The new Corona virus, should we worry?




KillerGopherFan

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So what influences the number of Covid cases? Mask wearing? Social distancing? Shutting down commerce? Mandates? Authoritarian governors?

From the graph below, I‘d say seasonality first and vaccinations second...with the unknown and human behavior also factors that are difficult to account for.

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It's long, long overdue for the mask bullshit to STOP. It's a charade, and a power play, and it does absolutely nothing. At the very least it does not come close to outweighing the downside of the mandates and the mask- wearing. Not remotely close.
 

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It's long, long overdue for the mask bullshit to STOP. It's a charade, and a power play, and it does absolutely nothing. At the very least it does not come close to outweighing the downside of the mandates and the mask- wearing. Not remotely close.
it negatively effects kids. Nobody seems to care about that
 





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The time for 'stopping' it was Feb/Mar 2020. Once the red hatters went all in on the narrative of imaginary infringements on personal liberties for single issue political gains, our next best chance was to slow its spread to help protect seniors and those with underlying health issues in our communities and to allow the health care system to keep up with those dealing with serious cases of the disease. The red hatters stepped up to plate once again to foil that plan and hundreds of thousands have died and millions of lives have been upended.

If WW2 would have occurred today, the red hatters would have stuck up their middle fingers to Roosevelt for victory gardens and rations, told everyone that every individual could make their own choice, and this country would have soon filled with Nazi red instead. How ironic! Team players those red hatters are not!
There are many countries who went all in on stopping it. The corona in those places is at an all time high.

Keep living in la-la land.
 

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It bears repeating...the best observation made last week on the GH was when SON asked the question: What ever happened to herd immunity? He wondered that since we now have almost 60% vaxxed and the virus still spreads just as last year.

The answer, IMO is that the vax doesn't do much at all to contribute to herd immunity since it is not a vax that prevents spread. It appears that only real naturally acquired immunity makes a meaningful contribution to herd immunity, the kind of immunity that eliminates transmission. Of course the CDC isn't interested in natural immunity....... so there is that.
 

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It bears repeating...the best observation made last week on the GH was when SON asked the question: What ever happened to herd immunity? He wondered that since we now have almost 60% vaxxed and the virus still spreads just as last year.

The answer, IMO is that the vax doesn't do much at all to contribute to herd immunity since it is not a vax that prevents spread. It appears that only real naturally acquired immunity makes a meaningful contribution to herd immunity, the kind of immunity that eliminates transmission. Of course the CDC isn't interested in natural immunity....... so there is that.
Vaccination is a way to protect yourself if you so choose. As it has a waning period of protection while reducing serious outcomes for a more lengthy time frame, there was never going to be a way to eradicate Covid b/c it is/was impossible to vaccinate everyone in the world in a timely manner.

In hindsight, variants and their effects weren’t discussed nearly enough.

Effectively, the vaccine should have been a way for individuals to protect themselves, if they so choose, and for flattening and shortening the peaks enough to live with and manage the impact of the virus on the daily functioning of the country.

Eradication was a pipe dream. Building immunity will likely come as the Covid virus and its variants spread and become less lethal.

I will very likely wait on a booster for some time to determine if it is necessary and to strengthen its effectiveness in providing extended immunity. Others can do what they want. That’s their business. But schools and politicians forcing it kids, that’s BS.

I wish the world would come down on China like a ton of bricks for causing this disaster, but they won’t. They’re afraid of China and too tied to their supplies of goods.
 

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If society says I need a booster, and knowing that there's zero risk to me in getting it, and it's free, then I'll get a booster and not think twice about it.

Really not much more to it than that.
 



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Vaccination is a way to protect yourself if you so choose. As it has a waning period of protection while reducing serious outcomes for a more lengthy time frame, there was never going to be a way to eradicate Covid b/c it is/was impossible to vaccinate everyone in the world in a timely manner.

In hindsight, variants and their effects weren’t discussed nearly enough.

Effectively, the vaccine should have been a way for individuals to protect themselves, if they so choose, and for flattening and shortening the peaks enough to live with and manage the impact of the virus on the daily functioning of the country.

Eradication was a pipe dream. Building immunity will likely come as the Covid virus and its variants spread and become less lethal.

I will very likely wait on a booster for some time to determine if it is necessary and to strengthen its effectiveness in providing extended immunity. Others can do what they want. That’s their business. But schools and politicians forcing it kids, that’s BS.

I wish the world would come down on China like a ton of bricks for causing this disaster, but they won’t. They’re afraid of China and too tied to their supplies of goods.
They helped China do it. There will be no ton of bricks.

As to the vax you are exactly right. It is and should be a personal protection choice. It doesn't stop it. It does reduce your personal risk depending on who you are. If you had Covid it does nothing except give you a new risk- reaction to the vax. If you are a kid- it is unneeded risk. No healthy person under 18 is at enough risk from Covid to take the vax let alone be forced to take it.
 

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They helped China do it.
China is where bats with corona viruses live.

Seems like any non-fucktard could understand that we might want to fund preventative measures, to avoid things like SARS and MERS. But, maybe not.
 

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MN Dept of health report - Monday, Nov 15

4,192 confirmed cases (and reinfections) + 1,074 probable cases = 5,266 new cases

38,108 PCR tests + 12,532 antigen tests = 50,550 total tests

overall positive test rate 10.4%.

No deaths reported - this has to do with a delay in reporting that was caused by the Veterans' Day holiday. (essentially, the Monday report is the # for last Friday. and no deaths were reported because last Thursday was a holiday....)

Hospitalization: ICU 311 (+15). Non-ICU 971 (+22). Total hospitalizations 1,282 (+37)
 

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Can't fix stupid.

A Twin Cities doctor spread misinformation about COVID-19. Then he died from it

That includes Foley, who died in October of complications from COVID-19. He was 71. At his funeral, Foley’s son Logan confirmed his father’s death from COVID and that he was unvaccinated.
 

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“Health officials say breakthrough rates are not an accurate measure of vaccine efficacy. But the rate of such cases has grown significantly this fall.”

Well if we want accurate data the only thing we can do is stop counting breakthrough cases. 🤷‍♂️
 
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“Health officials say breakthrough rates are not an accurate measure of vaccine efficacy. But the rate of such cases has grown significantly this fall.”

Well if we want accurate data the only thing we can do is stop counting breakthrough cases. 🤷‍♂️
Must be that Minnesotan’s like to vacation in Florida? IALTO
 

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“Health officials say breakthrough rates are not an accurate measure of vaccine efficacy. But the rate of such cases has grown significantly this fall.”

Well if we want accurate data the only thing we can do is stop counting breakthrough cases. 🤷‍♂️

It's all of those unvaccinated 5-11 year olds. Don't worry, Walz is getting after them.
 



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17,000 vaccine related deaths (from or with- reported to Vaers)

 

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“Health officials say breakthrough rates are not an accurate measure of vaccine efficacy. But the rate of such cases has grown significantly this fall.”

Well if we want accurate data the only thing we can do is stop counting breakthrough cases. 🤷‍♂️
It was always someone's fault in the past. I believe that was Trump. When Florida's rate jumped a while back it was Desantis, Desantis, Desantis.

Has there ever been a looney leftie that plays any role in this? If so, does anyone have a name?
 

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It's all of those unvaccinated 5-11 year olds. Don't worry, Walz is getting after them.
After 2 years of nothing Walz could really do finally something he can do.

Walz should have went after those 5-11 year olds a lot sooner.
 
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So at what point do we have to start saying that Biden is killing thousands and thousands of US citizens with his handling of the COVID pandemic, like we had no problem saying about the last guy?

Biden is killing Americans, thousands and thousands of Americans. We were told he had a plan and he was going to get this under control.
 

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Startrib reports today that minnesota has highest china virus infection rate in the country. (Florida last week was the lowest in the country.).

Riddle me this: Media loved ripping desantis during the time florida's infection rate was high, why is media not now ripping walz or other governors whose states now have high infection rates???
 

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So at what point do we have to start saying that Biden is killing thousands and thousands of US citizens with his handling of the COVID pandemic, like we had no problem saying about the last guy?

Biden is killing Americans, thousands and thousands of Americans. We were told he had a plan and he was going to get this under control.
He didn’t just say he was going to get it under control. Over a year ago, during the campaign, he said he was “going to shutdown the virus”.

As with most everything else he has promised, he has been failing.
 


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Startrib reports today that minnesota has highest china virus infection rate in the country. (Florida last week was the lowest in the country.).

Riddle me this: Media loved ripping desantis during the time florida's infection rate was high, why is media not now ripping walz or other governors whose states now have high infection rates???
We know why…but the media can’t speak to their narrative that Republicans are anti-vax, won’t wear masks, and generally are responsible for spreading the virus. And governors that don’t fully get on board with shutting down business, forcing people to take the vaccine, and forcing children to wear masks with teachers that are fully vaccinated are to blame for outbreaks.

It’s a phony narrative that they now can’t explain or rationalize…so silence.
 




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