The new Corona virus, should we worry?




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Which freedoms Wallace?

Freedom to have autonomy over my body.

So I say f you, you get your freedoms taken away. Because you don't believe in actual freedom. Get on board with real freedom and I will support you.
 

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Freedom to have autonomy over my body.

So I say f you, you get your freedoms taken away. Because you don't believe in actual freedom. Get on board with real freedom and I will support you.
You support no one Wallace. Your wife supports you.
 


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Shapiro and daily wire was the first company to file suit against the vax mandate so yesterday was a big day for them. Shapiro talks about how relieved were his employees.

Shapiro also talked about how the vax mandate was an attempt by biden to go around congress and then use a federal agency to exert biden's will.

Biden's claim was that this is an emergency, but what is the next emergency? Climate change, racism, poverty? Once that door is opened it is too easy for executive to use it and congress becomes not a factor.

Shapiro also talked about how close that door was to being opened. Hillary wins in 2016 and biden's vax mandate is upheld.

Trump had many wonderful policies, but putting conservative judges in place among his most important acts.
 
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Trump had many wonderful policies, but putting conservative judges in place among his most important acts.
This was almost entirely the only reason I voted for the Trumpster. For this single reason alone, the runaway freight train towards full-on Socialism was slowed dramatically, even if for just 3-4 years.

For that reason alone, 2016 was arguably the most important election to our country in generations. Thank God it went the way it did.
 

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This was almost entirely the only reason I voted for the Trumpster. For this single reason alone, the runaway freight train towards full-on Socialism was slowed dramatically, even if for just 3-4 years.

For that reason alone, 2016 was arguably the most important election to our country in generations. Thank God it went the way it did.

Conservative justices, desantis, manchin, synima, youngkin, sears have been the stars of biden's first year imo.

Can also make a case for the importance of shapiro and daily wire. DW reporter uncovered the girl being raped in a loudon county school bathroom and also DW was the first business to file suit against the vax mandate.
 
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No clear evidence. Nine days later scores of heavy equipment, 7000 workers and many thousands of tons of building materials, and specialized medical equipment miraculously showed up in Wuhan and ground was broken on a quarantine center “hospital“ in to be completed in just 10 days.


 
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This was the reason many voted for Oatmeal. They are too dumb to remember this was the reason, because they can't remember yesterday............but still

Listen to the answer SHITFORBRAINS gave to the question:

 


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Most estimates guesses I have seen show omicron peaking late January. We should have all these new policies, tests, etc. in place right as the threat starts lessening. 🤷‍♂️
 



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Most estimates guesses I have seen show omicron peaking late January. We should have all these new policies, tests, etc. in place right as the threat starts lessening. 🤷‍♂️
Literally following the science.
 




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No clear evidence. Nine days later scores of heavy equipment, 7000 workers and many thousands of tons of building materials, and specialized medical equipment miraculously showed up in Wuhan and ground was broken on a quarantine center “hospital“ in to be completed in just 10 days.

It's tough to know where the bad info comes from in China. There is a huge incentive for Chinese local officals to cover up problems and try to deal with them on their own. Because if they need Beijing to step in it's the end of their career and maybe their life.
 

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This was the reason many voted for Oatmeal. They are too dumb to remember this was the reason, because they can't remember yesterday............but still

Listen to the answer SHITFORBRAINS gave to the question:


That didn’t age well. People talking out of their backsides on things that cannot possibly be known with any certainty has been par and is a major peeve. Some people dwell on worst case scenarios or cannot calculate risk/benefit of eg school closure with a clear head; others push wonder drugs; or overpromise what vaccines might do. Some state with “scientific certainty” interventions “work” or reduce deaths by XYZ without any rigorous study -at all - to support them. Meanwhile simple interventions like ventilation, respirators for at-risk, healthier lifestyles in exercise, weight loss are barely talked about or actively ignored. Infected workers now ok to go into the hospitals filled with immune-compromised (wearing cloth masks), but unvaccinated immune prior infected summarily fired.

Biden and his advisors have been guessing and flailing there whole time and it shows and created a ton of mistrust, even amongst people that once thought highly of certain institutions.
 
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It's tough to know where the bad info comes from in China. There is a huge incentive for Chinese local officals to cover up problems and try to deal with them on their own. Because if they need Beijing to step in it's the end of their career and maybe their life.

Same for certain American officials.

But yes, the more autocratic and top down an organization or society becomes the more worried people get about rocking the boat losing their status. That creates a climate where things can be done very quickly, but maybe not done well. Fear of speaking out of turn, trusting seniors/management know what they’re doing etc. Things as varied as airliner crashes, Chernobyl, release of novel respiratory viruses from poorly run labs can be traced to this dynamic.
 


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from an article in the Strib: on primary vs secondary issues leading to hospitalization.....

Other states are tracking the severity of omicron by differentiating hospitalizations based on whether patients are primarily treated for COVID-19 or their infection is secondary to other issues. Iowa reports that COVID-19 is a secondary diagnosis for 36% of the 871 infected hospitalized patients. That is an increase from 25% on Dec. 1.

Separating out the role of COVID-19 in hospitalizations can be challenging, said Dr. Carolyn Ogland, chief medical officer for North Memorial Health, which operates hospitals in Robbinsdale and Maple Grove. She called COVID-19 the "great masquerader" because of its ability to cause illness on its own or worsen other health problems.

"People have underlying issues, so cardiac issues or COPD, that type of thing," she said. "Did COVID exacerbate them? That's the part we don't know. Were they at risk [for hospitalization] and did COVID push them over the edge? That answer is probably, yes, that it was COVID."
 

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I’ll actually agree with you on something. Not having this available sooner is a massive failure. It’s simply amazing but yet not surprising how incompetent our government has been through the whole thing.
At this point they should just let people buy them and get reimbursed if they want to help. The only good these tests will do 12 days later is if you keep them for the next wave.
 

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At this point they should just let people buy them and get reimbursed if they want to help. The only good these tests will do 12 days later is if you keep them for the next wave.

It might not be the best solution but giving rebates would be its own cluster f of processing.

Being prepared isn't a bad thing. That's why I ordered 12 rapid tests as soon as they became available and probably why my kids school has sent home 4 tests for each kid.

I will order the free tests when they become available.
 

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Yes it happens to some degree in any organization, but the consequences aren't as severe here and the culture is different.

And yet we prop up their regime in different ways, transfer our wealth to them to save pennies on the dollar, and relevant to this thread fund sloppy facilities and a reckless band of scientists.

Somehow Russia is framed as public boogeyman #1 when it is clearly China. How do we disentangle ourselves from a monster we’ve created? Good question.
 


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And yet we prop up their regime in different ways, transfer our wealth to them to save pennies on the dollar, and relevant to this thread fund sloppy facilities and a reckless band of scientists.

Somehow Russia is framed as public boogeyman #1 when it is clearly China. How do we disentangle ourselves from a monster we’ve created? Good question.

When I have the option, I buy goods not made in China. Needed socks last week, I used to always buy Gold Toe, saw they were all made in China so I bought a different brand. I do that as much as I can.
 

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Shhhh.... You're not supposed to say anything bad about China to the lefties. No bueno

Whatever I have consistently said we should be harder on China over Hong Kong and the Uighurs. That was one thing I hated about Trump, he didn't give a shit about that, he just wanted a trade deal with China.
 






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