This is Fleck's 12th win over a Power 5 Team by a Margin of 22 or more

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I track the wins going back to the Gutekunst era, and I have a category for wins of 22 or more which I consider blow out games.

Fleck has now marked his 12 such win over Power 5 teams by such a substantial margin in less than 5 years.

From 1987-2016, Gutekunst, Mason, Brewster, Horton, Kill, Claeys combined for 17 over the previous 30 years.
 


Sweet, but somebody said PJ is also 1 and 7 versus Wisconsin and Iowa. To make it all significant, we need to win our last four regular season games by one point or more.
We could be favored in all four if we knock em down one at a time.
 


Face The Facts said:
I track the wins going back to the Gutekunst era, and I have a category for wins of 22 or more which I consider blow out games.

Fleck has now marked his 12 such win over Power 5 teams by such a substantial margin in less than 5 years.

From 1987-2016, Gutekunst, Mason, Brewster, Horton, Kill, Claeys combined for 17 over the previous 30 years.
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How many by 17 or more? I consider 3 score or more wins a blow out…well, a dominant victory.
 



From reading this thread, we have now hit the point where winning anything short of 9 games will be a disappointment.
 


Face The Facts said:
From reading this thread, we have now hit the point where winning anything short of 9 games will be a disappointment.
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That’s how we started the season with “my best team ever”.
Change your best.
 



I was thinking about stuff like this today. I have lived most of my life where the Gophers winning a Big Ten game is a big deal. The other team have injured players or not particularly good this year? Who cares? A B1G win is a B1G win and may get my favorite team to a 6-6 or 7-5 record and a bowl game! All those years of watching Mason’s Gophers go 4-0 against cream puff non conference schedules and then limping through the Conf sched at 2-6 or 3-5, 4-4 if lucky… to get a mediocre bowl game and a hollow feeling about it.

To be in that mode for so long and in just a couple seasons to get to the point where I expect wins on days like today and then get them in a blowout? Obviously a new normal for our favorite team.

another thing… wins on the road. Road games don’t feel like the impossible hurdle they used to be.
 

Schnauzer said:
I was thinking about stuff like this today. I have lived most of my life where the Gophers winning a Big Ten game is a big deal. The other team have injured players or not particularly good this year? Who cares? A B1G win is a B1G win and may get my favorite team to a 6-6 or 7-5 record and a bowl game! All those years of watching Mason’s Gophers go 4-0 against cream puff non conference schedules and then limping through the Conf sched at 2-6 or 3-5, 4-4 if lucky… to get a mediocre bowl game and a hollow feeling about it.

To be in that mode for so long and in just a couple seasons to get to the point where I expect wins on days like today and then get them in a blowout? Obviously a new normal for our favorite team.

another thing… wins on the road. Road games don’t feel like the impossible hurdle they used to be.
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How about all those years we had to win the last game of the year to go to the Music City Bowl for the 7th time in a row. Mase did bring us to someplace we hadn't been in my lifetime (a .500 team that went bowling a lot). But Fleck does win a lot of Big Ten games. It's been nice.
 

It's nice to be on the "blow out" the other team sometimes side of things instead of being on the "can we win by a narrow victory, or lose by a lot side" of things.
 

It's actually Fleck's 13th - he beat Illinois by 24 during his final year at Western Michigan :)
 



U2Gopher said:
I agree. I love PJ, but to get us to the next level he’s got to start beating Iowa and Wisconsin.
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I would say he has already taken us to a next level.
And to get to the level after that you are correct.


level 1 - a bad team (wacker era)
Level 2 - a bad team who can win some games (Brewster era)
Level 3 - an average team that could upset someone good or lose to someone bad but wins half the time (Mason era)
Level 4 - a team you expect to beat the bad teams and thinks can beat the good teams (Fleck right now)
Level 5 - perennial contender (not here yet)

Kill era was somewhere between 3 and 4 but was cut short.
Claeys era wasn’t an era. It was like 17 games.
 

Some guy said:
I would say he has already taken us to a next level.
And to get to the level after that you are correct.


level 1 - a bad team (wacker era)
Level 2 - a bad team who can win some games (Brewster era)
Level 3 - an average team that could upset someone good or lose to someone bad but wins half the time (Mason era)
Level 4 - a team you expect to beat the bad teams and thinks can beat the good teams (Fleck right now)
Level 5 - perennial contender (not here yet)

Kill era was somewhere between 3 and 4 but was cut short.
Claeys era wasn’t an era. It was like 17 games.
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Kill was the definition of level 3.
 



Some guy said:
I’m not sure I saw enough of him to say that. Was 3. May have gotten to 4 with more time.
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Well I can only base it on what happened. Maybe Brewster was level 5 with more time. We’ll never know.
 

UpAndUnder43 said:
Well I can only base it on what happened. Maybe Brewster was level 5 with more time. We’ll never know.
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I think people forget Brewster made bowls in 2/3 full seasons. He wasn’t good but you know who hasn’t made bowls in 2/3 seasons the past 5 years?

nebraska
Rutgers
Maryland

I’m sure there are others too
 


Some guy said:
I think people forget Brewster made bowls in 2/3 full seasons. He wasn’t good but you know who hasn’t made bowls in 2/3 seasons the past 5 years?

nebraska
Rutgers
Maryland

I’m sure there are others too
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I know. Brewster just left a program in shambles academically, spiritually, socially and athletically. That was his issue.

I just don’t think Kill could have got to where Fleck is. He got the program to a spot where PJ could come in and it wasn’t a complete shitshow (minus the Oline “depth”, but that could be on Claeys)
 

Some guy said:
I’m not sure I saw enough of him to say that. Was 3. May have gotten to 4 with more time.
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He took over a bad team in year 1, improved in year 2, and improved again in year 3. I started following the Gophers in the Brewster era, and an 8 win season felt like a really big achievement at the time. 2015 was kind of a setback, but I thought we had a really tough schedule that year, then back up to 9 wins in 2016, followed by Fleck vs Kill/Claeys debates of whether a 9 win season was actually a big deal or not.

I wasn’t paying attention in the Mason years, but 8, 8, and 9 wins in 3 of the last 4 years of Kill/Claeys kinda led me to think Kill would have exceeded Mason, but may have still been hamstrung by lackluster quarterback play and passing game in general. I guess I had the sense that Mason’s time was more of the hoping to make a bowl game most years, and Kill was a bit better than that.
 

Cayman said:
He took over a bad team in year 1, improved in year 2, and improved again in year 3. I started following the Gophers in the Brewster era, and an 8 win season felt like a really big achievement at the time. 2015 was kind of a setback, but I thought we had a really tough schedule that year, then back up to 9 wins in 2016, followed by Fleck vs Kill/Claeys debates of whether a 9 win season was actually a big deal or not.

I wasn’t paying attention in the Mason years, but 8, 8, and 9 wins in 3 of the last 4 years of Kill/Claeys kinda led me to think Kill would have exceeded Mason, but may have still been hamstrung by lackluster quarterback play and passing game in general. I guess I had the sense that Mason’s time was more of the hoping to make a bowl game most years, and Kill was a bit better than that.
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I personally think Mason did a marginally better job than Kill. Mason took over a worse situation than Kill took over. Mason would’ve gone to similar bowl games a couple of times if the politics was different. 1999 and 2003 would’ve gone to the same type bowl games as 2014 and 2016.
But again, I think the verdict was probably still out on what Kill’s ceiling was at MN
 

Some guy said:
I’m not sure I saw enough of him to say that. Was 3. May have gotten to 4 with more time.
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Don't think so. Jer could pick up pieces and build to respectability. That was ceiling.
 

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