TCF Bank Stadium causes CRIME! (even when not in use)

Donate To GopherHole
Schnauzer

Schnauzer

Pretty Sure You are Wrong
Joined
Jun 4, 2009
Messages
6,797
Reaction score
3,943
Points
113
Is it just me or are articles like this incredibly sensational and misguided?:

http://wcco.com/local/neighborhood.stadium.problems.2.1260550.html

What does this "crime" have to do with the stadium (despite the fact the stadium is named in the headline, video caption, several times in the article, etc.)?

Also, I have found it interesting that there were all those complaints about game day noise from the St. Anthony neighborhood and those complaints found their way onto every local news service. Yet, correct me if I am wrong but I don't recall seeing any follow-up news bits from that neighborhood with reporters armed with MICROPHONES in following games. Again, it is certainly possible I just missed it. Did anyone see any follow up reporting where the noise volumes were observed there at later games?
 

This whole story is a joke.

So some crimes are up in the neighborhood, but there is a direct quote from the Police Dept. spokesperson saying the busiest weekend for these problems was during an away game in September? That basically dispels much of what is being implied by Ms. Pohland here from the headline on through the entire story.

Some of the quotes are just classic too.

"Students seem to be more and more disrespectful." said Southeast Minneapolis resident Ginny Potratz. "Disturbances, kids on cell phones, walking back and forth, yelling, throwing beer cans, bottles and groups -- large groups -- walking back and forth."
Click to expand...

I fail to see how this is any different than weekends when I was in school and there wasn't an on-campus stadium. God forbid, these kids are on cell phones, walking back and forth.

"It's really bad," Potratz said. "It's the reason that we think constantly of moving. They're driving us out of our homes."
Click to expand...

Nothing described above is particular to the stadium. These things have been happening for years around college campuses all over the country. I can't feel bad if you constantly think about moving away from issues you should have foreseen before buying your home. I'm not excusing any of this behavior - well, at least not the throwing beer bottles and such - but you had to expect it to be part of the deal when you moved to a campus-adjacent neighborhood full of students.

"My concerns are the fact they're going be more rowdier, and there's going to be more drinking and having fun," said Southeast Minneapolis resident Janice Douthitt. "And I think there's going to be a lot more destruction going on."
Click to expand...

I am also concerned that they're going to be more rowdier. Seriously though, there's going to be more drinking and having fun? What a terrible world.
 

a big stretch

I am sure the problems in the neighborhood are real but to link them to the stadium specifically is a big stretch. It has a lot to do with being in the U's neighborhood but mostly to do with the sentence at the bottom of the article. More rental properties and less owner occupied homes, meaning more students having parties at their apartments. I think the neighbors are using the stadium to get the news to cover their concerns.
 

This reminds me of people that live near the airport and complain about the noise. My favorite quote was from the resident that said, "My concerns are the fact they're going be more rowdier, and there's going to be more drinking and having fun".

How dare they have fun!!!

Also, why did Darcy feel the urge to add the "on football weekends" to the following statement:

Rowdy fights and large, loud parties are just some of what neighbors in the Southeast Como neighborhood near the University of Minnesota campus deal with on football weekends.
Click to expand...

when later in the same piece the Deputy Chief of police said, "The busiest weekend so far was actually the weekend of an away game in late September."

I know that Darcy is a Gopher football fan (she sat in my section at the dome), but I really don't understand some of the pieces she puts out that paint the U of M football experience in a bad light.
 

parkinglotgopher, you live in the suburbs or outstate I am assuming? I know what they are talking about because I used to live in a similar neighborhood. Th police need to address the problems because these people shouldn't have to deal with the bullcrap of drunken fights and yelling late at night. However blaming the stadium is also bullcrap, the problems would be there with or without the stadium. I am not calling you out simply saying that the neighbors have valid concerns that need to be taken care of.
 


"Neighbors said the trouble has increased over the past 10 years as more rental property has replaced owner-occupied homes. "

Last I checked, TCF hasn't been around for 10 years.
 

correct, its not the stadium, its rental property and parties that are out of control.
 

bankonit said:
parkinglotgopher, you live in the suburbs or outstate I am assuming? I know what they are talking about because I used to live in a similar neighborhood. Th police need to address the problems because these people shouldn't have to deal with the bullcrap of drunken fights and yelling late at night. However blaming the stadium is also bullcrap, the problems would be there with or without the stadium. I am not calling you out simply saying that the neighbors have valid concerns that need to be taken care of.
Click to expand...

When you assume, well, you know. I actually live about a mile away from the stadium on the edge of the Marcy Holmes neighborhood, so it kind of refutes your argument that I'm not in the middle of much of this. I agree with you that late night fights, bottle chucking (I actually just swept a broken Skyy bottle up from the sidewalk in front of my house this week), and other over-the-top drunken behavior aren't something these people should have to deal with, but at the same time, when you bought a house in these neighborhoods, you should have known this was a potential problem, especially late night noise, which I have trouble feeling bad about. I'm not excusing the behavior by drunks when I say this, I'm just saying it comes with the territory and it's unlikely that will ever change.

One thing we can both agree on, trying to link it to the stadium is a bit sensationalistic and complete nonsense. It's happening regardless of the stadium being there or not.
 

Ditto what parkinglotgopher said. When you buy a house in close proximity to a University (let alone one of the largest on the planet), you will be subject to late-night carousing and noise. Period. You can't reasonably expect to have all of the benefits and none of the drawbacks.

The University was here long before any of these people, and it will continue to be here long after they're gone.
 



Students walking back and forth... shocking. Students having fun... horrifying. It's not as if the U has been there for 150 years... Just because someone buys a house near one of the largest universities in the country doesn't mean that they should expect to have to deal with students.

If you just complain about rowdy parties, that's not going to get much traction. But if you claim that the stadium is somehow causing problems that have not existed before, then someone will put a microphone in your face. It's not as if these problems didn't exist during the Dome years, and in any case, playing at an off-campus stadium was an abberation.
 

Geez...students causing problems? Tough $hit.... Move. :rockon:
 

RodentRampage said:
Students walking back and forth... shocking. Students having fun... horrifying. It's not as if the U has been there for 150 years... Just because someone buys a house near one of the largest universities in the country doesn't mean that they should expect to have to deal with students.

If you just complain about rowdy parties, that's not going to get much traction. But if you claim that the stadium is somehow causing problems that have not existed before, then someone will put a microphone in your face. It's not as if these problems didn't exist during the Dome years, and in any case, playing at an off-campus stadium was an abberation.
Click to expand...

Exactly what I was thinking. If the same thing was happening, but we were still playing in the dome, this wouldn't even be a story.
 

Have to agree with other posters on this subject. The whole premise of the article is flawed at best. People walking back-and-forth? Too much drinking and having fun? Wow. And all of this is "driving people out of their homes"? Just wow.
 



You think it's bad now, just wait until that hoodlum John Fogerty comes to Northrup Auditorium with his damn rock and roll music.
 

I have little sympathy for people who live near a university. Why do they live there? Because it is a lively, energetic place to live. Noise goes with that.

However, there is one easy change that will siginficantly drop noise. Lower the drinking age to 18 or 19. All these kids having fun will go out to bars where they are (soemwhat) supervised.

The US is the only place in the world with a 21 drinking age- time to get rid of it. I am always incredulous that people are allowed to join the army but cannot legally drink.
 

People need to learn how to drink. There's a point where you're drunk enough to be in a maximally pleasureable state. Drinking more at this point, and your fun decreases. Once you are at that point, only drink enough to maintain that state as it begins to wear off. Too many people keep drinking long after it feels good. Of course, that's something you have to learn, I've had my share of overdrinking.

I read a study which claimed that people who grew up being allowed a glass of wine at dinner were less likely to have problems with alcohol later on. The reasoning was that alcohol ceased to be a "forbidden fruit", so they were less likely to engage in binge drinking.
 

RodentRampage said:
I read a study which claimed that people who grew up being allowed a glass of wine at dinner were less likely to have problems with alcohol later on. The reasoning was that alcohol ceased to be a "forbidden fruit", so they were less likely to engage in binge drinking.
Click to expand...

Bingo. My wife's cousins (all girls) were brought up in a practically Puritan household. No swearing, no R-rated movies, home by 10 pm, the whole nine yards. The youngest two turned out ok, but the oldest, not surprisingly, turned into a huge alcoholic/slut when she got out from under her parents' wing and went to college.

And these are the types of kids that come to the U, don't know when to say "enough", and make complete asses out of themselves on a nightly basis.

Of course, that still doesn't excuse people living near the U to expect total peace and quiet.
 

I agree with the "party/noise comes with property next to a University" opinion but my real outrage here was the attempt to somehow pull in the stadium and hint that it is somehow the cause of the complaints... all in a sad attempt to shock and gain readership through the headline and picture caption.
 



She is busy with me and a group of my friends, gophergrad. :drink: :party: :drink: :party:
 

dpodoll68 said:
Bingo. My wife's cousins (all girls) were brought up in a practically Puritan household. No swearing, no R-rated movies, home by 10 pm, the whole nine yards. The youngest two turned out ok, but the oldest, not surprisingly, turned into a huge alcoholic/slut when she got out from under her parents' wing and went to college.

And these are the types of kids that come to the U, don't know when to say "enough", and make complete asses out of themselves on a nightly basis.
Of course, that still doesn't excuse people living near the U to expect total peace and quiet.
Click to expand...

I think you can go to every college in America and you'll find these "type of kids." It's college, kids are away from their parents for the first time. They're going to act like idiots. Not condoning it or anything, but it's not really a surprise. The only reason this is even a story is because of the stadium. We know this stuff would be going on even without TCF. I doubt wcco would have reported on it though.
 

I actually take this as a good sign, minus the vandalism. Assuming CCO and Darcy aren't just bringing in the stadium for rating(a BIG assumption) this means campus is alive on gamedays before and after games. Parties, kids walking back and forth after the game. Doesn't excuse vandalism or binge partying to an unsafe degree, but if it has increased this year to the point of bugging the blue hairs and hippies around campus, it shows an increase in campus life. That is a good sign.
 

GophersInIowa said:
I think you can go to every college in America and you'll find these "type of kids." It's college, kids are away from their parents for the first time. They're going to act like idiots. Not condoning it or anything, but it's not really a surprise. The only reason this is even a story is because of the stadium. We know this stuff would be going on even without TCF. I doubt wcco would have reported on it though.
Click to expand...

Of course these kids are on every campus of every college in the world. I did not mean to imply that kids at the U are worse than the norm, because they're not. If that's the way you took it, I apologize.
 

In other news:

*** The Reduction of Pirates causes Global Warming!! ***

piratesarecool4.gif
 

This is why pirates are better than ninjas. Pirates prevent global warming. That, and they get to say things in a funny way. Argh!
 

Maybe, but ninjas are so stealthy that no one can find them all:

ninjasviathefunniestinfsc8.jpg
 


This article should be sent to all those thinking about coming to the U. People always say, Madison is way crazier, but we party on our cell phones and walk back and forth really late at night. Take that Madison!!
 

GortonsFisherman011 said:
This article should be sent to all those thinking about coming to the U. People always say, Madison is way crazier, but we party on our cell phones and walk back and forth really late at night. Take that Madison!!
Click to expand...

Quick, somebody get Playboy on the phone. If this doesn't get us on the top 10 party school list, nothing will.
:D
 

You must log in or register to reply here.



Top Bottom