The Gazette has Tubby as 7th highest paid coach in BT, likely 8th soon

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Assuming Illinois pays their new HC more than Tubby, it will have him as the 8th highest paid coach heading into next season in the BT:

Tom Izzo, Michigan State: $3.49 million
Thad Matta, Ohio State: $2.487 million
Tom Crean, Indiana: $2.32 million
Matt Painter, Purdue: $2.3 million
Bo Ryan, Wisconsin: $2.11 million
John Beilein, Michigan: $1.8 million
Tubby Smith, Minnesota: $1.75 million
Tim Miles, Nebraska: $1.4 million
Fran McCaffery, Iowa: $1.15 million
Bill Carmody, Northwestern: $1.1 million (contract unavailable)
Patrick Chambers, Penn State: Unavailable (According to the USA Today, Chambers’ predecessor, Ed DeChellis, made $709,372 in 2011)
NOTE: Former Illinois Coach Bruce Weber earned $1.5 million last year. Illinois reportedly offered both Virginia Commonwealth Coach Shaka Smart and Butler Coach Brad Stevens in excess of $2 million per season

http://thegazette.com/2012/03/26/io...big-tens-lowest-paid-mens-basketball-coaches/

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He's right where he should be, any extension should be a zero to very modest bump.
 




Gopher Warrior said:
Those are incorrect numbers.
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We're all still waiting for the PDF of the contract. Between you and Doogie, someone who has pored over the minute details of the contract should be able to post it online quite easily.
 



dpodoll68 said:
We're all still waiting for the PDF of the contract. Between you and Doogie, someone who has pored over the minute details of the contract should be able to post it online quite easily.
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I can meet you in person to walk through the document. Wednesday is bad for me, but I am otherwise fairly flexible this week. PM w/thoughts and start prepping your "GW was right, I was wrong" post.

Unreg - I like it! But, no... I am 100% on this. Zero doubt and ready to bet against those who wish to.
 



I have a personal policy against meeting up with people I know from the internet.

If you have the document, why can't you post it? You don't have access to a scanner or some other means by which to digitize the document? This should not be this hard.
 

My assumption is that these numbers are not incorrect but represent the BASE salary of each of the coaches. Or they just didn't include that 250k to his retirement?
 

zambam said:
My assumption is that these numbers are not incorrect but represent the BASE salary of each of the coaches. Or they just didn't include that 250k to his retirement?
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And it's unclear if they are discussing radio, camps...etc. I haven't paid attention to this particular pissing contest, so I don't have a dog in this fight. Nor do I really care.
 

zambam said:
My assumption is that these numbers are not incorrect but represent the BASE salary of each of the coaches. Or they just didn't include that 250k to his retirement?
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No - the base for Tubby is incorrect. In addition, it does not include the $250k retirement contribution.
 





Looks like a good correlation between coaches salaries and conference performance. So is there a cause and effect? If so, which is which?
 

mattw1067 said:
Everyone else's numbers may be similarly incorrect, so Tubby is still likely 7th on the list.
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Agreed. GW, I believe you that the numbers are incorrect. I just don't believe that they're way out of proportion.
 

Tubby's real number: a minimum of $2.17mm. (guaranteed only = base + supplemental + supplement retirement; does not include basketball camps, incentives / bonuses for NCAA tourney appearances, etc...)

24% difference from the OP. Fairly significant.
 

Gopher Warrior said:
Tubby's real number: a minimum of $2.17mm. (guaranteed only = base + supplemental + supplement retirement; does not include basketball camps, incentives / bonuses for NCAA tourney appearances, etc...)

24% difference from the OP. Fairly significant.
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It's only significant if it counters the main point of the entire posting, that Tubby is the 7th highest paid coach in the Big 10. I have no idea where he ranks, but if everyone's numbers jump up a bit and Tubby is still 7th in the Big 10, it isn't significant at all.

The entire discussion is about Tubby's salary in relation ot other Big 10 coaches. When you bring up things like "basketball camps", it looks bizarre. Every coach can do basketball camps. Every coach has incentives. Etc.
 

Bob_Loblaw said:
It's only significant if it counters the main point of the entire posting, that Tubby is the 7th highest paid coach in the Big 10. I have no idea where he ranks, but if everyone's numbers jump up a bit and Tubby is still 7th in the Big 10, it isn't significant at all.

The entire discussion is about Tubby's salary in relation ot other Big 10 coaches. When you bring up things like "basketball camps", it looks bizarre. Every coach can do basketball camps. Every coach has incentives. Etc.
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What's unique in Tubby's contract are the $250k supplemental retirement contributions which began on April 30, 2011 and will continue annually each April 30th. The other difference as compared to the $1.75mm in the OP is that the $600k base salary has a minimum increase required each year of 5%. My number accounts for the minimum 5% increases, but it could be higher.

Most other coaches don't have the $250k.

Some have a similar base pay increase required each year, some don't.

Similarly, some have payments for basketball camps covered in their core "supplemental pay", others (like Tubby) have it in a different section (he receives $50k if he runs a camp).

At the end of the day, he's higher than #7.

Personally I don't have a problem with his pay. The numbers mean little - it's within reason as compared to 'market rates'. Concern should be on performance of the program, period.
 

Gopher Warrior said:
What's unique in Tubby's contract are the $250k supplemental retirement contributions which began on April 30, 2011 and will continue annually each April 30th. The other difference as compared to the $1.75mm in the OP is that the $600k base salary has a minimum increase required each year of 5%. My number accounts for the minimum 5% increases, but it could be higher.

Most other coaches don't have the $250k.

Some have a similar base pay increase required each year, some don't.

Similarly, some have payments for basketball camps covered in their core "supplemental pay", others (like Tubby) have it in a different section (he receives $50k if he runs a camp).

At the end of the day, he's higher than #7.

Personally I don't have a problem with his pay. The numbers mean little - it's within reason as compared to 'market rates'. Concern should be on performance of the program, period.
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I agree with the bolded and have no reason to doubt your information on the details of Tubby's contract. Gopher Warrior has previously posted information where Tubby's disclosed pay for a given year was in excess of $2 million. I do get the feeling that some Gopher posters would be ok with the performance of the basketball team if the coach was making less money, which just seems bizarre to me.
 

The numbers may not be accurate, I have no idea. However, if they are close, can that at least end the Tubby is paid top dollar compared to other coaches debate?
 



7th is about right based on performances and his longevity.
 

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