The new Corona virus, should we worry?



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MN Dept of Health Update - Thursday, Nov 18

3,360 confirmed cases & reinfections + 1,467 probable cases = 4,827 total cases

34,919 PCR tests + 18,318 antigen tests = 53,237 total tests

9.1% overall positive test rate

32 deaths reported (22 private residence/10 long-term care)
9,125 total deaths (4,860 long-term care)

Hospitalizations: ICU 333 (+13). Non-ICU 1048 (-14) Total hospitalized 1,381 (-1).
 

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First Known Covid Case Was Vendor at Wuhan Market, Scientist Claims


The report, published on Thursday in the prestigious journal Science, will revive, though certainly not settle, the debate over whether the pandemic started with a spillover from wildlife sold at the market, a leak from a Wuhan virology lab or some other way. The search for the origins of the greatest public health catastrophe in a century has fueled geopolitical battles, with few new facts emerging in recent months to resolve the question.

The scientist, Michael Worobey, a leading expert in tracing the evolution of viruses at the University of Arizona, came upon timeline discrepancies by combing through what had already been made public in medical journals, as well as video interviews in a Chinese news outlet with people believed to have the first two documented infections.

Dr. Worobey argues that the vendor’s ties to the Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market, as well as a new analysis of the earliest hospitalized patients’ connections to the market, strongly suggest that the pandemic began there.

“In this city of 11 million people, half of the early cases are linked to a place that’s the size of a soccer field,” Dr. Worobey said. “It becomes very difficult to explain that pattern if the outbreak didn’t start at the market.”

Several experts, including one of the pandemic investigators chosen by the W.H.O., said that Dr. Worobey’s detective work was sound and that the first known case of Covid was most likely a seafood vendor.

But some of them also said the evidence was still insufficient to decisively settle the larger question of how the pandemic began. They suggested that the virus probably infected a “patient zero” sometime before the vendor’s case and then reached critical mass to spread widely at the market. Studies of changes in the virus’s genome — including one done by Dr. Worobey himself — have suggested that the first infection happened in roughly mid-November 2019, weeks before the vendor got sick.
 




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Well it does have to be de-identified. That sounds like a lot of work.

What more than the already released detail, is critical to know?
What possible need is there for 55 years? If they said, give us 6 months, that's one thing.
 






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I don't gaf.

Whatever pisses off the anti-vax/misinformation cadre the most, is what gives me the most pleasure. :)
 





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In what world is this acceptable? Per the article attached took them 108 days to approve the vaccines and now they want 55 years to reveal the information they looked at while approving. Obviously there is something to hide here. The FDA needs to be the most transparent government agency of any of them and now we get this about vaccines which a large portion of the population doubt. This only adds to the fire.
I agree, I think everything the government does, I mean EVERYTHING should be 100% open and transparent immediately. Maybe 0.0001% of government actions should be concealed and even those I think none should be for more than 1 year.

I should be able to watch every single meeting a congressperson has with anyone. And read their emails also in close to real time.
 

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Please don't get your kids a Tetanus shot. It requires a booster, therefore it must not work.
 

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First Known Covid Case Was Vendor at Wuhan Market, Scientist Claims


The report, published on Thursday in the prestigious journal Science, will revive, though certainly not settle, the debate over whether the pandemic started with a spillover from wildlife sold at the market, a leak from a Wuhan virology lab or some other way. The search for the origins of the greatest public health catastrophe in a century has fueled geopolitical battles, with few new facts emerging in recent months to resolve the question.

The scientist, Michael Worobey, a leading expert in tracing the evolution of viruses at the University of Arizona, came upon timeline discrepancies by combing through what had already been made public in medical journals, as well as video interviews in a Chinese news outlet with people believed to have the first two documented infections.

Dr. Worobey argues that the vendor’s ties to the Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market, as well as a new analysis of the earliest hospitalized patients’ connections to the market, strongly suggest that the pandemic began there.

“In this city of 11 million people, half of the early cases are linked to a place that’s the size of a soccer field,” Dr. Worobey said. “It becomes very difficult to explain that pattern if the outbreak didn’t start at the market.”

Several experts, including one of the pandemic investigators chosen by the W.H.O., said that Dr. Worobey’s detective work was sound and that the first known case of Covid was most likely a seafood vendor.

But some of them also said the evidence was still insufficient to decisively settle the larger question of how the pandemic began. They suggested that the virus probably infected a “patient zero” sometime before the vendor’s case and then reached critical mass to spread widely at the market. Studies of changes in the virus’s genome — including one done by Dr. Worobey himself — have suggested that the first infection happened in roughly mid-November 2019, weeks before the vendor got sick.
Someone from the lab shopped at the market duh. Infected the vendor who has way way more contact with the public than a scientist working in a lab. Vendor spreads it in the market.

We have a building containing 100's of Coronaviruses being actively studied right where a Coronavirus pandemic begins, yea it must be the market. Are you f braindead?
 

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Someone from the lab shopped at the market duh. Infected the vendor who has way way more contact with the public than a scientist working in a lab. Vendor spreads it in the market.
Equally plausible:

Crossed over from animal to another vendor, that vendor gave it to the seafood vendor.


Zero conclusive proof for either of these, or any other plausible scenarios.
 

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Equally plausible:

Crossed over from animal to another vendor, that vendor gave it to the seafood vendor.


Zero conclusive proof for either of these, or any other plausible scenarios.
No it's not remotely close to equally plausible. Sure it's remotely possible, like 5% from the market to 95% it's from the lab.

Why do you push the market narrative?
Why?
 



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Only a POS seeks to hide the truth....
The truth has already been published: the vaccines were ~95% effective (against the original genome) in the trials.

There's no additional truth to be had.
 





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Anything is huge compared to effectively zero where they were.

Are you really that dumb?
I would be embarrassed posting that.
Freedom is something Wally. They no longer have it there or in Australia. Covid is here to stay. When they come out and get in public, they are going to get hit again. So what is the gain? Nothing.
 








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