Thoughts on Kenny Minchey

[Gophergrandpa]

Notre Dame QB Kenny Minchey committed to Nebraska a few days ago. A got "get" for the Huskers. But before anything became official, Kentucky must have upped its bid, because Minchey flipped to them.

IMHO, one of the best things that a team in Minnesota's position can do is have its its QB situation settled from year-to-year, so that it isn't dependent on finding a starting QB every year in the transfer portal. The bidding wars for QBs, and the price volatility of those "assets," has got to be an astounding headache, once you've decided you must be a buyer. With stability at the QB position, you can allocate your $$ among other assets with far more certainty.

Indiana appears to be a QB buyer every year now (though Mendoza's brother is on the roster, developing)--but Indiana can handle it. Wisconsin has now fallen into the QB-buyer-every-year situation (trap?)--but not sure it is built to handle it. I like PJ's path: find and develop your QB in house, even if it means a rough first year of play. This route gives you more freedom in the portal and allows you to build a consistent offensive identity (which in turn allows you to use the portal more efficiently).

 

[TwistingMyMelon]

Notre Dame QB Kenny Minchey committed to Nebraska a few days ago. A got "get" for the Huskers. But before anything became official, Kentucky must have upped its bid, because Minchey flipped to them.

IMHO, one of the best things that a team in Minnesota's position can do is have its its QB situation settled from year-to-year, so that it isn't dependent on finding a starting QB every year in the transfer portal. The bidding wars for QBs, and the price volatility of those "assets," has got to be an astounding headache, once you've decided you must be a buyer. With stability at the QB position, you can allocate your $$ among other assets with far more certainty.

Indiana appears to be a QB buyer every year now (though Mendoza's brother is on the roster, developing)--but Indiana can handle it. Wisconsin has now fallen into the QB-buyer-every-year situation (trap?)--but not sure it is built to handle it. I like PJ's path: find and develop your QB in house, even if it means a rough first year of play. This route gives you more freedom in the portal and allows you to build a consistent offensive identity (which in turn allows you to use the portal more efficiently).

Agreed but it was only last season where we had a one-year rental. We may be safe from that situation for the time being but I don't think that's precluded from happening in the future.

 

[Some guy]

QB is really going to change in college football when all the people with extra years are gone


I think next year will be the last year to see Covid 6 year guys out there

QBs at some point will be 19-22 again

 

[DarrenTheGreek]

Agreed but it was only last season where we had a one-year rental. We may be safe from that situation for the time being but I don't think that's precluded from happening in the future.

Exactly, and the reason we had to go to portal for a one year rental was because our in house guy wasn't developing like we had hoped.

 

[upnorthkid]

QB is really going to change in college football when all the people with extra years are gone


I think next year will be the last year to see Covid 6 year guys out there

QBs at some point will be 19-22 again

we'll see. there's still all the juco legislation and i'm sure coming down the pipeline is going to be guys saying that there should not even be rules saying you can't just keep playing (again why a CBA is needed). There's been too much money injected now to avoid this inevitable legislation with pro hockey and BB players now playing NCAA

 

[Dave H]

QB is really going to change in college football when all the people with extra years are gone


I think next year will be the last year to see Covid 6 year guys out there

QBs at some point will be 19-22 again

I highly doubt that. If Basketball is pushing to sign players who played pro...eligibility rules are dying.

 

[Some guy]

we'll see. there's still all the juco legislation and i'm sure coming down the pipeline is going to be guys saying that there should not even be rules saying you can't just keep playing (again why a CBA is needed). There's been too much money injected now to avoid this inevitable legislation with pro hockey and BB players now playing NCAA

People can’t just say a CBA is needed; there is no reason for players to enter a CBA that limits their rights

 

[Some guy]

I highly doubt that. If Basketball is pushing to sign players who played pro...eligibility rules are dying.

There is a chance it becomes more like ncaa hockey, yes

 

[Cmich Gopher]

Run a service academy offense and take all the saved money from QB and wide receiver to outfit a killer offensive line and defense. No more cyclical QB development struggles or bidding wars.

Would fit with Fleck's philosophy of team over individual and our offense couldn't be much worse than it's been lately any anyway.

 

[fmlizard]

People can’t just say a CBA is needed; there is no reason for players to enter a CBA that limits their rights

The only way players can or will enter a CBA that limits their rights is if they have a union that protects their rights.

 

[upnorthkid]

The only way players can or will enter a CBA that limits their rights is if they have a union that protects their rights.

this. it's in interests of both parties long-term. obviously the players have many things that would likely be beneficial long-term (long term health coverage, long-term education things, termination policies, suing for NIL damages such as what Georgia is doing to the now-Mizzou player, etc.) that they could enter into this. don't think (would hope not at least) anyone is thinking the schools are all just going to say here's the CBA and all the players will sign it without representation/unionization.

The only group really pumped about how its going right now are the lawyers and agents who are making a bunch of money on both sides.

 

[gopherdudepart2]

How does compliance if there are still academic standards at institutions even keep up with all of the transfer players in the portal? You do still have to be academically eligible I thought, have transferrable credits from your old institution to new, and still have a passing GPA I thought to be in College. Or does none of those eligibility rules apply in the NCAA anymore and everything is pay for play? Is all of the academic stuff a facade and just fake courses now like North Carolina Chapel Hill had.

 

[GopherTheJugular]

People can’t just say a CBA is needed; there is no reason for players to enter a CBA that limits their rights

Amazing how this has been said on here multiple times and yet people still think one will just "happen".

 

[TNGophfan]

People can’t just say a CBA is needed; there is no reason for players to enter a CBA that limits their rights

Well, I think the18 year olds that are losing spots have rights too and they could be part of a group that sues.
If athletes are allowed unlimited years to play, then blow it up and call it minor league sports sponsored by entities and not universities.

 

[GreasyGopher]

QB is really going to change in college football when all the people with extra years are gone


I think next year will be the last year to see Covid 6 year guys out there

QBs at some point will be 19-22 again

Now that these players are getting paid, do they have a claim that their ability to earn should not be hindered by arbitrary eligibility rules?

What other profession says you have to stop working here after x number of years even if you are still capable of performing the work?

 

[GopherTheJugular]

The only way players can or will enter a CBA that limits their rights is if they have a union that protects their rights.

??? Could you explain it differently? I don't know what you mean.

What "rights" are they looking to have protected that the Supreme Court hasn't already assured them of?

 

[GopherTheJugular]

The only group really pumped about how its going right now are the lawyers and agents who are making a bunch of money on both sides.

You don't think the players now getting at least $75K/year, if not over $500K/year aren't pumped about this?

You don't think fans of formerly bad football schools like Indiana and Vandy aren't pumped about this?

You don't think the Texas Tech fanbase isn't pumped about this?

 

[GopherTheJugular]

What other profession says you have to stop working here after x number of years even if you are still capable of performing the work?

Strip clubs? Brothels?

On a more serious note, air traffic controllers are forced to retire at like 50 or something like that because they don't want people older than that on the job.

Maybe they some how turn it into a job like a politician has, where you know when you'll be leaving before you even start (trying to avoid taking sides, but like if you were just elected, you know your term will expire and you might not get elected back).

 

[GopherTheJugular]

Well, I think the18 year olds that are losing spots have rights too and they could be part of a group that sues.

I'll defer to @Bob_Loblaw, but I don't think there's much of a case to say that as a recent high school grad you are having your rights violated by not being offered a spot on a football team.

Kinda like when the NBA started taking in players from over seas. Less spots available for college grads, but they couldn't sue over it.

 

[disco]

we'll see. there's still all the juco legislation and i'm sure coming down the pipeline is going to be guys saying that there should not even be rules saying you can't just keep playing (again why a CBA is needed). There's been too much money injected now to avoid this inevitable legislation with pro hockey and BB players now playing NCAA

So does that mean I can technically go play high school football again?

 

[fmlizard]

??? Could you explain it differently? I don't know what you mean.

What "rights" are they looking to have protected that the Supreme Court hasn't already assured them of?

You can't have a CBA (Collective Bargaining Agreement) without a collective entity to bargain with, such as a union.

Presumably that union would advocate for some kind of rights or benefits in exchange for limits or concessions in any contract negotiation.

Those might be things like continuing education, long term medical coverage, grievance procedures, and so forth that are not legally mandated

 

[disco]

What other profession says you have to stop working here after x number of years even if you are still capable of performing the work?

Pilots and CEOs of major corporations.

 

[Bob_Loblaw]

The test as to whether a rule that limits the amount of money someone can make (restraint on trade) is reasonableness. Courts have routinely rejected things like preserving traditional college athletics as "reasonable" reason to restrain trade (stop someone from making money).

Note - none of these rules really apply if they are part of a CBA, collectively bargained for. This is why a lot of people are pushing for CBA but I'm not sure how the players would really unionize or how that would really help those players.

 

[Bob_Loblaw]

So does that mean I can technically go play high school football again?

If HS football became similar to professional sports - probably (unless congress steps in).

As crazy as that sounds, we are seeing professional basketball players return to NCAA. The way things are right now, I don't know if the NCAA would win in a lawsuit if they tried to stop someone from playing college football who was a 35 year old graduate, academically ineligible and played 15 years of professional football.

 

[Some guy]

Well, I think the18 year olds that are losing spots have rights too and they could be part of a group that sues.
If athletes are allowed unlimited years to play, then blow it up and call it minor league sports sponsored by entities and not universities.

18 year old high school kids wouldn’t have any voting rights on a union

If anything a CBa settled by college athletes may put up barriers to entry to protect their own spots

 

[TNGophfan]

I'll defer to @Bob_Loblaw, but I don't think there's much of a case to say that as a recent high school grad you are having your rights violated by not being offered a spot on a football team.

Kinda like when the NBA started taking in players from over seas. Less spots available for college grads, but they couldn't sue over it.

Maybe I'm legally wrong, but that's saying the only people with "rights" are those currently enrolled at a D1 university.

 

[GopherPete]

QB is really going to change in college football when all the people with extra years are gone


I think next year will be the last year to see Covid 6 year guys out there

QBs at some point will be 19-22 again

Just in time for eligibility rules to be thrown out the window

 

[upnorthkid]

You don't think the players now getting at least $75K/year, if not over $500K/year aren't pumped about this?

You don't think fans of formerly bad football schools like Indiana and Vandy aren't pumped about this?

You don't think the Texas Tech fanbase isn't pumped about this?

i think most fans are not happy to be being asked to foot the bill to be successful. i think some players yes are happy about this. They are less happy when their payments don't come through, walk ons are removed from teams because they can't pay them, or they are forced out to transfer and end up with no home because the portal is oversaturated. I'm sure the random kid from Georgia isn't excited he's being sued for transferring to Mizzou and having to deal with that.

Players want to be compensated but also, I'm sure, would like to be protected. People paying into NIL like Campbell, would like to see their "investments" (gross word given NIL in its current format is so not close to this) have some guarantee that they will remain with the school (i.e. contracts would hold up under enforcement). We'll see what happens to the NIL clearinghouse and if someone gets the hammer brought down for a deal that isn't up to snuff.

At this point, yes people are happy to see their individual team do well when it works out (I'm sure Florida State boosters are super pumped they spent 12mil to go 5-7 or Auburn 18-20 to go 5-7). And given its an arms race, ADs know football is the only cash cow and pass that buck on to try remain competitive from a facility standpoint which ultimately costs fans that money as well (I'm sure JMU parents were pumped to be paying 3k a year for intercollegiate athletics fees and the average in VA is about 2k; in case you were curious, JMUs tuition is 28k a year). Are we making college unaffordable for some people because we're imposing fees to try pay football and basketball players?

So while yes its fun that it works out for some people and a bunch of athletes who are now making money, but unless you put some guardrails in it's not all sunshine for everyone. The "pumped" line is a bit tongue in cheek, but if you can't see the flaws. It goes a lot further than if Arch Manning can sign a deal with Warby Parker or Logan Cooley can get a Chipotle burrito a month

 

[upnorthkid]

So does that mean I can technically go play high school football again?

given there's not really any money to be made there, I guess you could try to file a lawsuit to do so if you otherwise meet the requirements and want to sue MNSHL for being ageist.

Going to assume Diego Pavia isn't suing the NCAA to have longer eligibility just so he can go play for Vandy out of the goodness of his heart

 

[Panthadad2]

Now that these players are getting paid, do they have a claim that their ability to earn should not be hindered by arbitrary eligibility rules?

What other profession says you have to stop working here after x number of years even if you are still capable of performing the work?

Well, the NFL does the opposite and won’t allow players to be less than theee years out of HS. The USMC has an enlistment age of 17-28. There are examples out there.