TCU ditches Big East, joins Big 12

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It's hard to see the Big East surviving as a BCS conference. The Mountain West looks like they are going to take that away.
 

Big East go boom. WVU has gotta be trying like crazy to get into the SEC. I imagine the ACC will be picking up UConn and Rutgers.
 

I agree, I'm sure West Virginia is desperately trying to get out of there. The alternative might be the formation of a new conference, take the best teams from Conference USA and the better remaining teams from the Big East.
 

So left to sort will be if WVU or Missouri goes to the SEC. Big 12 will have 2 spots to fill between Louisville, Cincy and BYU.
 


Best thing on this is all the people who said Notre Dame will be content where they are due to football independence/NBC$ and Big East for basketball. They will definitely be looking now.

The minute Pitt and Syracuse left it was obvious the Big East was going to tank it.
 

RailBaronYarr said:
Best thing on this is all the people who said Notre Dame will be content where they are due to football independence/NBC$ and Big East for basketball. They will definitely be looking now.
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The thing is, they can still have that. The NBC $$$ have always been a misconception. If it's about money Notre Dame joins the B1G. Their alums are nuts about staying indy and they need a home for all the rest of their sports. An implosion of Big East football doesn't change any of that for them. Men's BBall still has a good conference to call home as do the non-revenue sports and they still get to be a FB indy.
 

GoAUpher said:
The thing is, they can still have that. The NBC $$$ have always been a misconception. If it's about money Notre Dame joins the B1G. Their alums are nuts about staying indy and they need a home for all the rest of their sports. An implosion of Big East football doesn't change any of that for them. Men's BBall still has a good conference to call home as do the non-revenue sports and they still get to be a FB indy.
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I guess without football I don't see the Big East sustaining itself as an athletic conference. I know the BBall teams that are left bring in a decent amount of money from the NCAA tourney but the remaining schools in the Big East won't be getting nearly the chunk of change they got from football TV contracts. The other schools that aren't in football will have no revenue sharing to lean on.

In addition I thought I've been reading how the ND alums are very much coming around to the idea of no independence in football anymore. I also was under the impression that their NBC contract was at least equal (or close enough to) the B1G money they would get that losing independence would be a wash. At least until they stop getting such a good contract from NBC.

Tell me how BE basketball remains with the loss of: Syracuse, Pitt, and likely UConn/West Virginia (both will take a slight basketball reduction for a real football conference)? That's 3 of the top tier basketball teams and media-drawing names..
 

RailBaronYarr said:
Tell me how BE basketball remains with the loss of: Syracuse, Pitt, and likely UConn/West Virginia (both will take a slight basketball reduction for a real football conference)? That's 3 of the top tier basketball teams and media-drawing names..
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Big East raids the A10 of UMass, Xavier, Temple, and another.
 



RailBaronYarr said:
I guess without football I don't see the Big East sustaining itself as an athletic conference. I know the BBall teams that are left bring in a decent amount of money from the NCAA tourney but the remaining schools in the Big East won't be getting nearly the chunk of change they got from football TV contracts. The other schools that aren't in football will have no revenue sharing to lean on.

In addition I thought I've been reading how the ND alums are very much coming around to the idea of no independence in football anymore. I also was under the impression that their NBC contract was at least equal (or close enough to) the B1G money they would get that losing independence would be a wash. At least until they stop getting such a good contract from NBC.

Tell me how BE basketball remains with the loss of: Syracuse, Pitt, and likely UConn/West Virginia (both will take a slight basketball reduction for a real football conference)? That's 3 of the top tier basketball teams and media-drawing names..
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I'm not trying to say that this won't "kill" the Big East as we know it. The Big East football schools are almost certainly screwed. Keeping a BCS AQ status will be hard. For football it could turn into Conf USA part 2. But none of that matters for the purposes of Notre Dame.

Why would the non-FB Big East schools need to worry? They can choose to add schools to make football adequate or non-FB schools could break off from Cincy, Louisville, and the rest. At that point they are no worse off then any other number of non-BCS conferences (think A-10). They either don't compete in FB (Marquette) or do so at a lower level (Villanova). The hurt on BB would be worse then I was quickly picturing in my head, you're certainly right there. But again, getting back to Notre Dame, it's still a home for the non-FB sports that lets Notre Dame stay independent in FB. And it isn't a horrid home for ND Men's BBall either. And if the conference adds schools like UCF, etc then the bball product stays strong unless other conferences come in and poach UConn, Louisville, WVU, etc.

ND is making approx 11 million per year from NBC. So those numbers are easily dwarfed by what they'd make in the B1G. I'd be surprised if ND alums were coming around to being a non-indy in anything except the worse case scenario. The outcry last summer/fall against a move to a conference was HUGE. Now, if you start talking super-conferences I'm guessing the rational portion of the fanbase gets smart. But an imploding Big East doesn't force a super-conference era. Conferences like the Big 12, ACC, and SEC have to take the remaining Big East football schools on for that to happen. UConn and WVU want out now I'm sure...but that doesn't mean it'll happen.

Any way you slice it, if ND still values independence first then only the superconference era means that the Big East (however it is constituted) won't be able to serve as a viable home for the Domers.
 

GoAUpher said:
ND is making approx 11 million per year from NBC. So those numbers are easily dwarfed by what they'd make in the B1G. I'd be surprised if ND alums were coming around to being a non-indy in anything except the worse case scenario. The outcry last summer/fall against a move to a conference was HUGE. Now, if you start talking super-conferences I'm guessing the rational portion of the fanbase gets smart. But an imploding Big East doesn't force a super-conference era. Conferences like the Big 12, ACC, and SEC have to take the remaining Big East football schools on for that to happen. UConn and WVU want out now I'm sure...but that doesn't mean it'll happen.

Any way you slice it, if ND still values independence first then only the superconference era means that the Big East (however it is constituted) won't be able to serve as a viable home for the Domers.
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If they want to stay with NBC/Big East for other sports they may have to decide if they can stomach some of thier games on cable. I suspect NBC is going to push to be able to put a game or two on their new sports cable network (formerly Versus) in the next contract if they want the same/more $$. Are ND home games on network televison also 'sacred'?
 

goldengophers said:
Big East raids the A10 of UMass, Xavier, Temple, and another.
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This would all but ruin the big east as a football conference. Not enough D-1 football schools means that you can bet Cincy, Rutgers, Louisville, and USF all scatter, even if it means moving to a non-bcs conference.
 

Why don't they just come out and get it over with? Pac-12 will take over the west coast, Big-12 will take middle america & texas, B1G will own the midwest/new england, and SEC will control the east coast and SE.

There's your four super-conferences and the winners are the inevitable final four we all know is being pushed.
 



I suspect that WVU wants to go elsewhere, but nobody wants them. You're looking at a school with no media market to speak of, marginal fan support due in large part to the distances and poor roads it takes to get to games, and mediocre academics. Add to that a fanbase that's largely considered a bunch of drunken hillbillies, and no major conference wants to deal with them.
 

howeda7 said:
If they want to stay with NBC/Big East for other sports they may have to decide if they can stomach some of thier games on cable. I suspect NBC is going to push to be able to put a game or two on their new sports cable network (formerly Versus) in the next contract if they want the same/more $$. Are ND home games on network televison also 'sacred'?
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Dunno...that wasn't a part of the last round of expansion stuff with ND so Domers never had to ponder it. Something tells me by the way they reacted to the independence thing that they'd be cool with it. Going to a conference also means their beloved team ends up on cable, be it through more ESPN or BTN or whatever. So I doubt that's a factor.
 


magpie said:
Why don't they just come out and get it over with? Pac-12 will take over the west coast, Big-12 will take middle america & texas, B1G will own the midwest/new england, and SEC will control the east coast and SE.

There's your four super-conferences and the winners are the inevitable final four we all know is being pushed.
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Good take.
 

Gopher07 said:
CBS talks about Notre Dame's football independence: http://brett-mcmurphy.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/29532522/32541449
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I wonder if this guy gets the fact that the Big East can survive in some form without it's football members. Whether it is called the Big East or not certainly depends. It also assumes that ND cares more about it's non-FB sports being in a BCS conference then having football independence (which is a tough thing to gauge given the fact that ND hasn't been faced with that choice before).
 

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