The contact rule on fouls.

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The game is turning into football on the hardwood. There were bodies laying all over the floor last night because of the contact rule on steals and blocked shots. If the initial contact on both scenarios is with the " ball " you can literally mug the guy afterwards. Team average fouls for the last year were 17.66 per game. The
lowest since stats on this started in 1947. This past year teams averaged 67.49
points, lowest since the 1951-52 season; decades before either the three-point
line or the shot clock were introduced to college basketball. The charge-block call
is a f--king joke. Officials are so intent on watching the box they're missing the actual play. Hand checking and arm blocking is now basketballs version of arm wrestling. Coaches are teaching kids to be more physical because they know officials can't get a handle on what should be called and what isn't. The NCAA Rules
Committee needs to look into this or else the game we all love is going to turn into
A version of the futuristic movie " Rollerball "
 

I love tough defense and physical play. You sound just like Jay Bilas. This isn't the NBA.
 

JMWZ said:
I love tough defense and physical play. You sound just like Jay Bilas. This isn't the NBA.
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It isn't, but the game is getting more and more dangerous. Defenders are going sky high, getting undercut and landing hard on the ground. I don't remember who it was from Louisville last night, but that could have been ugly. It happened to Keita from Syracuse early in the tournament. My concern is that at some point, that Kevin Ware injury is going to seem tame when somebody breaks their neck.

 

Basketball is becoming football lite. There's actually more contact in basketball than there is in the defensive backfield in football (before the ball is caught). I literally see blocking and tackling in the lane. Vince Lombardi would love it.

It reminds me of what we played one night in our apartment in college with our nerf hoop. Usually we'd just play HORSE, but that night we decided to see what it would be like if we allowed as much contact as anyone wanted to dish out. The outcome was a combination of rugby, professional wrestling and a little bit of basketball. It was actually kinda fun, but it sure didn't have any aesthetic value.

And that's my problem with the de-evolution of the college game. It's less enjoyable to watch when there's so much bumping and wrestling. And it's going to be inconsistently officiated what with all the unwritten rules of how much you can call and not call, so any team can get hosed at any instant by an official who decides to call something by the book one time.
 

Breakin' The Plane said:
It isn't, but the game is getting more and more dangerous. Defenders are going sky high, getting undercut and landing hard on the ground. I don't remember who it was from Louisville last night, but that could have been ugly. It happened to Keita from Syracuse early in the tournament. My concern is that at some point, that Kevin Ware injury is going to seem tame when somebody breaks their neck.

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I believe it was Behanan.
 


That was some of the most fun I've had watching a basketball game not involving my team in a while. Aggressive, physical, I had a blast.
 

Bad Gopher said:
Basketball is becoming football lite. There's actually more contact in basketball than there is in the defensive backfield in football (before the ball is caught). I literally see blocking and tackling in the lane. Vince Lombardi would love it.

It reminds me of what we played one night in our apartment in college with our nerf hoop. Usually we'd just play HORSE, but that night we decided to see what it would be like if we allowed as much contact as anyone wanted to dish out. The outcome was a combination of rugby, professional wrestling and a little bit of basketball. It was actually kinda fun, but it sure didn't have any aesthetic value.

And that's my problem with the de-evolution of the college game. It's less enjoyable to watch when there's so much bumping and wrestling. And it's going to be inconsistently officiated what with all the unwritten rules of how much you can call and not call, so any team can get hosed at any instant by an official who decides to call something by the book one time.
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By any chance was alcohol involved?
 


ruppertflywheel said:
The game is turning into football on the hardwood. There were bodies laying all over the floor last night because of the contact rule on steals and blocked shots. If the initial contact on both scenarios is with the " ball " you can literally mug the guy afterwards. Team average fouls for the last year were 17.66 per game. The
lowest since stats on this started in 1947. This past year teams averaged 67.49
points, lowest since the 1951-52 season; decades before either the three-point
line or the shot clock were introduced to college basketball. The charge-block call
is a f--king joke. Officials are so intent on watching the box they're missing the actual play. Hand checking and arm blocking is now basketballs version of arm wrestling. Coaches are teaching kids to be more physical because they know officials can't get a handle on what should be called and what isn't. The NCAA Rules
Committee needs to look into this or else the game we all love is going to turn into
A version of the futuristic movie " Rollerball "
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+1

College basketball is way too physical these days. The referees need to blow the whistle more often. The failure to enforce the rules and the continued devolution of the rules allows less talented teams to compete with more talented teams. It makes the game ugly, like Wisconsin basketball. The way they call the game these days devalues speed, slashing and athleticism.

Tackling people in the lane and under the basketball, stiff arms with the off-hand, forearm shivers against cutters in the lane, and handchecks all completely slow down the game and make it ugly. Actually blowing whistles and lowering the shot clock a few seconds would bring back a free flowing, up-and-down game that is more entertaining, aesthetically pleasing, and in the spirit of what basketball should be. If I wanted to watch football in a small arena I would watch Arena Football.
 



I agree. also, the trend towards more "physical" play seems to be impacting the HS game as well.

If I hear one more person yell "let them play" at a HS game, I may go postal. A foul is a foul. Impeding the dribbler is a foul. Hand-checking is a foul. using your off-arm to ward off the defender is a foul.

I have always seen basketball as a game of skill and execution. These days, it's turning into a game of brute force.
 

Gopherguy0723 said:
+1

College basketball is way too physical these days. The referees need to blow the whistle more often. The failure to enforce the rules and the continued devolution of the rules allows less talented teams to compete with more talented teams. It makes the game ugly, like Wisconsin basketball. The way they call the game these days devalues speed, slashing and athleticism.

Tackling people in the lane and under the basketball, stiff arms with the off-hand, forearm shivers against cutters in the lane, and handchecks all completely slow down the game and make it ugly. Actually blowing whistles and lowering the shot clock a few seconds would bring back a free flowing, up-and-down game that is more entertaining, aesthetically pleasing, and in the spirit of what basketball should be. If I wanted to watch football in a small arena I would watch Arena Football.
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I would add that part of the beauty of the game is that, if you're skilled enough, you can score. It's about putting the ball in the basket, which is why it's called basketball. You don't have to artificially create offense through the rules; just let offense occur from the skills of the players, provided they can overcome a defense that has the right to get in their way and put a hand in their face. I know people love football and everything, but not every sport needs to become football.
 

I am mixed here. I don't mind a little body contact under the basket. It's the Big Ten, you know. What drives me crazy is the clutching and grabbing when players are going through the lane without the ball and all the hand checking on the perimeter. That is one of the easiest calls to make and it is rarely called these days.

Blame it on Wisconsin.
 

I have to agree we need to get back to the skill in the game not who can overpower someone. Last night was brutal.. i saw guys getting hit on the arms on jump shots and nothing being called. A kicked ball missed... easy goal tend missed... just brutal.. let the skill players play the game.. u actually see less physical play in the NBA now that is sad
 



Bad Gopher said:
I would add that part of the beauty of the game is that, if you're skilled enough, you can score. It's about putting the ball in the basket, which is why it's called basketball. You don't have to artificially create offense through the rules; just let offense occur from the skills of the players, provided they can overcome a defense that has the right to get in their way and put a hand in their face. I know people love football and everything, but not every sport needs to become football.
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I would also add that by changing the rules to allow such physical play they artificially create defense. The uglier the game is, the less skill is required. Making the game ugly evens the playing field because it substitutes skill for physicality.
 

gopherhoopsguy said:
I have to agree we need to get back to the skill in the game not who can overpower someone. Last night was brutal.. i saw guys getting hit on the arms on jump shots and nothing being called. A kicked ball missed... easy goal tend missed... just brutal.. let the skill players play the game.. u actually see less physical play in the NBA now that is sad
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Agreed. I distinctly remember Louisville tackling McGary under the basket. They literally pushed him to the ground, and there was no foul. On what earth is tackling someone from behind not a foul? This occurred a few second to a minute before McGary decided to play soccer.
 

A kicking of the ball needs to be intentional. Was it? That is where the interpretation comes in. Did he kick it or did the guy throw it off his foot while he is airborne? I'd have to see it again, but did not seem as obvious as some think.
 

MaxyJR1 said:
A kicking of the ball needs to be intentional. Was it? That is where the interpretation comes in. Did he kick it or did the guy throw it off his foot while he is airborne? I'd have to see it again, but did not seem as obvious as some think.
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He reacted to the pass by moving his leg to make contact with the ball. He lifted his leg off the ground to stop the pass. By definition that cannot be unintentional as he reacted to stop the pass by moving his leg off of the ground to stop it. It was a blatant violation.
 

Agreed, it's gotten way too physical.

If you want to speed up the game, start calling fouls. Maybe give 6 fouls before being disqualified.

Though last night was a great game, it was often a scrum out there.
 

Louisville plays that style of ball. Bump,slap, hack and shove, they will foul an offensive player a minium of 3 times before he can get the ball past half court. that is how they get so many turnovers. They commit so many fouls that they know the refs will not call them all. In my opinion the officitating is getting horrible. I don't know whether they are on the take, to old or just don't know. In my opinion if Witichia or Michigan had gotten a good called game they would have beaten UL.
 

Gopherguy0723 said:
He reacted to the pass by moving his leg to make contact with the ball. He lifted his leg off the ground to stop the pass. By definition that cannot be unintentional as he reacted to stop the pass by moving his leg off of the ground to stop it. It was a blatant violation.
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while we are on the kicking topic... why is even a violation? i can deflect a ball with my face but not my foot? just like the dropped 3rd strike in baseball.. where did all these odd rules come from?
 

dboy said:
while we are on the kicking topic... why is even a violation? i can deflect a ball with my face but not my foot? just like the dropped 3rd strike in baseball.. where did all these odd rules come from?
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I cannot tell you why. Anything I say would be speculation. All I can say is that it was a clear violation.

If you want me to speculate, I would guess that using your legs to deflect the ball would make the game unplayable. Passing would be much more difficult, but dribbling with anyone pressuring you would be impossible. I could use my legs to kick the ball as you dribble. Offense would be extremely difficult.
 


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