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Anyone on here know if Nick Rengal (sp?) is playing TE this year? Seems like we will be pretty thin at that position, and I remember watching his recruiting film, the dude seems like a great TE prospect.

Also, what postion is Kerry Lewis going to play? ( I think that’s his name) He was another one that jumped out on film; looks like a smallish, rock solid Tyrone Carter type to me. He was all over the field, making big plays on that tape.
 

Thunderlips said:
Anyone on here know if Nick Rengal (sp?) is playing TE this year? Seems like we will be pretty thin at that position, and I remember watching his recruiting film, the dude seems like a great TE prospect.

Also, what postion is Kerry Lewis going to play? ( I think that’s his name) He was another one that jumped out on film; looks like a smallish, rock solid Tyrone Carter type to me. He was all over the field, making big plays on that tape.
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Rengel was working with the Fullbacks as far as I know. I think they project him as an Hback/fullback type. I'm excited to see where he's at, agreed, he has unreal potential with his size and speed.

Kerry Lewis to me looked legit enough to contribute last year at least on special teams, just another talented kid that redshirted, he is a smaller guy though, I'd expect corner, anyone else have insight on these two?
 

Rengel will be an H-back and Lewis will play strong safety
 

I'd hardly call us thin at TE, considering the JuCo xfer.
 

JUCO Transfer

Yeah, if Eure turns out to be half the prospect Heyo Carpenter was, we're loaded at tight end!
 


wels0081 said:
Yeah, if Eure turns out to be half the prospect Heyo Carpenter was, we're loaded at tight end!
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You have no idea of knowing what kind of player Eure is going to be. Just as easily he turns out to be the kind of prospect Simoni Lawrence or Eric Small were.
 

gophergrad said:
You have no idea of knowing what kind of player Eure is going to be. Just as easily he turns out to be the kind of prospect Simoni Lawrence or Eric Small were.
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10 catches for 159 yards in his collegiate career.

Lawrence and Small were highly regarded coming out of high school and coming out of their respective Juco.

This kid was neither. If someone wants to make a joke about Hayo Carpenter, I will encourage that.
 

Not true

Small was NOT highly regarded coming out of high school or JUCO. He was a high school LB and went to some small school, then transfered to JUCO. He played DE and teams projected him to fill out and play DT but he had no experience. Teams like MN and Wisc were on him late as he was a redshirt frosh and not a sophomore.

Eure had offers out of JUCO from:
Minnesota
Colorado
UConn
Syracuse
Rutgers
Purdue

Out of high school Eure had offers from:
UConn
Michigan State
Rutgers
Temple

Hayo is a good example, however, that you never know. Then again, McKinley was a non factor in year one and decent in year two.
 

magpie said:
I'd hardly call us thin at TE, considering the JuCo xfer.
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even with the new guy, i can only recall about 3 Scholarship TEs on the entire roster. And if we are truly going to "pound the rock", i would assume that means we will run many multiple TE sets. not to mention our goal-line package, that will have 3 TEs on the field at the same time....if thats not thin, i dont know what is.
 



Thunderlips said:
even with the new guy, i can only recall about 3 Scholarship TEs on the entire roster. And if we are truly going to "pound the rock", i would assume that means we will run many multiple TE sets. not to mention our goal-line package, that will have 3 TEs on the field at the same time....if thats not thin, i dont know what is.
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Euree
Lair
McGarry
Hughes
Rengel, when needed
Hageman, when needed
 


magpie said:
I'd hardly call us thin at TE, considering the JuCo xfer.
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With Hageman moving over to DE the only prep player we have brought in for the 2009 or 2010 class that can play TE is Nick Rengel. We'll be fine for depth there this year but TE isn't a position you see very many true freshman so we need to hit it hard with recruiting so that in 2012 we can actually use double tights formation and so that we have a backup. IMO we need to bring in at least 2 in the 2011 recruiting class (maybe 1 Juco & 1 Prep or 2 prep) and probably 2 more in 2012 (if we don't hit Juco in this class we will need to in 2012).
 




I still think we are pretty thin at TE. Hughes and McGarry are solid in specific roles but it remains to be seen whether Lair and Eure are going to be legitimate threats at the position. I am cautiously optimistic about Eure, but I didn't see a ton out of Lair that was overly exciting.

As far as Rengel, well, I assume he will stay at FB. On a side note, why do some people call our FB position an H Back? From my understanding, an HBack is more like a blocking TE who doesn't always line up on the line of scrimmage. An H Back will almost never run the football. I just think we use a fullback in a really traditional way, it just seems odd to me that so many people would describe our FB position as an HBack. But that is me just splitting hairs, Rengel will most likely stay at FB. But we'll see.
 


bankonit said:
I think Rengel will be starting benchwarmer
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No he won't! If you had ever taken the time to look at the home sideline, you'd have noticed we have heated benches. It was a tough blow to Rengel, but I've heard he's gotten over it and is working hard toward contributing on the field.
 


Bob_Loblaw said:
As far as Rengel, well, I assume he will stay at FB. On a side note, why do some people call our FB position an H Back? From my understanding, an HBack is more like a blocking TE who doesn't always line up on the line of scrimmage. An H Back will almost never run the football. I just think we use a fullback in a really traditional way, it just seems odd to me that so many people would describe our FB position as an HBack. But that is me just splitting hairs, Rengel will most likely stay at FB. But we'll see.
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We don't refer to our FB as and H-Back. We refer to Rengel as an H-Back because Brewster has said that he will play H-Back. An H-Back will line up as either a FB or TE depending on the formation. There is no reason that an H-Back can't carry the ball just as a FB would.
 

grunkiejr said:
We don't refer to our FB as and H-Back. We refer to Rengel as an H-Back because Brewster has said that he will play H-Back. An H-Back will line up as either a FB or TE depending on the formation. There is no reason that an H-Back can't carry the ball just as a FB would.
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I see. I didn't know that Brew was considering tweaking his formations for Rengel. It does make sense though.

Most of the times when people refer to an H-Back (by definition), it refers to a player that will almost never run the football. Chris Cooley was an HBack for a few years (now more of a traditional TE) and he doesn't have a single carry in his career. There is obviously nothing stopping us from handing the ball off to the H-Back, but by definition (at least when it originally came out), H-Back's almost never carried the football. So if Brewster is using the term like most everyone else (including the inventor (Joe Gibbs)), then Rengel won't be running the ball much. If he is using the term loosely, then he is really just saying that Rengell is a FB who might line up on the line occasionally.
 


His scout profile (from when we signed him) says that he was originally committed to PSU. I don't think you could be committed to a program without an offer.
 

Bob_Loblaw said:
His scout profile (from when we signed him) says that he was originally committed to PSU. I don't think you could be committed to a program without an offer.
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True, he was a commit to PSU as a running back prior to not qualifying and heading to prep school.
 


Well, you could lie, i suppose. For some reason, I don't think that was the case with Simoni.
 

Bob_Loblaw said:
Well, you could lie, i suppose. For some reason, I don't think that was the case with Simoni.
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No, it definitely was the case with Simoni.

-- No high school recruiting profile on Rivals/Scout/ESPN.

-- Penn State's football program consistently maintains one of the nation's top graduation rates. They usually don't take on academic risks, and almost certainly wouldn't roll the dice on a player of Simoni's caliber.

-- Zach Johnson inquired to Blue & White Illustrated (Rivals) about Simoni's supposed Penn State offer: they never heard of him.
 

Plinnius said:
No, it definitely was the case with Simoni.

-- No high school recruiting profile on Rivals/Scout/ESPN.

-- Penn State's football program consistently maintains one of the nation's top graduation rates. They usually don't take on academic risks, and almost certainly wouldn't roll the dice on a player of Simoni's caliber.

-- Zach Johnson inquired to Blue & White Illustrated (Rivals) about Simoni's supposed Penn State offer: they never heard of him.
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I thought he was offered by PSU too, so I did a 5 second Google search 'Simoni Lawrence Penn State' and found this on Scout:

"Lawrence originally committed to Penn State out of high school as a running back, but did not qualify academically. He is hoping to graduate this fall and join whichever school he commits to for spring ball."

Link: http://minnesota.scout.com/a.z?s=176&p=8&c=1&nid=3254642
 

I'm guessing he 'committed' very early, like spring of his junior year, got his grades and it became clear the he wouldn't qualify early on so he was never really 'recruited' by anyone. He's certainly athletic enough to have warranted a PSU offer out of HS
 

WAGopher said:
I thought he was offered by PSU too, so I did a 5 second Google search 'Simoni Lawrence Penn State' and found this on Scout:

"Lawrence originally committed to Penn State out of high school as a running back, but did not qualify academically. He is hoping to graduate this fall and join whichever school he commits to for spring ball."

Link: http://minnesota.scout.com/a.z?s=176&p=8&c=1&nid=3254642
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Yes, Simoni is the source of that info.
 

Bob_Loblaw said:
I see. I didn't know that Brew was considering tweaking his formations for Rengel. It does make sense though.

Most of the times when people refer to an H-Back (by definition), it refers to a player that will almost never run the football. Chris Cooley was an HBack for a few years (now more of a traditional TE) and he doesn't have a single carry in his career. There is obviously nothing stopping us from handing the ball off to the H-Back, but by definition (at least when it originally came out), H-Back's almost never carried the football. So if Brewster is using the term like most everyone else (including the inventor (Joe Gibbs)), then Rengel won't be running the ball much. If he is using the term loosely, then he is really just saying that Rengell is a FB who might line up on the line occasionally.
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Why are you so hung up on what other teams do with their H-Backs? We don't have to alter any formations to play somebody at H-Back. Sometimes he lines up at TE sometimes he lines up at FB. There is no rule that says because Washington didn't hand off to an H-Back that was lined up at FB that we can't do it.
 

Plinnius said:
No, it definitely was the case with Simoni.

-- No high school recruiting profile on Rivals/Scout/ESPN.

-- Penn State's football program consistently maintains one of the nation's top graduation rates. They usually don't take on academic risks, and almost certainly wouldn't roll the dice on a player of Simoni's caliber.

-- Zach Johnson inquired to Blue & White Illustrated (Rivals) about Simoni's supposed Penn State offer: they never heard of him.
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Tell that to the ABC announcers that said that he was committed to PSU out of HS as a RB on the broadcast this year. Tell that to Simoni Lawrence who talked about it in an interview.
 

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