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I think we have probably four scholarship left now that we have Carter and Hawthorne on board. Here's a list of candidates I wouldn't mind seeing fill up those spots.

  1. Bishop Sankey RB
  2. Wedley Estime DE
  3. Steven Montgomery S
  4. E.J. May CB
 



Call it a hunch, but I don't think we'll be taking any more CB commits now that Carter has verballed.

Montgomery or Cotton (whoever bites first) would make it 3 CB and 3 S in this class. I'm all for depth and everything, but 7 DBs in one class is pretty aggressive. Hell, 6 is pretty aggressive.

Change May to one of the Juwans (Brescacin or Caesar) and I'm right there with you. I think we still have 5 left, though, if I'm not mistaken.
 

Call it a hunch, but I don't think we'll be taking any more CB commits now that Carter has verballed.

Montgomery or Cotton (whoever bites first) would make it 3 CB and 3 S in this class. I'm all for depth and everything, but 7 DBs in one class is pretty aggressive. Hell, 6 is pretty aggressive.

Change May to one of the Juwans (Brescacin or Caesar) and I'm right there with you. I think we still have 5, though, if I'm not mistaken.

True but some of these guys may have played WR as well. Potential for filling other positions of need.

I think that these four are the most likely and with Kill's comments about working hard on the non-scholarship guys makes me believe he is close to set on 2011.
 


Call it a hunch, but I don't think we'll be taking any more CB commits now that Carter has verballed.

Montgomery or Cotton (whoever bites first) would make it 3 CB and 3 S in this class.

I hope it's Montgomery and it appears it is as he skipped his visit to Maryland.

On another note, it looks more and more like Hammock had a lot to do with our recruiting success in the Brewster era. The only guys we lost were recruited by other coaches (LaCosse & Vann) and he's reeling in all the big fish now. I can't wait to see what this staff does next year.
 

I hope it's Montgomery and it appears it is as he skipped his visit to Maryland.

On another note, it looks more and more like Hammock had a lot to do with our recruiting success in the Brewster era. The only guys we lost were recruited by other coaches (LaCosse & Vann) and he's reeling in all the big fish now. I can't wait to see what this staff does next year.

According to MV, Montgomery has 'essentially made up his mind' on being a Gopher. Very nice offer list!

Hammock seems to be the real deal in recruiting. I'm glad he's in on Bishop. We've been sooo close on a lot of really good running backs. I'd love to see what Bishop can do in Kill's offense
 

Call it a hunch, but I don't think we'll be taking any more CB commits now that Carter has verballed.

Montgomery or Cotton (whoever bites first) would make it 3 CB and 3 S in this class. I'm all for depth and everything, but 7 DBs in one class is pretty aggressive. Hell, 6 is pretty aggressive.

Change May to one of the Juwans (Brescacin or Caesar) and I'm right there with you. I think we still have 5 left, though, if I'm not mistaken.

Yeah, I agree with your Dpo.

I guess it depends on whether or not they all are going to line up at DB or if someone could switch to offense (or even possibly LB).
 

I like all the names being thrown out above but I believe this class also needs a true interior defensive lineman. I have heard message board chatter in recent weeks which indicates one of the O-line prospects might end up at D-line and that would be ok I guess. Anyone know where we stand with D-line recurits or moving an O-lineman to the defenseive side of the ball?
 



Call it a hunch, but I don't think we'll be taking any more CB commits now that Carter has verballed.

Montgomery or Cotton (whoever bites first) would make it 3 CB and 3 S in this class. I'm all for depth and everything, but 7 DBs in one class is pretty aggressive. Hell, 6 is pretty aggressive.

Change May to one of the Juwans (Brescacin or Caesar) and I'm right there with you. I think we still have 5 left, though, if I'm not mistaken.

RE the Juwans, I'd guess we have a better shot at Brescacin. Caesar set his official visits (according to an MV retweet I saw last night), and the Gophers missed out.
 

I like all the names being thrown out above but I believe this class also needs a true interior defensive lineman. I have heard message board chatter in recent weeks which indicates one of the O-line prospects might end up at D-line and that would be ok I guess. Anyone know where we stand with D-line recurits or moving an O-lineman to the defenseive side of the ball?

From what I've read here the smaller of the McAvoy twins will play DL, not sure about any of the other OL recruits.
 

I think we have probably four scholarship left now that we have Carter and Hawthorne on board. Here's a list of candidates I wouldn't mind seeing fill up those spots.

  1. Bishop Sankey RB
  2. Wedley Estime DE
  3. Steven Montgomery S
  4. E.J. May CB

Montgomery and Sankey (Maybe Seymour since he has a pretty outstanding list of schools interested), Estime because of those available, he seems to have the greatest interest and would like to see either Hayes switch or Fuller. Mays would be a fall back if those two do not commit.
 




This recruiting season is making me feel like a horse's patoot for doubting Kill initially. I've been very impressed.
 

I think we have 6 spots left in the class.

As my old math teacher used to say, "Show your work."

You alluded to this yourself the other day, but I'm under the impression that we can sign a total of 27. We signed 26 last year, and three never made it (the two Scranton jucos and Marquise Hill). Since we ended up with 23, we should be able to count back two of the new jucos, correct? And wouldn't that leave us to sign a total of 25 for this year + 2 for last year = 27? T. Carter makes 22, so doesn't that leave 5 more?
 

along with the above 4 mentioned, I would be extremely excited if we could steal arrington jenkins from Florida State when he takes his official visit next weekend. He hasn't officially committed to the seminoles yet, but he is a heavy lean.
 

along with the above 4 mentioned, I would be extremely excited if we could steal arrington jenkins from Florida State when he takes his official visit next weekend. He hasn't officially committed to the seminoles yet, but he is a heavy lean.

I was pretty excited when I read that on FBT today. Apparently FSU is in the running for the #1 OLB in the country and wouldn't need Arrington if they got him. If he wants the Gophers to be his fall back option I'd be ecstatic. New linebacker U!

EDIT: Here is his rivals profile. Que Dpol's rant about his lack of offers (Auburn, Mississippi, and FSU we should be ashamed of ourselves);)
 

I think we have probably four scholarship left now that we have Carter and Hawthorne on board. Here's a list of candidates I wouldn't mind seeing fill up those spots.

  1. Bishop Sankey RB - Definitely. If not, Dante Butler.
  2. Wedley Estime DE - Yes.
  3. Steven Montgomery S - Again, definitely.
  4. E.J. May CB - I wouldn't be disappointed, but as mentioned we have a few DBs already.

Another interior DL would be nice also.
 

As my old math teacher used to say, "Show your work."

You alluded to this yourself the other day, but I'm under the impression that we can sign a total of 27. We signed 26 last year, and three never made it (the two Scranton jucos and Marquise Hill). Since we ended up with 23, we should be able to count back two of the new jucos, correct? And wouldn't that leave us to sign a total of 25 for this year + 2 for last year = 27? T. Carter makes 22, so doesn't that leave 5 more?

minus the kicker from NCST (Hawthorne). That leaves 4 spots.
 


How does Tatum's scholarship count? He left before the end of the term.
 

As my old math teacher used to say, "Show your work."

You alluded to this yourself the other day, but I'm under the impression that we can sign a total of 27. We signed 26 last year, and three never made it (the two Scranton jucos and Marquise Hill). Since we ended up with 23, we should be able to count back two of the new jucos, correct? And wouldn't that leave us to sign a total of 25 for this year + 2 for last year = 27? T. Carter makes 22, so doesn't that leave 5 more?

Funny, I think I corrected myself as you were typing your response. I missed that Tamani Carter hadn't been added on the Rivals commit list yet when I counted the number of commits that we have.

I'm not 100% sure but I think the kicker does count against it. But we still have 5 remaining, 6 if the kicker doesn't count.
 

How does Tatum's scholarship count? He left before the end of the term.

We get the scholarship back (we can use 85) but he enrolled in school so he still counts against last year's class in terms of the number of players we brought in (26 signed - 3 that never enrolled so we can count 2 back (25-23=2)) so we can bring in 27 (25 + 2 counted back) this year.
 

Funny, I think I corrected myself as you were typing your response. I missed that Tamani Carter hadn't been added on the Rivals commit list yet when I counted the number of commits that we have.

I'm not 100% sure but I think the kicker does count against it. But we still have 5 remaining, 6 if the kicker doesn't count.

Wouldn't it be 4 remaining, 5 if the K doesn't count?
 

Most of Juwan Caesars visits are in January, I would not be surprised if he was a back up candidate for most of those schools.
 



I'm 99% sure that transfers don't count against the annual limit.

Please show your work.

Challenge accepted!

One hot order of NCAA Bylaw lovin comin at'cha

It's been a while since I flipped through this hallowed tome. I learn something every time( eg basketball-football dual sport athletes always count against football. Who knew? )

In anycase the relevant rules are the 'numbering the initial counters one by one section' aka
15.5.6.3

In particular our new kicker ought to be a "Recruited Student-Athlete Entering after Fall Term, Aided in First Year" highlighted in red below. We don't qualify as having all 85 counters so he can't be a mid-year replacement. So he will either be one of the ones counted against 2010 (which we have two slots I believe) or 2011's class. There is no transfering kickers don't count toward your intitial counters cap clause I'm affraid, but if you think you can find one please enlighten me.




15.02.3 Counter. A “counter” is an individual who is receiving institutional financial aid that is countable against the aid limitations in a sport.
15.02.3.1 Initial Counter. [FBS/FCS] An “initial counter” is a counter who is receiving countable financial aid in a sport for the first time. (See Bylaw 15.5.6.3 in football for instances in which the institution is permitted to defer the counting of such financial aid until the following academic year.)


15.5.6.3 Initial Counters—Football (Also see Bylaw 15.02.3.1 [above]).

15.5.6.3.1 Recruited Student-Athlete Entering in Fall Term, Aided in First Year. [FBS/FCS] A
student-athlete recruited by the awarding institution who enters in the fall term and receives institutional financial aid (based in any degree on athletics ability) during the first academic year in residence shall be an initial counter for that year in football. Therefore, such aid shall not be awarded if the institution has reached its limit on the number of initial counters prior to the award of institutional financial aid to the student-athlete.

15.5.6.3.2 Recruited Student-Athlete Entering after Fall Term, Aided in First Year. [FBS/FCS]
A student-athlete recruited by the awarding institution who enters after the first term of the academic year and immediately receives institutional financial aid (based in any degree on athletics ability) shall be an initial counter for either the current academic year (if the institution’s annual limit has not been reached) or the next academic year. The student-athlete shall be included in the institution’s total counter limit during the academic year in which the aid was first received.


15.5.6.3.3 Recruited Student-Athlete, Aid Received After First Year. [FBS/FCS]
A recruited student-athlete (including a student-athlete who was not a qualifier) in football who first receives athletically related financial aid after the student-athlete’s first academic year in residence shall be an initial counter for that academic year in which the aid is first received, if such aid is received during the fall term. However, such a student-athlete who first receives athletically related financial aid in the second or third term of an academic year may be considered an initial counter during the academic year in which aid was first received or the next academic year. In either case, the student-athlete shall be included in the institution’s total counter limit during the academic year in which the aid was first received. (Revised: 1/3/06)


15.5.6.3.4 Nonrecruited Student-Athlete Receiving Institutional Financial Aid. [FBS/FCS]
A student-athlete not recruited by the institution who receives institutional financial aid (based in any degree on athletics ability) after beginning football practice becomes a counter but need not be counted as an initial counter until the next academic year if the institution has reached its initial limit for the yearin question. However, the student-athlete shall be considered in the total counter limit for the academic year in which the aid was first received.

15.5.6.3.5 Midyear Replacement. [FBS/FCS]

A counter who graduates at midyear or who graduates during the previous academic year (including summer) may be replaced by an initial counter, who
shall be counted against the initial limit for the following academic year, or by a student-athlete who was an initial counter in a previous academic year and is returning to the institution after time spent on active duty in the armed services or on an official religious mission. In bowl subdivision football, an institution may use the midyear replacement exception only if it previously has provided financial aid during that academic year to the maximum number of overall counters (85 total counters). In championship subdivision football, an institution may use the midyear replacement exception only if it previously has provided financial aid during that academic year that equals the maximum number of overall equivalencies or overall counters. (Revised: 4/20/99 effective 8/1/99, 6/8/99, 4/26/01 effective 8/1/01, 8/2/05, 12/15/06,
1/14/08 effective 8/1/08, 4/2/10)

15.5.6.3.6 Aid First Awarded After Second Year. [FBS/FCS]
A student-athlete who has been in residence at the certifying institution for at least two academic years may receive athletically related financial aid for the first time without such aid counting as an initial award, provided the aid falls within the overall grant limitation. (Adopted: 1/11/89, Revised: 1/10/90 effective 8/1/90)

15.5.6.3.7 Recruited Student-Athlete, Varsity Competition. [FBS/FCS]
In accordance with Bylaw 15.5.1.2, a recruited student-athlete receiving institutional financial aid certified as having been granted without regard in any degree to athletics ability becomes an initial counter in the first academic year in which the student-athlete competes on the varsity level. (See Bylaw 15.5.1.2.2.) (Revised: 10/27/05 effective 8/1/06)

15.5.6.3.8 Returning Two-Year Transfer. [FBS/FCS]
A student-athlete who previously was an initial counter and who transferred to a two-year college shall not be an initial counter upon return to the original institution.

15.5.6.3.9 Delayed Initial Counter Who Does Not Return to School. [FBS/FCS]
A studentathlete who receives countable financial aid but whose status as an initial counter under this bylaw is delayed until the following academic year shall be counted against the initial limit the following academic year, regardless of whether the student-athlete reports for participation or attends the institution in that academic year.

15.5.6.4 Exceptions.
15.5.6.4.1 Voluntary Withdrawal.
An institution may replace a counter who voluntarily withdraws from the football team by providing the financial aid to another student who already has enrolled in the institution and is a member of the football squad. For this replacement to occur, the counter must withdraw prior to the first day of classes or before the first game of the season, whichever is earlier, and provide the institution with a signed statement releasing the institution from its obligation to provide institutional financial aid and verifying the voluntary nature of the withdrawal. The institution may immediately (beginning with the fall term) award the financial aid to a student-athlete who has been a
member of the team for at least one academic year and has not previously received athletically related financial aid. A student-athlete who has not been a member of the team for at least one academic year may not receive the financial aid during the fall term, but may receive it in a following term (e.g., spring semester, winter quarter). (Revised: 4/28/05 effective 8/1/05)

15.5.6.4.2 Sprint Football.
Participants in sprint football programs who do not participate in the
institution’s regular varsity intercollegiate program shall not be counted in the institution’s financial aid limitations.[Sprint Football, lol, thinking they are people]
 




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