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We lose almost every top player on the team and the schedule will be brutal in '10.

Predicting Brewster doesn't last past next season. His best win so far was against a 5-7 Illinois team last year. The talent drain after this year is glaring and I just can't see him lasting. Just my opinion. Seriously...other than Stoudermire, name an irreplaceable player on the team that's not a senior? (Silence) That's what I thought.

This was a brutal game. Score doesn't indicate how badly we were outplayed. At some point Brewster has to show he's a BT caliber coach. Beating nobodies in 3 years doesn't cut it.
 

Pewterschmidt said:
We lose almost every top player on the team and the schedule will be brutal in '10.

Predicting Brewster doesn't last past next season. His best win so far was against a 5-7 Illinois team last year. The talent drain after this year is glaring and I just can't see him lasting. Just my opinion. Seriously...other than Stoudermire, name an irreplaceable player on the team that's not a senior? (Silence) That's what I thought.

This was a brutal game. Score doesn't indicate how badly we were outplayed. At some point Brewster has to show he's a BT caliber coach. Beating nobodies in 3 years doesn't cut it.
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You might want to have a beer and think a few moments before posting more nonsense like this. The fact of the matter is, except for the Juco transfers and Decker, there are very few high-quality upperclassmen on this team.

Hope this helps.
 


These threads are going to keep popping up and I'm going to keep laughing until they stop. Thank god this years seniors will finally be gone they aren't any good!!! Brewster's talent that is in the waiting is much, much better. And you can bank on that.
 

You all think an offense without Decker and Tow-Arnett and a defense that looks like Jacobs, Wilhite, Edwards, Kirksey, Cooper, Tinsley, Reeves/Maresh, Carter, Collado, Royston, and Theret with no experienced depth will be better than a team with Decker, Tow-Arnett, Small, Brown, McKinley, Campbell, Simoni, Tripplett, BPT, and Sherels and all of the players listed in the first part of the sentence all the while facing arguablly one of the most difficult schedules in the country? Keep drinking the Kool-Aid

Experience matters. Next year's team will lack greatly in that category.
 


I'm one of those who think next year might be a more difficult schedule. Not necessarily because of attrition (though we will be losing a few very productive seniors), but more because we play the hardest teams at home (USC, PSU, OSU, etc.) and we might not be ready to compete with them. Of the teams that seem more like our "peers" (Purdue, Illinois, Michigan State & Wisconsin) are on the road rather than at home like this year - where we have a better chance to beat them.

The question is, can our offense improve dramatically (which it will need to do) with the players on our roster and the coaches calling plays? I don't know, but I am much more pessimistic today than I was yesterday.
 

Pewterschmidt said:
... the schedule will be brutal in '10.
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The schedule next yea is easier: Middle Tennesee state instead of Syracuse, Northern IL instead of Air Force, and Penn State and OSU at home.

Yeah, USC is going to be a monster game, but no worse than PSU/ASU/Cal/Iowa
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You have a 3rd year QB that's regressing and the 2 units that return the most are also lacking the most in talent: i.e. OL and RB.

Phil Steele, the most accurate predictor, will resemble my predictions much more closely than any of you Kool-Aid drinkers.

How about being objective for a bit. We have a team that hasn't overachieved in a game in over 3 years and is about to lose almost every player that one would consider BT-caliber
 

"I'm one of those who think next year might be a more difficult schedule. Not necessarily because of attrition (though we will be losing a few very productive seniors), but more because we play the hardest teams at home (USC, PSU, OSU, etc.) and we might not be ready to compete with them. Of the teams that seem more like our "peers" (Purdue, Illinois, Michigan State & Wisconsin) are on the road rather than at home like this year - where we have a better chance to beat them"

= Exactly
 



Pewterschmidt said:
You all think an offense without Decker and Tow-Arnett and a defense that looks like Jacobs, Wilhite, Edwards, Kirksey, Cooper, Tinsley, Reeves/Maresh, Carter, Collado, Royston, and Theret with no experienced depth will be better than a team with Decker, Tow-Arnett, Small, Brown, McKinley, Campbell, Simoni, Tripplett, BPT, and Sherels and all of the players listed in the first part of the sentence all the while facing arguablly one of the most difficult schedules in the country? Keep drinking the Kool-Aid

Experience matters. Next year's team will lack greatly in that category.
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Dude the faster mason's players are gone the better. Your acting like they have proven themselves as winners. They haven't. Not at all. New blood is necessary. We already have players that rotate in place of them anyways that more than make up for them.
 

Pewterschmidt said:
You all think an offense without Decker and Tow-Arnett and a defense that looks like Jacobs, Wilhite, Edwards, Kirksey, Cooper, Tinsley, Reeves/Maresh, Carter, Collado, Royston, and Theret with no experienced depth will be better than a team with Decker, Tow-Arnett, Small, Brown, McKinley, Campbell, Simoni, Tripplett, BPT, and Sherels and all of the players listed in the first part of the sentence all the while facing arguablly one of the most difficult schedules in the country? Keep drinking the Kool-Aid

Experience matters. Next year's team will lack greatly in that category.
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Experience matters and so does talent. You could say the same about every team every year ("oh how will they ever survive without so-and-so!?!") and yet, someone takes their place and if that talent is any good, then the new players do just fine. While wins will still be hard to come by next year, if we get any better QB play at all (we've had about zero from Weber so far this year), then we can easily be 4-3 after 7 games next year too.

Tubby Smith lost his three best players before last season, and yet the younger team did BETTER. By your theory, that would be impossible. Perhaps your theory is just plain ol' bad.
 

Pewterschmidt said:
We lose almost every top player on the team and the schedule will be brutal in '10.

Predicting Brewster doesn't last past next season. His best win so far was against a 5-7 Illinois team last year. The talent drain after this year is glaring and I just can't see him lasting. Just my opinion. Seriously...other than Stoudermire, name an irreplaceable player on the team that's not a senior? (Silence) That's what I thought.

This was a brutal game. Score doesn't indicate how badly we were outplayed. At some point Brewster has to show he's a BT caliber coach. Beating nobodies in 3 years doesn't cut it.
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most of the guys starting who got beat are seniors...
 

If the underclassman were better, they would be playing more.

This roster is over 60% Brewster players and the ones that I (and the experts) think are the best players are seniors. This is what an objective observer's opinion will be of the team next year. Not you kool-aid drinkers
 




Hope to God I eat crow BTW. I just don't see any promise in the future and I don't know who to blame other than Brewster. I'm really concerned that very few of his underclassman other than Stoudermire and maybe Cooper have looked like players
 

Pewterschmidt said:
If the underclassman were better, they would be playing more.

This roster is over 60% Brewster players and the ones that I (and the experts) think are the best players are seniors. This is what an objective observer's opinion will be of the team next year. Not you kool-aid drinkers
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and who would ALL of these "experts" be? just wondering
 

Pewterschmidt said:
If the underclassman were better, they would be playing more.

This roster is over 60% Brewster players and the ones that I (and the experts) think are the best players are seniors. This is what an objective observer's opinion will be of the team next year. Not you kool-aid drinkers
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Yeah I doesn't knows either how wes ever winned another game after Corey Sauter gradutated and after Luke Levinson gradumated and than after Tellis Redmon gragitated I says to myself "well now how will the Gofers won another game the rest of their histery?!" and sures enouff, after that season ended they doesnt wins another game for over 9 months!!! I wases write!
 


About the only guys I think we're really going to miss are Decker on offense (obviously) and Lawrence on defense. Campbell and Triplett are high-effort guys, but they fit the same mold as other high-effort relatively slow LBs from the Mason era like Mike Sherels and Kyle McKenzie (and others). That's not to say they aren't decent Big 10 players, but they aren't world beaters. We won't miss Simmons. We won't miss Marcus Sherels. Brown, Small, Moen, and McKinley are also decent players, but it's not like they are the re-incarnation of the Fearsome Foursome.
 

"The talent drain after this year is glaring....."

another fool on thos board that thinks this senior class is just loaded with talent. these are ok players nothing more.
 

Pewterschmidt said:
You have a 3rd year QB that's regressing and the 2 units that return the most are also lacking the most in talent: i.e. OL and RB.

Phil Steele, the most accurate predictor, will resemble my predictions much more closely than any of you Kool-Aid drinkers.

How about being objective for a bit. We have a team that hasn't overachieved in a game in over 3 years and is about to lose almost every player that one would consider BT-caliber
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Doesn't Phil Steele place a high value on line play? Don't you think that both lines will be better next year?
 

It's not the loss of talent that worries me it's the player development that scares me. Other than Decker who really improved from last year????
 

I think you undersell the Illinois win. At the time, winning in Champaign was a big deal and Brewster should get credit for that just likehe should get a lot of blame for losing 3 home games after starting 7-1 last year(and losing a big lead on the road as well).

The "talent drain" next year is overrated. I am concerned about losing Decker, Tow-Arnett, Small, Brown, Tripplet, and Campbell. I am concerned about losing Sherels/Simmons only because I don't know who will start opposite Carter.

Lawrence- good player, but I believe Cooper fits nicely in to this role. I am more concerned about losing Campbell/Tripplet because I don't see many "full sized" lb's on the roster.

We have to get significantly better at QB and on the OL. We have to find a Big Ten level running back. Personally, I feel like between Green, Carpenter, Stoudermire, Allen, and Brandon we should be able to line up 2-3 good WR's

We must find a DE who can rush the passer. We must find a S who is a playmaker. We have to find a CB who is not a major liability in either the pass or the run game.

Next year is the time to find out what we have in Tinsley, Reeves, Dandridge, Garin, Gregory-Mcgee, Watkins, and Lewis. We need Jacobs, Edwards, and Kirksey to be as solid on the DL
 

I feel like a cubs fan....."just wait til next year!":)

PS Gophers just scored short handed to tie it up!
 

here we go again.....first...... the defense played great this saturday ... they played 80 percent of the snaps because the offense could not move the ball and had mostly three and outs.. the best defense is to keep the opposing offense off the field.....also our failure to move the ball put the defense in the hole in regards to field position... pen state played with a short field most of the game...... on two red zone trips for pen state the defense held after playing on a short field and only gave up field goals.....on the controversial touch down even matt millan the pen state homer said it was not a catch and was shocked that they over turned the call on the field take that play away and pen state only scores 13 points on our defense that had its backs against the wall when in todays college game with the rules slated to give the offense the advantage when a defense holds the opponents to 13 points that should be enough to win the game...

second..... for any body to say that there wont be talent and experience back next year on defense is ill informed and is a casual fan who does not know football.. seniors are always missed but there wont be a drop off,, we have kids now who everyone agrees who are lunch pail guys who have over achieved and made them selves good players.... what you have coming up now and what is being recruited is lunch pail guys who have talent and will be great players...

finally in college football you judge a coach by what his first recruiting class does when they become seniors
i hear and read that this is Brewster's 3rd year yes this is true but his first recruiting class are sophomores when they are red shirt juniors and true seniors if they are not winning then you have a right to be concerned....a good to great college program has stability kids come to college to play for the guy that recruited him... if your school has a reputation of changing coaches if i am a kid I'm not going to come if i know there is a chance you wont be here to coach me and i might not fit into the next guys plans..... it takes a while for a good stew to simmer be patient and give it time you cant rush greatness
 

Pewterschmidt said:
How about being objective for a bit. We have a team that hasn't overachieved in a game in over 3 years and is about to lose almost every player that one would consider BT-caliber
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Sorry to go back to an earlier post, but I think this is the essence of almost every lamentation I've heard here about Brewster's coaching, and I think it's an important point.
During the Mason years, we had a team that was, on paper, outclassed by most of the Big Ten. However, due to a well-schemed offense, and talent concentrated in the right places, we were able to make up some of the difference and compete with deeper and more talented teams like Wisky, Iowa, etc. We have, in some ways rightly, come to expect our team to sometimes over-achieve, catch a better team napping on us, etc.

The move from Mason to Brewster brought a massive change in philosophy for this team. Mase had a solid staff with a good scheme on offense and got his teams to play above their heads. Brewster, on the other hand, is completely untested as a field general/game planner. He was brought in specifically to improve the talent on this team, in the hopes that he learned to coach while building up the talent to compete with our rivals on equal or better-than-equal footing. The belief being (and I for one am in full agreement) that we are better served in building a strong foundation of talent than in continuing to scrape by through pouring all the talent into the run game and hoping that can carry us to one or two 'magical' years. Unfortunately, since our chances of getting Nick Saban to Minnesota didn't look good, the AD decided we had to sacrifice some coaching to get the recruiting...that's the way it goes sometimes.

The upshot of all this is that, since we don't have the talent yet, and Brewster doesn't have the knowledge or the scheme that Mason did, we are no longer able to beat more talented teams. For a fan base that's used to doing just that on a fairly regular basis, it can be tough to swallow. However, if Brewster continues to bring in the level of player he has been getting, and can learn a thing or two and get his coordinators in sync with the team, the time will come when we no longer need to overachieve to beat our conference rivals. When that day comes, if the coaching staff can get their heads on straight and get their own good schemes/styles, the seasons we overachieve will be Rose Bowl years instead of 10-3 with a mid-tier bowl win. In my opinion, a shot at that is worth it. If Brewster and his staff can't figure out how to coach this talent to wins when the team is finally filled with his recruits, then I'm all for looking at replacements. Until then, things are going according to plan.
 

Turnover is a fact of life, especially in college football where players can be on the roster for only 5 years at most (or 6 in some extreme cases).

The fact is that Decker is the only irreplaceable player who will be graduating. Lawrence is a loss, but like others have said, I think Cooper may already be as good, and will still only be a sophomore next year. We will miss Sherels and Simmons - not for their play, but because they will have to be replaced opposite Carter by either Collado (shudder) or a true/RS freshman. We saw in '07 what a lack of experience can do to a secondary.

We will be better or equal at every position next year except WR and CB. That is not to diminish the contributions of the players leaving. The ones coming in behind them are more athletic at every position, and while we give up some experience and veteran savvy, the counterbalance of the two will come out in the wash. That's just the way it is.
 

Pewterschmidt said:
Experience matters. Next year's team will lack greatly in that category.
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You can't have it both ways. If this year's senior class was so talented and the experience mattered so much, wouldn't the Big 10's most experienced team (by far) be better NOW?

I have read through this thread and it is clear to me that you started with a point that said "The Gophers are losing their best players so they will be far worse next year", and there will be no amount of input that will change your mind. Understood. So, perhaps these comments are for others harboring the same question.

This is the nature of the college game and this is how it departs so much from the pro game. If you took veterans at this rate off the Viking's squad, yes, they would suck for the next season. But, we are dealing with kids that are aged 18-22 and this is the time in their football lives where their abilities change the most and some of them are literally still growing. Two star seniors often play in front of 3, 4, or even 5 star Freshman and Sophomores. That doesn't mean they are eternally destined to be better players. There has been an uptick in talent the last couple years and next year is the first year it should show on the field.

Now, if the recruiting had stayed the same... we could all expect a drop off as a senior laden team loses players and are replaced with a younger group that has the same potential. But, in this case most of us can agree that the potential, player for player, is going UP. That should been far less of a drop off, or even an improvement compared to what you are thinking.

And all of this just focuses on the players. What will be the result when for the FIRST time in Brewster's tenure there is some stability in the coaching staff as the team prepares for next season?
 

I am afraid to say I agree with pewter. Next year is going to be very tough for this team and the schedule is definitely more challenging. For those who disagree - I wonder what you are expecting record-wise for next year. 8-4? 7-5?

It is true though that you would have to expect us to get better on the OL although I thought we would improve this year but that didn't happen so maybe not.

Brew always says he wants to coach in the biggest games possible. Well, he has another chance this Saturday to show us something. Until he does I can't consider him anything other than a guy in way over his head who loves to talk like a bigtime football coach to make up for the fact he is not one.
 

Rotundo said:
I am afraid to say I agree with pewter. Next year is going to be very tough for this team and the schedule is definitely more challenging. For those who disagree - I wonder what you are expecting record-wise for next year. 8-4? 7-5?
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I don't disagree about next year...I'd guess a season very similar to this one, with a few athletes keeping us in games, but by-and-large getting thoroughly beaten by the better teams...though for Brewster's sake, and our own, I hope we can at least win one trophy game. Within one game of 7-5, in either direction.

In 2 years, though, I expect a dramatic change. I expect a trophy if not two, a win against at least one of these teams: USC, OSU, Penn State or what should be a very good Michigan team. I expect to be ranked at the end of the season, and I wouldn't be surprised if we have a shot at the Big Ten title (though I wouldn't count on it).
 

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