The Gophers would DOMINATE the SEC

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“ I don’t understand why there’s this presumption. It seems from many that the Big Ten, in particular, is so much better than the ACC or the Big 12; I’m not sure what that’s based on.

There’s a lot of talk about strength of schedule; well, you’re playing each other. So, if you just assume, ‘Well, our league’s better than everybody else, so therefore our strength…’ What if your league isn’t better than everybody else? Is your strength of schedule better than everybody else?”

Sean McDonough’s words still ring in my ear. I think what makes them particularly harsh is these words had Indiana at the center and he made them at the end of their loss to Notre Dame at the exact time nearly all announcers throw bouquets at the vanquished team to remind everyone what a great season they had. Not only did he kick Indiana to the curb, but he found a way to spit in their face along with the entire B1G as well.
 

None of the teams are that far ahead of the others. Gophers took Penn state to the wire,
Michigan beat Ohio State
Wisconsins had a 4th quarter lead on Oregon
Georgia lost to bama who lost to Michigan

Etc

Objectivity is what should get playoff bids. Not eye test. Eye test is fake.

Need a formula like ncaa hockey has. Need more auto bids and fewer at larges.

Go 16 with 9 auto bids for 9 conference champs. All seeded by a formula for the 7 at larges and the seeds.

High seed hosts first two rounds.
 



Some guy said:
None of the teams are that far ahead of the others. Gophers took Penn state to the wire,
Michigan beat Ohio State
Wisconsins had a 4th quarter lead on Oregon
Georgia lost to bama who lost to Michigan

Etc

Objectivity is what should get playoff bids. Not eye test. Eye test is fake.

Need a formula like ncaa hockey has. Need more auto bids and fewer at larges.

Go 16 with 9 auto bids for 9 conference champs. All seeded by a formula for the 7 at larges and the seeds.

High seed hosts first two rounds.
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I'm a huge college hockey fan and the Pairwise rankings aren't perfect but you rarely hear of many complaints. Helps a lot that everyone knows the criteria and no humans are part of the selections. The problem is you need more games and more cross-pollination with other conferences for a computer model like that to work well. The Pairwise in college hockey is not very reliable until 2/3 of the way through the season - 20+ games.

So I'm not sure what the solution is.
 
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Word said:
I'm a huge college hockey fan and the Pairwise rankings aren't perfect but you rarely hear of many complaints. Helps a lot that everyone knows the criteria and no humans are part of the selections. The problem is you need more games and more cross-pollination with other conferences for a computer model like that to work well. The Pairwise in college hockey is not very reliable until 2/3 of the way through the season - 20+ games.

So I'm not sure what the solution is.
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I agree it probably doesn’t work though the premise is interacting. The ratios are still pretty close in terms of conference series vs non which Just makes each data point weighted more heavily and you’d have to go back to 8 game conf schedules (4 non con with no FCS schools as your other games). Trouble becomes there’s a lot more teams so it’s going to get more and more volatile with only 12 games.
 

There are two ways to look at it, either the Big was way better than anyone gave it credit for, or the SEC sucks ass. We played really competitive football in a super tight conference, I think this program is built to be a winner/can go blow to blow with anyone if the chips fall the right way.
 

I think the Gophers would do about the same in the SEC as they did in the Big Ten this year. 4-4 or 5-3, since those clowns play 8 conference games.

Imagine the Gophers had barely lost to Georgia by 1 (Penn State), got robbed against Bama (Michigan), lost to Mizzou (Iowa), beat Texas A&M (USC) and South Carolina (Illinois), and won a few lower division games like Kentucky or Mississippi State and that's about equal

Which is way better than the casual fan would expect given that the SEC wins every hypothetical matchup.
 



Word said:
I'm a huge college hockey fan and the Pairwise rankings aren't perfect but you rarely hear of many complaints. Helps a lot that everyone knows the criteria and no humans are part of the selections. The problem is you need more games and more cross-pollination with other conferences for a computer model like that to work well. The Pairwise in college hockey is not very reliable until 2/3 of the way through the season - 20+ games.

So I'm not sure what the solution is.
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Not sure what the right metric is but it should be a metric that’s set at beginning of the year

Old BCS formula with coaches poll, committee top 25, and computer top 25 would be most logical to start in year 1
 

Word said:
I'm a huge college hockey fan and the Pairwise rankings aren't perfect but you rarely hear of many complaints. Helps a lot that everyone knows the criteria and no humans are part of the selections. The problem is you need more games and more cross-pollination with other conferences for a computer model like that to work well. The Pairwise in college hockey is not very reliable until 2/3 of the way through the season - 20+ games.

So I'm not sure what the solution is.
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Only eight conference games, four non-con with two P-4 required to get that cross-pollination and make it easier to compare conferences. Plus, the variety will be more fun.

Best 12 teams by ranking. Top three conference champs get byes and then highest rated gets remaining bye regardless of conference. All P-4 champs & at least one G5 get in. Call it a day.
 





Schnauzer said:
I have been getting a lot of belly laughs at the SEC’s expense on the internet and tik tok tonight.

My favorite quote so far:

“I understand South Carolina looks bigger stronger and faster than Illinois anytime they are not on the same field together”
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The way the SEC is getting savaged online has been awesome. So arrogant and then their teams go out and get beaten by teams they are supposed to beat.

Friggin Iowa dropped the ball but USC, Ohio State, Michigan and Illinois have all taken down SEC teams so far in bowl season.

Big Ten is doing well in bowl games. Outside of Indiana's lopsided CFP loss the other 3 losses for the conference were really close games. And as mentioned we currently sit at 4-1 head to head against the SEC.

Interesting to see how the conferences have fared so far. The ACC is taking a beating but the Big 12 is doing pretty well, especially when one of their 2 loses came from a game that was Big 12 vs. Big 12 (BYU vs. Colorado).

www.ncaa.com

Track which conferences are winning the 2024-25 college football bowl season

Follow along as conferences fight to finish their seasons on a high note throughout the 2024-25 college football bowl season.
www.ncaa.com www.ncaa.com
 

Some guy said:
Not sure what the right metric is but it should be a metric that’s set at beginning of the year

Old BCS formula with coaches poll, committee top 25, and computer top 25 would be most logical to start in year 1
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My problem with that system is it still includes human polls. I want (a) no human votes and (b) no margin of victory component. Only thing that should matter is whether you win or lose, not how dominant you look (either to humans or models).
 


Tik tok update: now there is one with the Alabama/Michigan score with a rolling growing number underneath it going up exponentially like a McDonald’s burger total served, representing Alabama excuses.
 

Some guy said:
RPI is your deal then
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Yes it is. I like the way PWR uses RPi. I've always thought one of the elegant things about sports was that when you took the field, all that mattered was whether you won the game or not. Not whether you passed Kirk Herbsteit's eye test or impressed some spreadsheet.
 

Met a Bama fan last evening and started out by referencing Bama's natties and dominance as an ice-breaker for conversation. When I mentioned Minnesota he immediately said Minnesota will never win a national championship. It was a direct hit to the bow of the rowboat but I declined to state who knows if Bama will ever get one again as powerhouses rise and often fall in football (aka Nebbie). Still, we carried on from there and agreed that money was killing the sport. Neither of us had answers to that one.

If I'd been quicker on my feet I would have noted that Minnesota's record with Bama is 1-0 in our favor. Maybe I'll get a chance to raise a glass to another Maroon and Gold victory when we see Bama again in 5 or 6 years.
 

I’ve got no reason to believe that this doesn’t belong in our trophy case this year.

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bleedsmaroonandgold said:
Yes it is. I like the way PWR uses RPi. I've always thought one of the elegant things about sports was that when you took the field, all that mattered was whether you won the game or not. Not whether you passed Kirk Herbsteit's eye test or impressed some spreadsheet.
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I agree and I favor RPI over efficiency metrics

But I prefer the most deserving teams over the best teams
 


mngg11 said:
There are two ways to look at it, either the Big was way better than anyone gave it credit for, or the SEC sucks ass. We played really competitive football in a super tight conference, I think this program is built to be a winner/can go blow to blow with anyone if the chips fall the right way.
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Yes!!! Particularly with what we have done in the portal this time...lost a couple players who could have been contributors (Daniels, Bangura--I 'get it; didn't see the field', but he could have been a contributor this year)...but added WAY more players who are likely to be contributors
 

IDK about that. I think they're fairly similar.

If I were ranking them together:
#1-Ohio St.
#2- Oregon
#3- Georgia
#4- Penn St.
#5- Texas
#6- Tennessee
#7- Illinois
#8- Alabama
#9- Indiana
#10-South Carolina
#11- Michigan
#12-Ole Miss
#13-Missouri
#14-Iowa
#15- Gophers

Pretty Even numbers but I thin k the best three in the Big Ten are better. Gophers are really the Penn St. game and not dropping games they should win vs NC & Rutgers away from being in the playoff debate.
 

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