldenHerbs]

Seriously get over it, we understand you hate Tubby.

 

[MotherNight]

Ask Florida fans. They'll tell you how Tubby teams play.

I remember that game when Florida was #1 and couldn't get the ball past half court against Tubby's team. I think that's the game you're referring to here.

 

[MaroonGopher]

Give it a rest please. If you are looking for his past players, I suggest get some tapes of his games with the teams in 90s. He had players like Prince who could shoot/defend and had really hi basketball IQ. He says that MO is the smartest player in the team. We haven't had a chance to see it yet because of his injury.

Tubby had a bad year. Stop beating the dead horse. How would you feel if someone would do this to you? Only time will tell what will happen with this program under Tubby. I have watched him coaching for many years. This year was the 1st year that I saw his team was not able to press. His teams had always been one of the best teams to create turnovers. Ask Florida fans. They'll tell you how Tubby teams play.

Go Gophers

I would have ZERO trouble with people judging me if I made the millions Tubby has earned at the U so far. It's seriously sickening to see how far people will do to defend this guy. See you in 365 days when Minnesota is coming off another losing season in the Big Ten. Leave it to Minnesotans to defend a coach who is something like 8 games under .500 in the conference in four years. I will stick to watching Winona State. At least mike leaf recruits depth and wins on a consistent basis.

 

[MaroonGopher]

I remember that game when Florida was #1 and couldn't get the ball past half court against Tubby's team. I think that's the game you're referring to here.

How about I ask Northwestern, Michigan, Indiana and Penn State fans how great Tubby is too. Those teams have consistently defeated Tubby teams in the last couple seasons. Hmmm. I think people need to get over what Tubby did at KY and start focusing on his accomplishments at Minnesota

 

[dpodoll68]

See you in 365 days

Does this mean you'll stop posting for a year? Something tells me that's not the case.

EDIT: 365 days is now equivalent to 5 minutes. The average U.S. lifespan is now roughly equivalent to 6 hours.

I will stick to watching Winona State. At least mike leaf recruits depth and wins on a consistent basis.

Good. We don't need you.

(P.S. The Big Ten and Division II are just slightly different. Just slightly.)

 

[The-Real-Truth]

I remember that game when Florida was #1 and couldn't get the ball past half court against Tubby's team. I think that's the game you're referring to here.

Yes, what a game. If I remember correctly, UK was not even ranked then.

Go Gophers

 

[GopherinPhilly]

I keep hearing people talk about Tubby Smith needing "the right kind of player" to succeed in his "system." Can someone with more basketball knowledge explain what type of player this is and why he hasn't brought these type of guys to Minnesota. Thank you in advance.

Morongopher...you will be the next troll to get banned from this board and I, for one, cant wait. Good riddance to your dumb arse!

 

[GophersOnTheRise]

MaroonGopher, please stop posting on this message board. You don't like Tubby. You don't think he is a good coach. We get it. Why repeat yourself over and over and over again? Can you just try to be satisfied with the fact that you've made your point clear to everyone on this board that you are not happy with Tubby and the Gophers? There is no need to continue to beat a dead horse. Next time you are about to start a thread just remind yourself that we already know and we already understand your point. Do all of us a favor and just take a break and watch some other teams for a while. I think it would be good for you.

 

[Monty519]

I would have ZERO trouble with people judging me if I made the millions Tubby has earned at the U so far. It's seriously sickening to see how far people will do to defend this guy. See you in 365 days when Minnesota is coming off another losing season in the Big Ten. Leave it to Minnesotans to defend a coach who is something like 8 games under .500 in the conference in four years. I will stick to watching Winona State. At least mike leaf recruits depth and wins on a consistent basis.

Then why are you here? Why are you posting five thread topics about different aspects of Tubby's recruiting and coaching if you'll stick to Winona State. Any fool can see there have been dynamics well beyond Tubby's control that have adversely affected his ability to win so far. There have also been dynamics within his control that he didn't get the best out of. Nothing more, nothing less. Are you pining for him to be fired? What are you trying to accomplish right now, seriously?

I will "defend" keeping a coach around who has the resume Tubby has as well as the fact that he has pulled in recruits we haven't had in recent memory, and actually has won numerous basketball games that this program hasn't be able to win legally in decades. A bad month of basketball spearheaded by numerous adverse factors isn't gonna change nor define my opinion of the man's ability to coach a successful basketball team. It does remains to be seen, however, whether that will translate into success at Minnesota.

 

[Friend Of Tubby]

I keep hearing people talk about Tubby Smith needing "the right kind of player" to succeed in his "system." Can someone with more basketball knowledge explain what type of player this is and why he hasn't brought these type of guys to Minnesota. Thank you in advance.

Shea Seals, Gary Clark. (Tulsa)

Shandon Anderson. (Georgia)

Tayshaun Prince, Keith Bogans, Marquis Estill, Erik Daniels, Cliff Hawkins, Gerald Fitch, Chuck Hayes, Kelenna Azubuike, Randolph Morris, Rajon Rondo, Joe Crawford, Ramel Bradley, Joodie Meeks. (Kentucky)

At Minnesota, Trevor Mbakwe is one. Andre Hollins will be one. There have been (and will be) others.

 

[Friend Of Tubby]

Yes, what a game. If I remember correctly, UK was not even ranked then.

Go Gophers

http://www.bigbluehistory.net/bb/statistics/Games/20030204Florida.html UK was #6 then.

 

[MotherNight]

Yes, what a game. If I remember correctly, UK was not even ranked then.

It was a dominating performance. I remember watching a game UK played a few weeks prior when they weren't ranked very high and telling my family and friends they were very good. I got a lot of props after that.

 

[dboy]

Shea Seals, Gary Clark. (Tulsa)

Shandon Anderson. (Georgia)

Tayshaun Prince, Keith Bogans, Marquis Estill, Erik Daniels, Cliff Hawkins, Gerald Fitch, Chuck Hayes, Kelenna Azubuike, Randolph Morris, Rajon Rondo, Joe Crawford, Ramel Bradley, Joodie Meeks. (Kentucky)

At Minnesota, Trevor Mbakwe is one. Andre Hollins will be one. There have been (and will be) others.

FOT, i already deemed this list 'wide, but shallow' on another thread.. still waiting.

 

[dboy]

Then why are you here? Why are you posting five thread topics about different aspects of Tubby's recruiting and coaching if you'll stick to Winona State. Any fool can see there have been dynamics well beyond Tubby's control that have adversely affected his ability to win so far. There have also been dynamics within his control that he didn't get the best out of. Nothing more, nothing less. Are you pining for him to be fired? What are you trying to accomplish right now, seriously?

I will "defend" keeping a coach around who has the resume Tubby has as well as the fact that he has pulled in recruits we haven't had in recent memory, and actually has won numerous basketball games that this program hasn't be able to win legally in decades. A bad month of basketball spearheaded by numerous adverse factors isn't gonna change nor define my opinion of the man's ability to coach a successful basketball team. It does remains to be seen, however, whether that will translate into success at Minnesota.

monty, just don't open his threads.. he has a right to post whatever he wants.

 

[Shielder]

I will stick to watching Winona State. At least mike leaf recruits depth and wins on a consistent basis.

Why do you waste your time on Gopherhole? You need to work your magic on the Winona State board.

 

[nuggett]

That is correct about Florida, great game.
Then I think Florida beat UK 7 straight times while Tubby was the coach. I know Vandy beat them 4 straight.
What Tubby did at UK has NOT translated into ANY NCAA or NIT wins for Minn since Tubby took over.
For some reason some fans seem to think that because Tubby had some success at UK it is somehow going
to bleed over and mean success for Minn.

Here is my opinion as to why Tubby has trouble getting very many of the top kids of today.
Imagine that you are a great blue chip player and you have a genuine chance to make it in the NBA.
If you are really serious and really good enough to make it then you have a big decision about your college choice because it probably is going to impact you as you prepare fro the next level.
Remember that the NBA is more about offense than defense.
Do pick A, a team with a coach that plays a system that will allow you to develop as an offensive threat, score, slash, shoot,
and all the things that go along with making a great offensive player.

Or:

Do you pick B. Tubby. A coach that has a reputation for caring more about defense. A coach that seems to "rein in" a player
who wants the green light to work on offense and scoring.

I remember watching Tubby on ESPN once at a round table discussion and they were talking about great teams of the past 10 to 20 years. One of the guys said that you would certainly have to include the 1996 team that won the Title under Pitino.
When they ask Tubby about that team he actually smirked and said "if you call that basketball"
I also remember when he took over for Pitino at UK. He was asked buy local sports people if he planned to continue with the Pitino style since he was an assistant under Rick. He said that he needed to make it clear right away that he was his own coach with his own style. I have always thought that Tubby tried to distance himself from the Pitino run and gun style that he brought to UK. He has wanted to put his own stamp and brand on basketball.
Between technology making the world smaller, AU coaches, high school coaches, etc, these kids today know very well what type of system a college coach plays. There has been more than one high school recruit that has remarked that while Tubby may be a great coach they really want to play where they run a high offense and will be given some freedom to work on offense.

This is my opinion as to why Tubby may get turned down by the type of players that it takes to get to the top of the conferences and have post season success.

 

[Weisbrod]

Tubby Smith-type player is a winner. Al Nolen is a winner, thus, Al Nolen is a Tubby Smith-type player. Get a grip MaroonGopher. You're clueless.

 

[fryguy22]

monty, just don't open his threads.. he has a right to post whatever he wants.

and Monty has a right to tell him to quit posting because he's an idiot

 

[KyGopherfan]

I remember watching Tubby on ESPN once at a round table discussion and they were talking about great teams of the past 10 to 20 years. One of the guys said that you would certainly have to include the 1996 team that won the Title under Pitino.
When they ask Tubby about that team he actually smirked and said "if you call that basketball"
I also remember when he took over for Pitino at UK. He was asked buy local sports people if he planned to continue with the Pitino style since he was an assistant under Rick. He said that he needed to make it clear right away that he was his own coach with his own style. I have always thought that Tubby tried to distance himself from the Pitino run and gun style that he brought to UK. He has wanted to put his own stamp and brand on basketball.

You are a LIAR. None of that stuff is true. I live in Kentucky and that stuff is not true. I challenge you to post a vid or provide quotes of Tubby saying any of that. I've never heard of Tubby saying anything remotely to what you're claiming. I'm so sick of Kentucky fans coming over here to bash Tubby. It's one thing to bash him, but at least be truthful. The lying really has to end.

 

[Jimbob]

I keep hearing people talk about Tubby Smith needing "the right kind of player" to succeed in his "system." Can someone with more basketball knowledge explain what type of player this is and why he hasn't brought these type of guys to Minnesota. Thank you in advance.

Rick Pitino's recruits and they don't come to Minnesota because he coaches at Louisville.

 

[short ornery norwegian]

I have to admit that I'm a little confused about what kind of player Tubby really wants - and whether he can recuit that type of player to the U. Judging from his comments, he wants guys like Damien Johnson - who can run the floor, play excellent defense, and contribute some offense with points off turnovers and putbacks. But, when you look at this year's team, there's really nobody like that on the squad. Austin Hollins maybe - but that's a stretch. So, knowing Johnson was graduating, why didn't Tubby try harder to get that type of a recruit?

I also think that Tubby is definitely an "old school" coach - which is fine in my book - but players who want to be 'stars' and put up big offensive stats (Devoe) just don't seem to fit in Tubby's scheme - so why recuit them? In this AAU-driven culture, I'm afraid it's going to be harder and harder to find players who are willing to put the team ahead of the individual, and that's going to make recruiting a real challenge. Tubby may have to "settle" for more unheralded (read - not ESPN top 100 type) recruits who will accept his approach and be willing to play in a more regimented system. And that puts the onus squarely on Tubby and his staff to help develop those players.

 

[Friend Of Tubby]

That is correct about Florida, great game.
Then I think Florida beat UK 7 straight times while Tubby was the coach. I know Vandy beat them 4 straight.
What Tubby did at UK has NOT translated into ANY NCAA or NIT wins for Minn since Tubby took over.
For some reason some fans seem to think that because Tubby had some success at UK it is somehow going
to bleed over and mean success for Minn.

Here is my opinion as to why Tubby has trouble getting very many of the top kids of today.
Imagine that you are a great blue chip player and you have a genuine chance to make it in the NBA.
If you are really serious and really good enough to make it then you have a big decision about your college choice because it probably is going to impact you as you prepare fro the next level.
Remember that the NBA is more about offense than defense.
Do pick A, a team with a coach that plays a system that will allow you to develop as an offensive threat, score, slash, shoot,
and all the things that go along with making a great offensive player.

Or:

Do you pick B. Tubby. A coach that has a reputation for caring more about defense. A coach that seems to "rein in" a player
who wants the green light to work on offense and scoring.

I remember watching Tubby on ESPN once at a round table discussion and they were talking about great teams of the past 10 to 20 years. One of the guys said that you would certainly have to include the 1996 team that won the Title under Pitino.
When they ask Tubby about that team he actually smirked and said "if you call that basketball"
I also remember when he took over for Pitino at UK. He was asked buy local sports people if he planned to continue with the Pitino style since he was an assistant under Rick. He said that he needed to make it clear right away that he was his own coach with his own style. I have always thought that Tubby tried to distance himself from the Pitino run and gun style that he brought to UK. He has wanted to put his own stamp and brand on basketball.
Between technology making the world smaller, AU coaches, high school coaches, etc, these kids today know very well what type of system a college coach plays. There has been more than one high school recruit that has remarked that while Tubby may be a great coach they really want to play where they run a high offense and will be given some freedom to work on offense.

This is my opinion as to why Tubby may get turned down by the type of players that it takes to get to the top of the conferences and have post season success.

Here he / she / it is again.

Tubby had a winning record against Florida and every other SEC team during his 10 years at UK. He won 75% of his SEC games and 80% of his SECT games at UK.

Tubby beat Florida 8 straight times while at UK and beat Vandy 9 straight times.

16 (that's 1-6) of Tubby's UK players made the NBA. Only 15 of Pitino's UK players made the NBA.

That's an absolute lie about Tubby's "quote" regarding the 1996 UK team. Unadulterated, pure LIE by someone who has an obvious agenda against Coach Smith.

You're absolutely, DEADBONE W-R-O-N-G.

 

[Friend Of Tubby]

You are a LIAR. None of that stuff is true. I live in Kentucky and that stuff is not true. I challenge you to post a vid or provide quotes of Tubby saying any of that. I've never heard of Tubby saying anything remotely to what you're claiming. I'm so sick of Kentucky fans coming over here to bash Tubby. It's one thing to bash him, but at least be truthful. The lying really has to end.

Bingo. The "nuggett" poster has an Anti-Tubby agenda. It's quite obvious to anyone what it is.

 

[Friend Of Tubby]

FOT, i already deemed this list 'wide, but shallow' on another thread.. still waiting.

Tubby put 21 of his players into the NBA from Tulsa, Georgia, and Kentucky.

Question was asked about Tubby's type of players. I listed some in reply.

I really don't care what you deem.

 

[underground629]

Why are people responding to this fool's threads? He's worse than Art. He's a complete idiot.

 

[Hates Monikers]

I have to admit that I'm a little confused about what kind of player Tubby really wants - and whether he can recuit that type of player to the U. Judging from his comments, he wants guys like Damien Johnson - who can run the floor, play excellent defense, and contribute some offense with points off turnovers and putbacks. But, when you look at this year's team, there's really nobody like that on the squad. Austin Hollins maybe - but that's a stretch. So, knowing Johnson was graduating, why didn't Tubby try harder to get that type of a recruit?

Paul Carter and Rodney Williams have the same type of skill set as Damien Johnson. I have felt all season like we really missed Carter. I haven't seen Oto, but he sounds like that type of player, too ... don't know. But they can't all be Damien Johnson clones. Tubby obviously likes the bigs, too, for example, and he has recruited plenty of those.

 

[TeamTubby]

Paul Carter and Rodney Williams have the same type of skill set as Damien Johnson. I have felt all season like we really missed Carter. I haven't seen Oto, but he sounds like that type of player, too ... don't know. But they can't all be Damien Johnson clones. Tubby obviously likes the bigs, too, for example, and he has recruited plenty of those.

Rodney Williams has a terrible basketball IQ.