The offense next year

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Wouldn't you guys be dissappointed if our offense wasn't one of the best in the Big Ten next year? Our tight end is the only senior starting anymore. We still have three maybe four more games left to give these kids more playing time. Just look at the positions.

O-line - This position will be solid this next year. The coaches started playing all the Sophmores and Juniors halfway through the season. After Tow got injured we haven't seen any Seniors out there. I know people are excited about the guys coming up but those 8 guys next year counting Wynn will have a ton of experience and will be even bigger and stronger. O-line will be very good next year.

Quaterback - What can you say we have the deepest position in the Big Ten (Weber Gray, Alipate). Heading into next year Gray will have a lot of snaps under his belt.

Recievers - I know there were some dropped passes but let's get them out of these young talented recievers system now. Mcknight, Stoudlmire, Green, Hayo, and Allen this group of recievers will be the best in the Big Ten next year. They will be a very fast group of recievers.

Running backs - They coaches have finally realized that Bennet and Whaley are the best option. Next year I think these guys will start coming into there own. Plus some four star running backs pushing them for playing time will not hurt either.

Next year Ficsh has a real chance to prove he was the killer shot Brewster was talking about!
 

I think a HUGE plus that goes beyond the personnel aspect is the continuity with having the same coaching staff returning. I think a lot of the offensive struggles this year were due to the adoption of the new offense and offensive coordinator.
 

I agree about the aspect of having Ficsh here another year will help. I think next year the offense will be very good. I could be the best offense in the Big Ten next year.
 

Let's just hope we do have the same coaching staff.....things can change in a hurry
 

gold04 said:
I could be the best offense in the Big Ten next year.
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How fast is your 40?

Do you wear a glove when throwing?

Are you better at pass or run blocking?

Do you mind going over the middle?
 


In some ways Deckers and Tows injuries are a blessing in disguise because our offense only has one senior left out there. It's like playing preseason games for next year!
 

Fisch has a huge oppurtunity to make a name for himself next year. Let's hope he stays if the offense is one of the best in the Nation next year. Fisch really has no excuses not to have a very good offense next year unless we get a lot of injuries or if other offensive coaches leave.
 

gold04 said:
Our tight end is the only senior starting anymore.
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Our TE was the only starter we lost off last year's offense. How's that working out as a whole for our offense this year?

gold04 said:
Quaterback - What can you say we have the deepest position in the Big Ten (Weber Gray, Alipate). Heading into next year Gray will have a lot of snaps under his belt.
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OMG. You cannot be serious. Please tell me this is a joke.

Three things have to happen for our offense to be good next year: 1) Weber has to keep his head firmly removed from his rectum like he did for MSU; 2) One of the incoming recruits has to step up and be good at RB; 3) Our OL has to not suck. Getting Seantrel would help, but since that's not going to happen, we have to hope these guys figure it out and/or be replaced by the RS freshmen.
 

Relax dpodoll68,

I think these next three games will really be a good trial run for the offense next year. These next three or four games will give us a good indication where this offense is heading. I hope in the right direction. Time will only tell.
 



gold04 said:
Relax dpodoll68,

I think these next three games will really be a good trial run for the offense next year. These next three or four games will give us a good indication where this offense is heading. I hope in the right direction. Time will only tell.
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Please answer my questions. Or are you attempting to defeat thailleagle for the title of "master of obfuscation"?
 

I agree the offense should be better and more consistent. Lots of changes in the Dunbar-to-Fisch change.

Hopefully having Davis establishing a teaching pattern on the O-line and getting Wynn back and have the RS freshman join the party should give us some solid depth to go along with a more experienced set of starters.

I'm still not sold on our RB situation, but Bennett is a battler and Whaley has some serious quicks. I've always thought good running games are built by continuity between the backs and the line and more work in the new system should help that simply through familiarity. It would be nice to have a classic "banger" among the RBs and maybe one of the incoming frosh can provide that element.

Count me as optimistic.
 

Two major concerns: the OL and consistent QB play. Three games left and these questions remain. Unless we show marked improvement the last three games, these conerns will remain for 2010. The OL may be moving in the right direction and on a gradual upward curve but Webers graph has been extreme.
 

Lets not forget that just two games ago we were calling some of these recievers and TE's worthless because they couldn't catch a beach ball. Hell, I think I remember Lair having one bounce off his face. And he will probably be our TE next year.

Our O-Line has to get more aggressive with their run blocking and Weber needs to be at least average for his standards. He doesn't need to be great, he just needs to not suck. If those couple of things happen, we should be alright.

But lets not get too overboard with some of this optimism.
 



dpodoll68 said:
Please answer my questions. Or are you attempting to defeat thailleagle for the title of "master of obfuscation"?
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While I will attempt to be a little more kind than dpodoll68, I agree with him. Just because everyone will be back, why should we expect a bottom of the conference offense to suddenly be one of the best next year?

For starters, this offense needs an extremely improved o-line. Does the current personnel fit the bill? If they can cut down dramatically on the penalties, that would help. However, the o-line has been the root of our offensive issues. I'm not sure the same players can improve as much as they need to.

The running back position is average at best. It does appear Kevin Whaley is the best of the bunch. With a decent o-line, I think he could be one of the top rushers in the Big Ten. That being said, he doesn't appear to be the type of back that can excel without the aid of good blocking. Maybe I'm wrong. I just haven't seen it yet. If the o-line doesn't improve, it won't matter much who is back there.

The jury is out on the receiving core. They don't perform with any consistency. If I were to explain to an outsider how our WR's were this season (with the exception of Decker), I would show them the replay of Stoudamire's dropped pass in the MSU game. Not to pick on Troy, but this play pretty much sums up the group. They MUST figure out a way to eliminate or extremely reduce the significant amount of dropped passes we've seen this year.

The QB position is probably our best position offensively. As much heat as Weber has taken, the MSU game proved that if you give him time, he can be a very dangerous threat. He does still miss wide open receivers, but that is something that could be expected to improve. Gray gives us the alternate weapon that forces opposing defenses to scheme for it. However, neither Weber nor Gray (or really most QB's for that matter) will have the goods to get it done without solid protection up front.

This brings us back to the o-line. There will be no improvement next year unless the o-line does a complete 180. They have not been good this year. They don't give Weber enough time, they don't open holes for the running backs, and the amount of penalties they commit is staggering. Almost every negative aspect an o-line can have is possessed by this group. The QB's, RB's, and WR's will not get any better next year unless the o-line is monumentally better. If we have everyone back from this group, why do we think they will be any better than this year? I don't unless more talented replacements are inserted. I hope I'm wrong though.
 

dpodoll68 said:
Please answer my questions. Or are you attempting to defeat thailleagle for the title of "master of obfuscation"?
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dpo, in all seriousness, can you show any of us a roster that will have returning quarterbacks with better numbers than ours next year? I'll try. Lets look at the comparisons of where we'll be at the start of next year:

Illinois - Graduates Juice Williams, Eddie McGee has showed little to look forward to when he's played, and the remaining players are freshmen.

Indiana - Chappell comes back, but he's having a very average year and Indiana is, for all intents and purposes, a stinker.

Iowa - Returns Stanzi, who has shown as much ability passing the ball as Weber. Advantage = push.

Michigan - Returns Forcier and Robinson, who are pretty much played the same as Weber and Gray, but Gray is a more polished quarterback than Robinson (and maybe Forcier). Forcier could have a legitimate claim as being better than Weber based on performance.

Michigan State - Returns Cousins and backup Keith Nichol. Both have pretty good numbers and have a legitimate argument against our claim of superiority at quarterback. We beat them, however, and if one is to look at the "Rivals rankings" of the competition on defense, Weber shined a little brighter.

Northwestern - Kafka graduates, and the depth and playing experience behind him don't indicate that there will be a resurgence of the passing game at NU for a few years at least.

Ohio State - Until Pryor shines in the air against a good defense, he is a great athlete but a bad quarterback. To have his numbers behind those buffet busters is ridiculous. You can't teach talent, but you can certainly teach fundamentals, and he hasn't embraced that.

Penn State - Clark graduates, and the next guy up is going to be a sophomore.

Purdue - Elliot graduates, the next man up is a freshman.

Wisconsin - Tolzien returns. Like Stanzi, he has numbers comparable to Weber, maybe a little bit better, but they also have a pretty good run game. Push.


Based on what I've looked at, with 3-4 games to go for each team, I believe it's legitimate to think that we will be the best and deepest at qb. There is no returning qb at this point who has been jaw droppingly good in the Big Televen. Also, if we could have pass blocked the whole season like last week maybe Weber would be the best qb statistically by leaps and bounds.

BTW I used ESPN.com for qb statistics for each team to 11/4 this season.
 

I am really intrigued by our O-Line in a next few years. They potentially could have some serious size to them.

Currently Red or Grayshirting:
Brooks Michel 6-7 295
Ed Olson 6-7 288
Josh Campion 6-5 265

Recruits coming in:
Jimmy Gjere 6-7 275
Jonathan Ragoo 6-7 340

Small chance:
Seantrel Henderson 6-8 300

I have no idea what any of these guys will weigh in a couple of years after some strength and conditioning. But they do have some serious size. I have no idea who is groomed for what position; although I heard Campion will most likely play center.

Thoughts.
 

frozengopher said:
dpo, in all seriousness, can you show any of us a roster that will have returning quarterbacks with better numbers than ours next year? I'll try. Lets look at the comparisons of where we'll be at the start of next year:

Illinois - Graduates Juice Williams, Eddie McGee has showed little to look forward to when he's played, and the remaining players are freshmen.

Indiana - Chappell comes back, but he's having a very average year and Indiana is, for all intents and purposes, a stinker.

Iowa - Returns Stanzi, who has shown as much ability passing the ball as Weber. Advantage = push.

Michigan - Returns Forcier and Robinson, who are pretty much played the same as Weber and Gray, but Gray is a more polished quarterback than Robinson (and maybe Forcier). Forcier could have a legitimate claim as being better than Weber based on performance.

Michigan State - Returns Cousins and backup Keith Nichol. Both have pretty good numbers and have a legitimate argument against our claim of superiority at quarterback. We beat them, however, and if one is to look at the "Rivals rankings" of the competition on defense, Weber shined a little brighter.

Northwestern - Kafka graduates, and the depth and playing experience behind him don't indicate that there will be a resurgence of the passing game at NU for a few years at least.

Ohio State - Until Pryor shines in the air against a good defense, he is a great athlete but a bad quarterback. To have his numbers behind those buffet busters is ridiculous. You can't teach talent, but you can certainly teach fundamentals, and he hasn't embraced that.

Penn State - Clark graduates, and the next guy up is going to be a sophomore.

Purdue - Elliot graduates, the next man up is a freshman.

Wisconsin - Tolzien returns. Like Stanzi, he has numbers comparable to Weber, maybe a little bit better, but they also have a pretty good run game. Push.


Based on what I've looked at, with 3-4 games to go for each team, I believe it's legitimate to think that we will be the best and deepest at qb. There is no returning qb at this point who has been jaw droppingly good in the Big Televen. Also, if we could have pass blocked the whole season like last week maybe Weber would be the best qb statistically by leaps and bounds.

BTW I used ESPN.com for qb statistics for each team to 11/4 this season.
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Actually Purdue will have Robert Mavre likely starting next year (former starter for Miami). I am also curious how you can make any determination at this time that Gray is more polished than Robinson and Forcier, he may end up to be but how can you say for sure when he has played little and thrown the ball even less.
 

This is a ridiculous thread

Let's see if they can put together more than one good offensive showing. One game against a .500 MSU team doesn't make them the '98 Vikings, '07 Patriots, or '09 Saints.
 

RaT said:
I am really intrigued by our O-Line in a next few years. They potentially could have some serious size to them.

Currently Red or Grayshirting:
Brooks Michel 6-7 295
Ed Olson 6-7 288
Josh Campion 6-5 265

Recruits coming in:
Jimmy Gjere 6-7 275
Jonathan Ragoo 6-7 340

Small chance:
Seantrel Henderson 6-8 300

I have no idea what any of these guys will weigh in a couple of years after some strength and conditioning. But they do have some serious size. I have no idea who is groomed for what position; although I heard Campion will most likely play center.

Thoughts.
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Does anyone have any idea where Michel, Olson, ,or Campion are projected to play? I am curious.
 

RaT said:
I am really intrigued by our O-Line in a next few years. They potentially could have some serious size to them.

Currently Red or Grayshirting:
Brooks Michel 6-7 295
Ed Olson 6-7 288
Josh Campion 6-5 265

Recruits coming in:
Jimmy Gjere 6-7 275
Jonathan Ragoo 6-7 340

Small chance:
Seantrel Henderson 6-8 300

I have no idea what any of these guys will weigh in a couple of years after some strength and conditioning. But they do have some serious size. I have no idea who is groomed for what position; although I heard Campion will most likely play center.

Thoughts.
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...and Gjere can eventually play backup QB.:D From the St. Croix Valley Times:

"After facing the state's most sought-after recruit in Cretin-Derham Hall lineman Seantrel Henderson earlier this season, the Ponies will get an up-close look at Gophers recruit Jimmy Gjere, a 6-foot-8, 300-pound lineman who, like Henderson, will play in the U.S. Army All-American game on Jan. 9. Gjere did not play as much on defense against the Polars, but he did throw a long touchdown pass on a trick play as the Knights pulled away in the second half."
 

frozengopher said:
dpo, in all seriousness, can you show any of us a roster that will have returning quarterbacks with better numbers than ours next year? I'll try. Lets look at the comparisons of where we'll be at the start of next year:

Based on what I've looked at, with 3-4 games to go for each team, I believe it's legitimate to think that we will be the best and deepest at qb. There is no returning qb at this point who has been jaw droppingly good in the Big Televen. Also, if we could have pass blocked the whole season like last week maybe Weber would be the best qb statistically by leaps and bounds.
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Please note that he said "deepest position in the Big Ten". Calling it the deepest group of QBs in the conference is at least debatable, but calling it the deepest position overall is laughably ridiculous.
 

I misread the initial statement, I guess. I thought that the point of the post was comparing individual positions to the other Big Ten schools, and I didn't see it as calling our quarterback depth as the deepest of all positions on the field compared to other schools.
 

Art Vandelay said:
Let's see if they can put together more than one good offensive showing. One game against a .500 MSU team doesn't make them the '98 Vikings, '07 Patriots, or '09 Saints.
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I agree with Art. PSU and OSU games helped put things in perspective.

I think they will be looking at Campion in the C spot.
 

Fisch

It will basically be up to Fisch on how good the offense is next year. I don't see any reason why we can't be the best in the Big Ten. I'm thinking top 10 in the nation.
 

I think we can be the best in the galaxy. Maybe even the Universe.
 

overboard

Schnoodler,

How good of an offense does the team from Jupiter have?
 

They're big, real big. Impervious to acid and effects of gravity. Not real fast but pretty much impossible to stop. The trick is to strip the ball and force a turnover. By intragalactic rule they have to have their claws bound which makes their grip on the ball somewhat suspect. I think we can take them.
 

I heard

Schnoodler,

I heard the team from Haleys Comet is really fast!
 


50PoundHead said:
I agree the offense should be better and more consistent. Lots of changes in the Dunbar-to-Fisch change.

Hopefully having Davis establishing a teaching pattern on the O-line and getting Wynn back and have the RS freshman join the party should give us some solid depth to go along with a more experienced set of starters.

I'm still not sold on our RB situation, but Bennett is a battler and Whaley has some serious quicks. I've always thought good running games are built by continuity between the backs and the line and more work in the new system should help that simply through familiarity. It would be nice to have a classic "banger" among the RBs and maybe one of the incoming frosh can provide that element.

Count me as optimistic.
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Neither of the backs can run over people. That is what we will be missing. When Maroney and Barber played it was Barber that went up the middle over people. That extra yard or two after getting hit can be important.
 

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