- Nov 12, 2008
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Good point! Wouldn't it be cool if people felt free to request it and could get it from any doctor and then use it as directed? The problem with the stifling of these drugs that could be valuable is that people are taking matters into their own hands. Yet another reason the "expert medical community" has done so much damage here. Thanks for noting that....
I've seen enough of these news stories to conclude we should all be very concerned
Important article: Hint- much of science is about the grant money. If you are not on the right side of the religion- you don't get the money. Global warming. Now this.
In private, they said it was plausible. In public, they called it a conspiracy theory.www.spiked-online.com
Why did Scientists suppress the lab leak theory?
In August 2007 there was an outbreak of foot-and-mouth virus on a farm in Surrey. It was a few miles from the world’s leading reference laboratory for identifying outbreaks of foot and mouth. Nobody thought this was a coincidence and sure enough a leaking pipe at the laboratory was soon found to be the source: a drainage contractor had worked at the lab and then at the farm.
In December 2019 there was an outbreak in China of a novel bat-borne SARS-like coronavirus a few miles from the world’s leading laboratory for collecting, studying and manipulating novel bat-borne SARS-like coronaviruses. We were assured by leading scientists in China, the US and the UK that this really was a coincidence, even when the nine closest relatives of the new virus turned up in the freezer of the laboratory in question, at the Wuhan Institute of Virology.
Now we know what those leading scientists really thought. Emails exchanged between them after a conference call on 1 February 2020, and only now forced into the public domain by Republicans in the US Congress, show that they not only thought the virus might have leaked from a lab, but they also went much further in private. They thought the genome sequence of the new virus showed a strong likelihood of having been deliberately manipulated or accidentally mutated in the lab. Yet later they drafted an article for a scientific journal arguing that the suggestion not just of a manipulated virus, but even of an accidental spill, could be confidently dismissed and was a crackpot conspiracy theory.
Jeremy Farrar – who organised the call on 1 February with Patrick Vallance, Francis Collins, Anthony Fauci and a Who’s Who of virology – had already spilled a few of the beans in his book, Spike, published last year. He wrote that at the start of February 2020 he thought there was a 50 per cent chance the virus was engineered, while Kristian Andersen of the Scripps Research Institute was at 60-70 per cent and Eddie Holmes of Sydney University put it at 80 per cent. But some time after the call they all changed their mind. Why? They have never troubled us with an answer.
Now, however, we have an email from Farrar, sent on Sunday 2 February to Francis Collins, head of the National Institutes of Health, and Anthony Fauci, head of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases. It recounts the overnight thoughts of two other virologists Farrar had consulted, Robert Garry of Tulane University and Michael Farzan of the Scripps Research Institute, as well as Farrar’s own thoughts. Even after the call, their concern centred on a feature of the SARS-CoV-2 genome that had never been seen in any other SARS-like coronavirus before: the insertion (compared with the closest related virus in bats) of a 12-letter genetic sequence that creates a thing called a furin cleavage site, which makes the virus much more infectious.
Farzan, said Farrar, ‘has a hard time to explain that outside the lab’ and Garry ‘can’t think of a plausible natural scenario… can’t figure out how this gets accomplished in nature’. Farrar himself thought, on that Sunday, that ‘a likely explanation could be something as simple as passage [of] SARS-like CoVs in tissue culture on human cell lines (under BSL-2) for an extended period of time, accidentally creating a virus that would be primed for rapid transmission between humans via gain of furin site (from tissue culture) and adaption to human ACE2 receptor via repeated passage’. Translated: repeatedly growing a virus in human cells in a lab will alter its genome through natural selection so it adapts to human hosts.
These are the very suspicions raised in April 2020 in a careful essay by Russian-Canadian biotech entrepreneur Yuri Deigin, which was dismissed at the time by Garry and the others as nonsense. In a very different line from the one they expressed in private, they argued, in the influential paper that Andersen, Garry and Holmes co-authored with two other virologists, that furin-cleavage-site insertions could arise naturally and one would soon be found in a virus in a wild bat.
Two years later, no such natural furin-cleavage-site insertion has yet turned up in the many wild SARS-like viruses found since then. But what has turned up is a grant proposal put to the US’s Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) in 2018 to fund experiments that would deliberately insert novel furin cleavage sites into novel SARS-like coronaviruses to help them grow in the lab. And who was party to that proposal? Why, the Wuhan Institute of Virology. Indeed, it had already done a similar experiment with the spike protein of a MERS-like virus a few years before. It’s not quite a smoking gun, because the proposal was turned down, but it’s an open secret in science that you sometimes put things into grant proposals that you have already started doing, and the Chinese Academy of Sciences was funding most of the work in the Wuhan Institute of Virology anyway.
The emails unveiled this week reveal no good scientific reason at all for why these leading virologists changed their minds and became deniers rather than believers in even the remote possibility of a lab leak, all in just a few days in February 2020. No new data, no new arguments. But they do very clearly reveal a blatant political reason for the volte-face. Speculating about a lab leak, said Ron Fouchier, a Dutch researcher, might ‘do unnecessary harm to science in general and science in China in particular’. Francis Collins was pithier, worrying about ‘doing great potential harm to science and international harmony’. Contradicting Donald Trump, protecting science’s reputation at all costs and keeping in with those who dole out large grants are pretty strong incentives to change one’s mind.
In August 2020 Kristian Andersen and Robert Garry were among the lead investigators to receive $8.9million to study emerging infectious diseases, in a grant from Anthony Fauci’s National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, part of Francis Collins’s National Institutes of Health.
I've always agreed that we should be doing everything we can to keep kids in school. Closures/virtual learning should only happen in short timespans.Good. Now do failing kids in our schools.
@ShillGA1 has made it quite clear he doesn't know what the hell he's talking about the majority of the time he expresses some strong opinion. He's already got his view and just looks for sources that confirm it - or simply makes it up and repeats is 60 million times. It's simplistic and uninteresting. Faith is a hard thing to shake, even in the face of overwhelming evidence against.I've always agreed that we should be doing everything we can to keep kids in school. Closures/virtual learning should only happen in short timespans.
I'm pointing out that when you said all those things were happening at a higher rate, you were just guessing. Suicides are not up, so stop bringing it up.
PS - there is no such thing as a "mild" case of myocarditis. That is propaganda
It seems reinfection numbers are going way up too just like breakthrough. The cumulative has almost tripled in just the last month.(note - either my basic math skills have gone to hell in a handbasket, or today's numbers are a little wonky. I'm not perfect. I could have made a mistake. just saying the numbers are interesting.....
and - due to the Holiday on Monday, the next report will be on Tuesday)
MN Dept of health Update - Friday, January 14
6,414 confirmed cases + 3,223 reinfections(27.9%) + 1,923 probable cases = 11,560 new cases
12,930 PCR tests + 22,243 antigen tests = 35,173 total tests
32.9% overall positive test rate
32 deaths reported (23 private residence/9 long-term care)
10,971 total deaths (5,228 long-term care)
Hospitalization: ICU 260 (+7). Non-ICU 1,356 (+21). Total Hospitalized 1.616 (+28).
But but but but butThis guy was one of Trumps buddies....
Philippines eyes ‘unvaccinated list’ amid Duterte’s arrest threat
Order follows President Duterte’s threat to arrest those who have not been vaccinated amid a record-breaking number of infections.
Trump Phone Call to Duterte Left White House Staff ‘Genuinely Horrified’
The US President congratulated the Philippine President for an “unbelievable job on the drug problem,” a bloody drug war that has allegedly killed over 20,000 people.
The US President congratulated the Philippine President for an “unbelievable job on the drug problem,” a bloody drug war that has allegedly killed over 20,000 people.www.vice.com
Not in Minnesota which is what we were talking about.Reinfections have grown rapidly for some time.
Ah, not in Mn. good grief.Not in Minnesota which is what we were talking about.
(Below is me posting a graphic and link showing what I'm referencing to come to that conclusion. I know backing up claims with sources is not something you're used to.)
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