States with the Largest Exodus of People

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You had me on the rest of the post until the Redwood Falls and Morris part. Maybe I don’t know what I’m missing, but there are a hundred other parts of Minnesota I would think of going remote before there.
It was a shear random selection. Pulled square out of my ass, full disclosure. You get the idea, I think a lot of people would make the move. I grew up rurally in MN so I always think that I could go back easily but maybe not so easily. Shit, I just bought a house in BFE South Dakota largely for hunting and I'm looking at that more and more like, Damn, it would be nice and peaceful to be here!

As far as Wally's comment about companies adjusting salaries, I doubt that's happening very wide spread but it could be happening in isolated situations. Even if salaries were adjusted; leaving the hustle and bustle and traffic and crime and higher taxes and cost of living of MSP? For a lot of people that would be just what the doctor ordered, would gladly take a small decrease in exchange for an increase quality of life.
 

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So it’s not all about Covid restrictions, it’s about the widespread ability to work remote now?
If that’s what you are saying, I would 100% agree that’s a huge part of the exodus. I can’t hire people right now because I don’t have executive leadership support to offer remote jobs.
I would view COVID restrictions more as a straw. When I think about California, for example, I would put the taxation, welfare state, tent cities, surging crime, education system, and shrugging their shoulders at thefts below $950, etc., etc. right along side it. Eventually, even the weather isn’t enough to keep you there.
 

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leaving the hustle and bustle and traffic and crime and higher taxes and cost of living of MSP? For a lot of people that would be just what the doctor ordered, would gladly take a small decrease in exchange for an increase quality of life.

It could be, but if you're a striving white collar worker being in a major metro will still have alot of advantages for job opportunities.
 

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I would view COVID restrictions more as a straw. When I think about California, for example, I would put the taxation, welfare state, tent cities, surging crime, education system, and shrugging their shoulders at thefts below $950, etc., etc. right along side it. Eventually, even the weather isn’t enough to keep you there.
Agree 100%. I've mentioned before, the street I have a place on in Flagstaff is almost all recent CA escapees; retired, couldn't WAIT to get the f'k out of CA and change their address to stop paying those taxes.

Nevada, Arizona, Utah, Colorado, Wyoming, Montana, even South Dakota are all seeing massive increases in people trying to get the hell out of CA. There is a move eastward to more tax friendly, less crime, less homeless, etc.

And Wally, for what you are talking about, that kind of thing will be attractive for ambitious people coming out of school for 5, 10, maybe 15 years or so before that shit gets super old and you're looking for a less stressful lifestyle and living situation.
 

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the street I have a place on in Flagstaff is almost all recent CA escapees; """""""retired""""""!!!!!!, couldn't WAIT to get the f'k out of CA and change their address to stop paying those taxes.

That's what I was saying....
 


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It was a shear random selection. Pulled square out of my ass, full disclosure. You get the idea, I think a lot of people would make the move. I grew up rurally in MN so I always think that I could go back easily but maybe not so easily. Shit, I just bought a house in BFE South Dakota largely for hunting and I'm looking at that more and more like, Damn, it would be nice and peaceful to be here!



As far as Wally's comment about companies adjusting salaries, I doubt that's happening very wide spread but it could be happening in isolated situations. Even if salaries were adjusted; leaving the hustle and bustle and traffic and crime and higher taxes and cost of living of MSP? For a lot of people that would be just what the doctor ordered, would gladly take a small decrease in exchange for an increase quality of life.
Gotcha, I definitely get that. I’ve got an 8 and 11 year old firmly planted in the schools and the community here, so it’s hard to think about uprooting that. The metro is a great place to raise a young family.
10 years from now will be a completely different story.
 

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This thread, for the most part, is what this particular board should have more of. Good stuff.
 

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This thread, for the most part, is what this particular board should have more of. Good stuff.
I'm not so sure on that. I haven't posted a lot in this thread.
 




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What do the states on each list mostly have in common?

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When it came to outbound moves, New Jersey (71%) topped the list for the fourth straight year.

Illinois (67%) ranked second on the outbound list. Illinois, New York (63%), Connecticut (60%), and California (59%) have all regularly appeared on the top of the outbound list.

Yes....... yes...... my evil plan is working! Soon the red states will be purple and, before you know it, they will be blue and I will conquer the world! Bwaa-haa-haa!
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Yes....... yes...... my evil plan is working! Soon the red states will be purple and, before you know it, they will be blue and I will conquer the world! Bwaa-haa-haa!
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This is such a funny mentality. Right leaning people are fleeing their progressive states due to terrible policies that degrade their quality of life. So now they are going to vote for these same progressive policies in a red state? That doesn't make any sense.
 

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This is such a funny mentality. Right leaning people are fleeing their progressive states due to terrible policies that degrade their quality of life. So now they are going to vote for these same progressive policies in a red state? That doesn't make any sense.
I hear this relatively flawed argument a fair amount too. Sure, some of the ones that are jumping ship might bring their politics with them but for the most part, either they were already conservative leaning folks (like several of my neighbors in AZ) or they may have been moderate Dems in CA and realize what a disaster that was there and that's why they left.
 



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This is such a funny mentality. Right leaning people are fleeing their progressive states due to terrible policies that degrade their quality of life. So now they are going to vote for these same progressive policies in a red state? That doesn't make any sense.
You haven't heard? The 'exodus' is all part of a Machiavellian plan to redistribute blue state voters more evenly across the country to infiltrate and overwhelm local conservative populations. Supposedly this plan was actually envisioned decades ago by the DNC but they were waiting for the right time to deploy it. Hilary Clinton launched this plan after the 2016 election.

The DNC and their 'marketing and ad companies' have developed all of the media that Chambers of Commerce and travel organizations now use across all of the red and purple states. They have secretly hidden code words designed to trigger what they call the 'migration response' from anyone programmed to receive them. When a programmed brother or sister reads these code words, they feel compelled to follow and will turn their backs on friends and family if need be and immediately move to a red state.

All of the major corporations headquartered in red and purple states are part of this insidious campaign. They immediately approve all job applications received from one of the brothers or sisters without delay. I was just researching a trip to Atlanta the other day. I applied for and accepted a job that same day with Walmart's corporate office in Bentonville, Arkansas. I don't really want to move but I suddenly couldn't resist the call of "The Land of Opportunity" state.

The Clintons made an arrangement decades ago with Sam Walton. Brothers and sisters are being placed at Walmart stores across the red and purple states in management and front line positions. But this isn't just a Walmart thing- ALL of the deep state corporations headquartered in the south have similar agreements throughout their entire structure- Coca Cola, Delta, Home Depot, Lowe's, Bank of America etc. They're all in on it and all have the advantage of offering executive and retail positions across the entire country so there is no demographic that they can't support.

Once they have arrived in their new homes, the brothers and sisters immediately begin to seek 'improvements' in their communities like libraries, better roads, new schools and other public services eventually leading to new taxes to pay for them. They organize park and beach clean-ups and other activities designed to slowly inculcate a spirit of environmentalism and 'togetherness' in the local population- with a target of the next generation of youth.

The end game, of course, is to tilt the elections in favor of the democratic socialists. Each ensuing election will bring about more and more radicalized ideas along with more new residents from MN, NY, NJ, CA, etc. who will vote and support these now 'mainstream' candidates. It is pure genius!

Or.....

Maybe people are just retiring to warmer climates? Or moving to be closer to family? We may never know... until its too late. :unsure:
 

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This is such a funny mentality. Right leaning people are fleeing their progressive states due to terrible policies that degrade their quality of life. So now they are going to vote for these same progressive policies in a red state? That doesn't make any sense.

Once the people get there these states will trend left. Nevada and Colorado are examples. Idaho and Montana next.

The only problem is the stagnant rust belt shifting right because they identify with Trumps grievance narrative.
 

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You haven't heard? The 'exodus' is all part of a Machiavellian plan to redistribute blue state voters more evenly across the country to infiltrate and overwhelm local conservative populations. Supposedly this plan was actually envisioned decades ago by the DNC but they were waiting for the right time to deploy it. Hilary Clinton launched this plan after the 2016 election.

The DNC and their 'marketing and ad companies' have developed all of the media that Chambers of Commerce and travel organizations now use across all of the red and purple states. They have secretly hidden code words designed to trigger what they call the 'migration response' from anyone programmed to receive them. When a programmed brother or sister reads these code words, they feel compelled to follow and will turn their backs on friends and family if need be and immediately move to a red state.

All of the major corporations headquartered in red and purple states are part of this insidious campaign. They immediately approve all job applications received from one of the brothers or sisters without delay. I was just researching a trip to Atlanta the other day. I applied for and accepted a job that same day with Walmart's corporate office in Bentonville, Arkansas. I don't really want to move but I suddenly couldn't resist the call of "The Land of Opportunity" state.

The Clintons made an arrangement decades ago with Sam Walton. Brothers and sisters are being placed at Walmart stores across the red and purple states in management and front line positions. But this isn't just a Walmart thing- ALL of the deep state corporations headquartered in the south have similar agreements throughout their entire structure- Coca Cola, Delta, Home Depot, Lowe's, Bank of America etc. They're all in on it and all have the advantage of offering executive and retail positions across the entire country so there is no demographic that they can't support.

Once they have arrived in their new homes, the brothers and sisters immediately begin to seek 'improvements' in their communities like libraries, better roads, new schools and other public services eventually leading to new taxes to pay for them. They organize park and beach clean-ups and other activities designed to slowly inculcate a spirit of environmentalism and 'togetherness' in the local population- with a target of the next generation of youth.

The end game, of course, is to tilt the elections in favor of the democratic socialists. Each ensuing election will bring about more and more radicalized ideas along with more new residents from MN, NY, NJ, CA, etc. who will vote and support these now 'mainstream' candidates. It is pure genius!

Or.....

Maybe people are just retiring to warmer climates? Or moving to be closer to family? We may never know... until its too late. :unsure:
Right. People aren’t leaving CA because of policy. It is the terrible weather.
 


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You haven't heard? The 'exodus' is all part of a Machiavellian plan to redistribute blue state voters more evenly across the country to infiltrate and overwhelm local conservative populations. Supposedly this plan was actually envisioned decades ago by the DNC but they were waiting for the right time to deploy it. Hilary Clinton launched this plan after the 2016 election.

The DNC and their 'marketing and ad companies' have developed all of the media that Chambers of Commerce and travel organizations now use across all of the red and purple states. They have secretly hidden code words designed to trigger what they call the 'migration response' from anyone programmed to receive them. When a programmed brother or sister reads these code words, they feel compelled to follow and will turn their backs on friends and family if need be and immediately move to a red state.

All of the major corporations headquartered in red and purple states are part of this insidious campaign. They immediately approve all job applications received from one of the brothers or sisters without delay. I was just researching a trip to Atlanta the other day. I applied for and accepted a job that same day with Walmart's corporate office in Bentonville, Arkansas. I don't really want to move but I suddenly couldn't resist the call of "The Land of Opportunity" state.

The Clintons made an arrangement decades ago with Sam Walton. Brothers and sisters are being placed at Walmart stores across the red and purple states in management and front line positions. But this isn't just a Walmart thing- ALL of the deep state corporations headquartered in the south have similar agreements throughout their entire structure- Coca Cola, Delta, Home Depot, Lowe's, Bank of America etc. They're all in on it and all have the advantage of offering executive and retail positions across the entire country so there is no demographic that they can't support.

Once they have arrived in their new homes, the brothers and sisters immediately begin to seek 'improvements' in their communities like libraries, better roads, new schools and other public services eventually leading to new taxes to pay for them. They organize park and beach clean-ups and other activities designed to slowly inculcate a spirit of environmentalism and 'togetherness' in the local population- with a target of the next generation of youth.

The end game, of course, is to tilt the elections in favor of the democratic socialists. Each ensuing election will bring about more and more radicalized ideas along with more new residents from MN, NY, NJ, CA, etc. who will vote and support these now 'mainstream' candidates. It is pure genius!

Or.....

Maybe people are just retiring to warmer climates? Or moving to be closer to family? We may never know... until its too late. :unsure:
That sounds like a lot of work when you can just flip on the Zuckerberg / Soros space lasers and change the vote totals instead.
 

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Right. People aren’t leaving CA because of policy. It is the terrible weather.

I would say overcrowding and unaffordability of houses are the number one reason
 

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I would say overcrowding and unaffordability of houses are the number one reason
That’s 2 reasons. Not surprised you’d have two sole reasons.
 


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Once the people get there these states will trend left. Nevada and Colorado are examples. Idaho and Montana next.
This happened in Colorado a long time ago, probably beginning 20 years ago or so or more. Not really that true for Nevada. Nevada is going to vote where the casino union employees vote, more so every year.

I wouldn't hold your breath for Idaho and/or Montana. Montana will see a shift, but I'd be shocked if it's enough to move the needle completely from red to blue. But there is absolutely a shitload of CA escapees heading east to Montana, among other destinations.
 

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That sounds like a lot of work when you can just flip on the Zuckerberg / Soros space lasers and change the vote totals instead.
Oh no! The DNC is playing the long game! We- er I mean they- aren't satisfied with one election. They want total world domination!!

I have seen so many conspiracy theories over the last 14 months that I had to add my own! It's really fun once you get started. I can see why several posters here seem to make a living at creating these stories filled with intrigue.
 

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Right. People aren’t leaving CA because of policy. It is the terrible weather.
Californians are moving due to catastrophic forest fires that have displaced them from their homes, historic drought that has parched the earth, and earthquakes that are overdue. They also leave the smog, overcrowding, and high cost of living. BUT the vast majority are moving back to their families or for jobs. They are not fleeing taxes. High tax NY, OR, and WA are among the top destinations for Californians moving out of state.
 

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Californians are moving due to catastrophic forest fires that have displaced them from their homes, historic drought that has parched the earth, and earthquakes that are overdue. They also leave the smog, overcrowding, and high cost of living. BUT the vast majority are moving back to their families or for jobs. They are not fleeing taxes. High tax NY, OR, and WA are among the top destinations for Californians moving out of state.
Sooo, evidence to this point suggests that you are smarter than what you wrote in the first sentence here. Really.

And the rest... so your argument is that they aren't leaving because of the shitty politics and policies, it's just all of the symptoms/effects of the shitty politics and policies that are causing the mass exodus. That's an interesting distinction....
 

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Californians are moving due to catastrophic forest fires that have displaced them from their homes, historic drought that has parched the earth, and earthquakes that are overdue. They also leave the smog, overcrowding, and high cost of living. BUT the vast majority are moving back to their families or for jobs. They are not fleeing taxes. High tax NY, OR, and WA are among the top destinations for Californians moving out of state.
NY? Arizona, Nevada and Texas are more likely destinations.

Catastrophic forest fires? Your monicker gives away your perspective.
 


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Whitey is leaving the areas that non whiteys live.
That’s interesting language. Certainly, the hispanic population has grown almost everywhere, California especially, but the proportion of the black population in California over the last 6 decades has remained virtually unchanged.
 

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Californians are moving due to catastrophic forest fires that have displaced them from their homes, historic drought that has parched the earth, and earthquakes that are overdue. They also leave the smog, overcrowding, and high cost of living. BUT the vast majority are moving back to their families or for jobs. They are not fleeing taxes. High tax NY, OR, and WA are among the top destinations for Californians moving out of state.
Link?
 





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