That was Tubby's loss - we needed to go man to man

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Now I'm no great basketball mind like Tubby Smith, but I do know the basics of when to use a zone defense and when to play man to man. Purdue beat us with jump shots, not penetration. They moved the ball well and our defense was too slow to close out. Our trapping zone didn't force a single turnover in the last 9 minutes, but it did provide open looks for Purdue. If we're playing man I don't Keaton Grant makes two big 3s. Thoughts?
 


They did go man after Hummel lit us up to start the game. As soon as Hummel went out we went big and went back to the zone. Purdue didn't hit a field goal for over 5 minutes and was held to 10 points below their conference average.
 

woldygopher said:
Now I'm no great basketball mind like Tubby Smith, but I do know the basics of when to use a zone defense and when to play man to man. Purdue beat us with jump shots, not penetration. They moved the ball well and our defense was too slow to close out. Our trapping zone didn't force a single turnover in the last 9 minutes, but it did provide open looks for Purdue. If we're playing man I don't Keaton Grant makes two big 3s. Thoughts?
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Are you serious? Our zone defense kept us in the game. Do you realize the zone defense kept Purdue SCORELESS for over TEN MINUTES?? Purdue led it 30-17 with 4:49 left in the first half. They didn't score again until there was 14:33 left in the game and they trailed it 35-33 at that point. That's more than ten minutes without ANY points.

Their best scorer E'Twaan Moore was 1-for-7 from 3pt range. They made THREE 3pt baskets the ENTIRE 2nd half. Outside shots didn't kill us.

Purdue's offense looked terrible for most of the 2nd half. The absolute key was playing the zone. Purdue was confused for most of the half.
 

You are right you aren't a baskebtall mind... Jajuan was eating our bigs alive on the perimeter going man to man. The 2-3 zone was great not a big fan of 3-2 though
 


Zone was great

Our man to man was allowing Purdue to do just about whatever they wanted to do. They had no trouble getting open shots, none at all. When we went zone they had to work to get shots.

Our problem at the end was letting Purdue penetrate the zone on the dribble. Then they were able to kick it out and well, Purdue hit the shot and we didn't so we lose.

Defensively, the worst play was Hoff and his timid foul on the layup. Either let him go completely or knock him down and not let him score on the layup. He should know better.

Hope the Gophers can play like this the rest of the way, hats off to them!
 

I agree

I would have liked to see us go man at the end of the game. Purdue was getting some awfully good looks albeit they were not going in. Do we honestly think a team as good as Purdue would not be able to eventually figure out our zone? I think that notion is pretty naive. I thought it was a brilliant move to change things up by going zone in the first place, but at the end of the game when you are not as likely to draw a foul when going to the hoop, you need to man up!
 

Tubby somehow made it work against Wisconsin by seemingly randomly switching between man and zone. Risky but had a better chance to work because Wisconsin does not have a working piece to take advantage of the match-up inside. Nor are they as capable in terms of dribble drive offense. Purdue is a different story. Man-to-man was working against us as some individual match-ups were not working out for us. I do not think we could stop Purdue's penetration and inside game with man-to-man.
 

By the way...

I do have a great basketball mind!

Just Kidding, I can't wait to be torn into for this post.
 



Giving up wide open looks at 3 is a re-occuring theme game after game. I think they wanted to take the touches away from Johnson and Kramer inside. Thats y RS3 and Colton were in there at the same time. Some guys are just too slow to defend a 2/3 zone...aka Hoffarber...Bostick...I think man to man would have eliminated the wide wide open looks at 3. I would have let RS3 and DJ block shots down low instead. They are two of the best shot blockers in the nation. They could have handled JJ down there.
 

that long jumper wasn't exactly a great look. he just happened to make a big shot. we got destroyed in man. they would've just gone inside if we did that at the end. what killed us was the rocket off the backboard by iverson that turned into a fastbreak and a horrible attempt at a foul or whatever that was that gave them the and 1 opportunity.
 

the number 3 team in the country will make a big play to beat you... It was a long three, but he had a decent look I thought... Give the kid credit...clutch shot...and JJ really demonstrated why he should definitely receive all Big ten honors.
 

Here's the thing. I'm mostly a hockey and football guy, but I've learned a lot about basketball this year by following this board. First rule is, whenever some crank decides he or she knows more about college basketball strategy than a man who will undoubtedly be a hall of fame inductee, then ignore the crank and write down whatever Tubby did as being gospel.
 




woldygopher said:
Now I'm no great basketball mind like Tubby Smith, but I do know the basics of when to use a zone defense and when to play man to man. Purdue beat us with jump shots, not penetration. They moved the ball well and our defense was too slow to close out. Our trapping zone didn't force a single turnover in the last 9 minutes, but it did provide open looks for Purdue. If we're playing man I don't Keaton Grant makes two big 3s. Thoughts?
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The Gophers only gave up 59 pts to the #3 team in the country. What the hell do you want? The last second was a great wide open shot and it just didnt' go in. Give Purdue some credit for making big shots. Most of the shots were highly contested. Tip your hat to your opponent.
 

it wasn't the D, it was not going to Sampson for 10 straight minutes.
 

akoch6767 said:
Giving up wide open looks at 3 is a re-occuring theme game after game. I think they wanted to take the touches away from Johnson and Kramer inside. Thats y RS3 and Colton were in there at the same time. Some guys are just too slow to defend a 2/3 zone...aka Hoffarber...Bostick...I think man to man would have eliminated the wide wide open looks at 3. I would have let RS3 and DJ block shots down low instead. They are two of the best shot blockers in the nation. They could have handled JJ down there.
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Your first sentence is correct, they give up tons of wide open 3's when they play man or zone defense. The rest of your post is a bit nuts. I'm guessing they weren't worried about Kramer getting it inside, and I don't know that Ralph could handle JJ on the defensive end. He played him well, but it isn't like he shut him down. Watching Devoe, Westbrook, and Hoff try to D up Jackson, Moore, and Grant would have been much worse than anybody not sliding over fast enough in the zone defense.

The zone was terrible until Hummel got hurt, then it worked well as Purdue didn't have somebody burying 3's so easily.
 

woldygopher said:
Now I'm no great basketball mind like Tubby Smith, but I do know the basics of when to use a zone defense and when to play man to man. Purdue beat us with jump shots, not penetration. They moved the ball well and our defense was too slow to close out. Our trapping zone didn't force a single turnover in the last 9 minutes, but it did provide open looks for Purdue. If we're playing man I don't Keaton Grant makes two big 3s. Thoughts?
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You are right, you are not a basketball mind like Tubby so before you open you post here is what you need to say, please Tubby let me know why you went to use a Zone defense. He would say because it worked. Purdue went for almost 10 minutes trying to beat that zone. I cannot believe how stupid your post is. Did you not see how our players covered the basket?
 

Brew_recruit said:
it wasn't the D, it was not going to Sampson for 10 straight minutes.
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I agree with this sentiment. I wasn't able to watch the game so I don't if Purdue took that part of the offense away. I would think you could at least feed it to him and if he got doubled look for the open guy and get a decent shot.
 

The-Real-Truth said:
You are right, you are not a basketball mind like Tubby so before you open you post here is what you need to say, please Tubby let me know why you went to use a Zone defense. He would say because it worked. Purdue went for almost 10 minutes trying to beat that zone. I cannot believe how stupid your post is. Did you not see how our players covered the basket?
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Well, there's a ditch on both sides of the road there. One could well ask Tubby- why didn't we change strategies earlier in the year- in games where it wasn't working (which were plenty even with Nolen still here). Tubby, while he has made some real nice adjustments in the last few games, has not had a real good coaching year.
 

Our zone worked fine. End of story. It forced Moore to the outside. If we had been playing man-to-man he would have eaten Westbrook/Hoff/Joseph alive.
 

Zone v. Man to Man plus/minus

ZONE /// +12
M - M \\\ -13
 


gopheralum2000 said:
I agree with this sentiment. I wasn't able to watch the game so I don't if Purdue took that part of the offense away. I would think you could at least feed it to him and if he got doubled look for the open guy and get a decent shot.
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no they didn't take it away it was just our O going to the guards taking dumb shots. There was 3 straight possessions where Devoe dribbled around picks and never passed the rock once and took a long 2.
 

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