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2nd and 10 at MINN 19 Mitch Leidner pass complete to KJ Maye for 5 yds to the Minn 24
3rd and 5 at MINN 24 Mitch Leidner pass complete to KJ Maye for 4 yds to the Minn 28
4th and 1 at MINN 28 Mitch Leidner run for 1 yd to the Minn 29 for a 1ST down
1st and 10 at MINN 29 Mitch Leidner run for 4 yds to the Minn 33
2nd and 6 at MINN 33 Mitch Leidner pass complete to Isaac Fruechte for 41 yds to the Illin 26 for a 1ST down

1st and 10 at ILL 26 Mitch Leidner pass incomplete to Isaac Fruechte
2nd and 10 at ILL 26 Mitch Leidner pass incomplete to Isaac Fruechte
3rd and 10 at ILL 26 Mitch Leidner pass incomplete to Maxx Williams
Mitch sacked


We had just hit a long pass. Illini back on their heels scared shartless we are gonna hit another one for a td. We have 90 seconds and two timeouts to go 26 yards.

What do we do?

Four straight deep passes. How about one of the short passes to Maye? How about our star RB? How about read option?

Nope, we go with four plays that we've been lucky to complete all year and only do as a result of defense keying on our run game.

Well in this case, they were playing the deep pass all four plays and we just forcing it with a QB and wrs who just aren't there yet.

Come on Limegrover!!!
 

Even if we hit one of those we would have left plenty of time on the clock for Illini to get a FG.
 

I have to agree with ya bro. I was surprised as all get-out to watch those, especially the first play. Where was the patience and confidence that we would get it done? Seemed sort of "panicky" and uncharacteristic to me. I would've given the ball to Cobb for sure on a run or pass. He is the single most competitive guy on our team, and he had just fumbled the game away. I have no doubt he would've single-handedly found his way to the end zone in some way, shape or form. Kinda shocked at how that last series went. But, as usual, had it worked out we'd all be calling Limegrover a genius. Whatever. Just bummed like the rest of us.
 

Unfortunately I'm more than bummed. Pretty mad. Our defense gave up 21 on the road, should enough to win.

Tired of watching our offense and was at the game watching in amazement as we went into full panic mode.

Not hindsight here.
 

Replacement Gopher said:
Unfortunately I'm more than bummed. Pretty mad. Our defense gave up 21 on the road, should enough to win.

Tired of watching our offense and was at the game watching in amazement as we went into full panic mode.

Not hindsight here.
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Well, I hope you feel better soon. And hopefully, Limey will do it differently next time and get 'er done. I have a strong feeling that "next time" will come in the next four games. We're going to take at least one or two of these next four down to the "wire" again.
 


There was also a play earlier, I don't remember which drive, it was third and four. They showed a replay of the whole field. All receivers were running twenty yard routes! What the heck?
 

cmon people. If the gophers throw four short passes there would be complaining about limegrover being too conservative and we're complaining about him getting aggressive?

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spackler said:
There was also a play earlier, I don't remember which drive, it was third and four. They showed a replay of the whole field. All receivers were running twenty yard routes! What the heck?
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Saw several of those. Think about 3-and-10 from the 26, right after the timeout (which also guaranteed that the Gophers were limited to a 1st down in the next two plays or the game was over). The primary route appears to be a 20-yard inner crossing pattern to Maxx. This coming from a QB who has significant problems hitting a 5- or 10-yard crossing pattern (in any direction). Way too deep toward the end zone for that pattern to work properly, at least when using a QB who always has trouble throwing that type of pass (and one should also ask why Maxx wasn't making a sharper cut).

Illinois' D was rushing hard the whole time. The Gophers tried what, 1 or 2 screen passes the whole game to keep them from coming straight upfield? I like the plays downfield to keep the D honest, but why not mix in the screen passing game as well - especially when they had Illinois on their toes with the deep passing game. This is a continued theme in failed Gopher offensive gameplans under Kill/Limegrover. I don't know if they just forget that it's an option, or what. That 3rd-down play was the perfect time to use one, especially with a clearly jittery QB at the helm.
 

bigtenchamps1899 said:
cmon people. If the gophers throw four short passes there would be complaining about limegrover being too conservative and we're complaining about him getting aggressive?

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Every play was deep. Every one. All of em.

We weren't at our own 26. We were at theirs.

There weren't 9 seconds left. There were 90.
 



Gopher fans aren't the only ones baffled at this.

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Replacement Gopher said:
2nd and 10 at MINN 19 Mitch Leidner pass complete to KJ Maye for 5 yds to the Minn 24
3rd and 5 at MINN 24 Mitch Leidner pass complete to KJ Maye for 4 yds to the Minn 28
4th and 1 at MINN 28 Mitch Leidner run for 1 yd to the Minn 29 for a 1ST down
1st and 10 at MINN 29 Mitch Leidner run for 4 yds to the Minn 33
2nd and 6 at MINN 33 Mitch Leidner pass complete to Isaac Fruechte for 41 yds to the Illin 26 for a 1ST down

1st and 10 at ILL 26 Mitch Leidner pass incomplete to Isaac Fruechte
2nd and 10 at ILL 26 Mitch Leidner pass incomplete to Isaac Fruechte
3rd and 10 at ILL 26 Mitch Leidner pass incomplete to Maxx Williams
Mitch sacked


We had just hit a long pass. Illini back on their heels scared shartless we are gonna hit another one for a td. We have 90 seconds and two timeouts to go 26 yards.

What do we do?

Four straight deep passes. How about one of the short passes to Maye? How about our star RB? How about read option?

Nope, we go with four plays that we've been lucky to complete all year and only do as a result of defense keying on our run game.

Well in this case, they were playing the deep pass all four plays and we just forcing it with a QB and wrs who just aren't there yet.

Come on Limegrover!!!
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Not running the ball once or twice is my biggest gripe.

But as for the last four passes, I'm assuming there were guys running shorter routes, Leidner just chose to throw it deep. On almost every pass play, there is at least one guy running a deeper route.
 

Replacement Gopher said:
2nd and 10 at MINN 19 Mitch Leidner pass complete to KJ Maye for 5 yds to the Minn 24
3rd and 5 at MINN 24 Mitch Leidner pass complete to KJ Maye for 4 yds to the Minn 28
4th and 1 at MINN 28 Mitch Leidner run for 1 yd to the Minn 29 for a 1ST down
1st and 10 at MINN 29 Mitch Leidner run for 4 yds to the Minn 33
2nd and 6 at MINN 33 Mitch Leidner pass complete to Isaac Fruechte for 41 yds to the Illin 26 for a 1ST down

1st and 10 at ILL 26 Mitch Leidner pass incomplete to Isaac Fruechte
2nd and 10 at ILL 26 Mitch Leidner pass incomplete to Isaac Fruechte
3rd and 10 at ILL 26 Mitch Leidner pass incomplete to Maxx Williams
Mitch sacked


We had just hit a long pass. Illini back on their heels scared shartless we are gonna hit another one for a td. We have 90 seconds and two timeouts to go 26 yards.

What do we do?

Four straight deep passes. How about one of the short passes to Maye? How about our star RB? How about read option?

Nope, we go with four plays that we've been lucky to complete all year and only do as a result of defense keying on our run game.

Well in this case, they were playing the deep pass all four plays and we just forcing it with a QB and wrs who just aren't there yet.

Come on Limegrover!!!
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They didn't go deep on 1st. Just re-watched it. The first down pass was thrown to Fruechte at the 23. When he went up for the ball #31 hit him hard and knocking it away. Fruechte and Williams were in the same vicinity on 2nd down incomplete and on 3rd Down they threw to a very covered Williams.

Don't know why they called what.
 

Iceland12 said:
They didn't go deep on 1st. Just re-watched it. The first down pass was thrown to Fruechte at the 23. When he went up for the ball #31 hit him hard and knocking it away. Fruechte and Williams were in the same vicinity on 2nd down incomplete and on 3rd Down they threw to a very covered Williams.

Don't know why they called what.
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You are correct on that. Mitch sailed the through to Fruechte who tried to go up and get it and took a good shot in the process. The 4th down sack killed me because the guy came untouched from Mitch's right where he should have been able to see/feel him as it wasn't his blind side.
 



Like I said in another thread, every time where the ball goes is not what the primary play call is for. Mitch decides who to throw to. If he wants the deep ball, he goes with the deep ball. Balls can be thrown earlier or later depending on where the route is. Just because the ball ended up going deep doesn't mean that it was the play was called to be thrown deep
 

Ditto. The last 4 plays were perplexing and the lack of screen passes, including to Cobb, equally perplexing. Also I would have loved to see the Gophers passing in the first quarter and showing Illinois what they didn't expect. Shake 'em up.
 

26 yards. 90 seconds. Two time outs.

Worst running defense in the conference

Run the freaking ball!!!!! At least once!!

Not like we have Favre at QB. Run the freaking ball!!!! At least once!!!

We don't want to score so soon as to allow them to kick a game winning FG. Run the freaking ball!!!! At least once!!!

They are afraid of getting beat deep. Run the freaking ball!!! At least once!!!


Over Limegrover. No way he gets into university of Chicago without football. He is to Chicago what AI is to Georgetown.
 

upnorthkid said:
Like I said in another thread, every time where the ball goes is not what the primary play call is for. Mitch decides who to throw to. If he wants the deep ball, he goes with the deep ball. Balls can be thrown earlier or later depending on where the route is. Just because the ball ended up going deep doesn't mean that it was the play was called to be thrown deep
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Then call a GD run!!!
 

Iceland12 said:
They didn't go deep on 1st. Just re-watched it. The first down pass was thrown to Fruechte at the 23. When he went up for the ball #31 hit him hard and knocking it away. Fruechte and Williams were in the same vicinity on 2nd down incomplete and on 3rd Down they threw to a very covered Williams.

Don't know why they called what.
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Maybe not deep down the field, but didn't he throw a long ways back towards the sidelines. It looked like that play was designed for a pick six.
 

Normally I don't second guess coaches regarding play calls because it's easy in hindsight, but the last 4 plays were odd. Given our tendency to run, even during the end of the half when we need to pass and we stay with the run, it was very surprising that they would go to the air 4 times in row with 1:30 left and 2 timeouts in that situation.
 

This isn't even second guessing. This is first guessing.

We're a running team. We can't freaking throw.

They were expecting/defending the pass.

4 times in a row? Really??

Fire Limegrover.
 

Replacement Gopher said:
Maybe not deep down the field, but didn't he throw a long ways back towards the sidelines. It looked like that play was designed for a pick six.
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Mitch was to the left of the hashmarks and Freuchte was on the "0" of the "20" on the field so wouldn't say it was a particularly long throw. Throw it lower and it's a catch, but only gets you 4 yards unless maybe, the ball gets to him quickly enough to avoid the defender who hit him.
 

Iceland12 said:
Mitch was to the left of the hashmarks and Freuchte was on the "0" of the "20" on the field so wouldn't say it was a particularly long throw. Throw it lower and it's a catch, but only gets you 4 yards unless maybe, the ball gets to him quickly enough to avoid the defender who hit him.
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The call freaking sucked. Same with the three, count em, three after that.

Give the ball to freaking Cobb against the worst run defense in the conference.
 

Replacement Gopher said:
The call freaking sucked. Same with the three, count em, three after that.

Give the ball to freaking Cobb against the worst run defense in the conference.
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Uh, okay. :confused:

Still doesn't change the 1st Down call.
 

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