THE GRINSTER AND THE TUBSTER- MADDENINGLY SIMILAR

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Grinnin' Glen didn't seem to understand his teams and neither does Tubby. Mason coached as though he had a defense. He would so often punt on 4th and short from midfield, turning his back on his strength (the running game) and expecting his defense to force a three and out and maintain field position (rarely happened). Tubby coaches as though he has a bench. I am so torn by Friday's UCLA game. If the team wakes up and plays with passion, it could be a very expensive win, saddling us with more bad recruiting, unimaginative offense and generally listless play. And yet, living in San Diego, beating UCLA again in the Tournament would be delicious. We'll see!
 



Nomellini said:
Grinnin' Glen didn't seem to understand his teams and neither does Tubby. Mason coached as though he had a defense. He would so often punt on 4th and short from midfield, turning his back on his strength (the running game) and expecting his defense to force a three and out and maintain field position (rarely happened). Tubby coaches as though he has a bench. I am so torn by Friday's UCLA game. If the team wakes up and plays with passion, it could be a very expensive win, saddling us with more bad recruiting, unimaginative offense and generally listless play. And yet, living in San Diego, beating UCLA again in the Tournament would be delicious. We'll see!
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Just because of your stupid thread I hope he stays forever!
 

Nomellini said:
Grinnin' Glen didn't seem to understand his teams and neither does Tubby. Mason coached as though he had a defense. He would so often punt on 4th and short from midfield, turning his back on his strength (the running game) and expecting his defense to force a three and out and maintain field position (rarely happened). Tubby coaches as though he has a bench. I am so torn by Friday's UCLA game. If the team wakes up and plays with passion, it could be a very expensive win, saddling us with more bad recruiting, unimaginative offense and generally listless play. And yet, living in San Diego, beating UCLA again in the Tournament would be delicious. We'll see!
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Good post, although Tubby's issue isn't playing his bench, it's allowing other teams to dictate pace, when he has a team that is most effective in transition and not the half court game.
 


Nomellini said:
If the team wakes up and plays with passion, it could be a very expensive win, saddling us with more bad recruiting, unimaginative offense and generally listless play.
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I really don't get the whole "bad recruiting" angle people take with Tubby. If Tubby has been such a lousy recruiter, then how can this, his most talented team (and briefly perceived to be top 10 in the nation), also be underachieving? People seem to want it both ways. On one hand, we're told that this team is the most talented in Tubby's tenure and in the top 4 of the Big Ten, and is underachieving (I subscribe to this notion). But then how could all these terrible recruits Tubby brought in possibly be underachieving if they were no good to start with.
Our present coaching staff has a lot of problems, but recruiting is not highest on my list. Not even close. I'd say coaching general basketball IQ, viable offense, and player retainment are all a much bigger concern that 'bad recruiting'.
 

Dear Mr. Parski- Thank you for your response. Of course, I would like to see the Gophers have a nice run, but I don't see how this will dramatically help the future of the program. Success may help Tubby get better players, but do his players generally improve/develop under his coaching/system? How many seem to enjoy playing for him? How many sign on and then defect? We're at a painful crossroads. It would be great to win a game or two this March AND be able to shed this guy, but I don't see that happening. One more miserable experience may give birth to a fresh start, with a new, energetic, passionate, creative, flexible coach who is still willing to learn. He's out there somewhere.
 

Gopher Bandanna Guy said:
I really don't get the whole "bad recruiting" angle people take with Tubby. If Tubby has been such a lousy recruiter, then how can this, his most talented team (and briefly perceived to be top 10 in the nation), also be underachieving? People seem to want it both ways. On one hand, we're told that this team is the most talented in Tubby's tenure and in the top 4 of the Big Ten, and is underachieving (I subscribe to this notion). But then how could all these terrible recruits Tubby brought in possibly be underachieving if they were no good to start with.
Our present coaching staff has a lot of problems, but recruiting is not highest on my list. Not even close. I'd say coaching general basketball IQ, viable offense, and player retainment are all a much bigger concern that 'bad recruiting'.
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I'm just guessing on this one, since I think recruiting is the least of Tubby's short-comings as well. And I may also be remembering this wrong, but I think a lot of folks call this Tubby's best team because he said so himself in the beginning of the season.
 

MRJ said:
I'm just guessing on this one, since I think recruiting is the least of Tubby's short-comings as well. And I may also be remembering this wrong, but I think a lot of folks call this Tubby's best team because he said so himself in the beginning of the season.
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Yeah, he did proclaim that himself as well. But I don't think it's really up for dispute either. I've heard other sources call this team in the top 3 or 4 of the Big Ten in terms of raw talent.
 




Glen Mason never won 20 games multiple times. :)
 







Nomellini said:
Dear Mr. Parski- Thank you for your response. Of course, I would like to see the Gophers have a nice run, but I don't see how this will dramatically help the future of the program. Success may help Tubby get better players, but do his players generally improve/develop under his coaching/system? How many seem to enjoy playing for him? How many sign on and then defect? We're at a painful crossroads. It would be great to win a game or two this March AND be able to shed this guy, but I don't see that happening. One more miserable experience may give birth to a fresh start, with a new, energetic, passionate, creative, flexible coach who is still willing to learn. He's out there somewhere.
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Win-win scenario: Deep run for us in the tournament, then someone takes Tubby off of our hands!
 

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